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vonFiedler said:
However, it is interesting that Celever AGREES with a mass claim but then comes up with excuses to get out of it. I've been smart enough to ignore 90% of his posts, but I hope others have been reading them, as he's pretty transparent when he's scummy. If I had the time, I'd give his old posts a once over to see what can be gleaned off of them. It's a suggestion at any rate.
Yeah this was actually a big reason why I worded my post as aggressively as I did: to see if people stood their ground on their opinions about the mass claim or caved in under the threat. I still think it would be helpful to mass claim but I can buy that it's not exactly
necessary at this point in time. A lot of that was in response to you and Odd Ghost still thinking I was scum when I am now obviously clean.
vonFiedler said:
Hey, woah, even I never called Spiffy a LARGE ADVOCATE of the Cancerous lynch. I just wanted him to talk about his reasons for lynching. He said he did it out of self-defense. Oh he was pretty belligerent and stifling when I was trying to generate discussion, that's a fact, but he was NEVER a LARGE ADVOCATE. I'm honestly surprised
Spiffy let that comment go. At this point Spiffy kinda seems like my dog. See my dog will bark and bark at nothing at all, but when there's an actual cat in the yard, she just never knows it's there.
Yeah I noticed how atrocious that argument was but I felt that it was so bad and no one really considered it that I didn't really even need to point it out. There was literally nothing to even defend against like that's how terrible it was. I agree that
Celever's vote history has been really weird.
For instance, he was so adamant and stubborn about lynching me Day 1 after I shot down each and every one of his arguments. But on Day 2 when he launches into similarly shitty tirades against HD and HD refutes them, he backs off pretty easily. It's very uncharacteristic of Celever to do this.
But I think Celever's biggest offense so far was his "defense" against von. Really the only thing he says is "von's exaggerating/lying to make me look bad!!" and to that I say
HOW IS THAT ANY NEWS TO YOU?
Throughout the game when von has made cases against me or Jalmont, he has resorted to several exaggerations and maybe some mistruths to get his point across. What I am wondering is
why does Celever only have a problem with it when they are used against him? From what I recall, Celever did not once criticize von for his exaggerations until he was under fire. This to me seems like Celever is only interested in his own safety and not the town as a whole.
Some other nitpicks:
- Not buying the whole "If I was scum you would be dead argument". You cite one of von's posts and say it's all WIFOM but one of your biggest arguments against him is WIFOM.
Celever said:
You'll see why I think differently about Spiffy today than I did yesterday tomorrow.
Please elaborate on this. Why do we have to wait until tomorrow to get your explanation?
Celever said:
#344 ~ According to von, this is where I post a "snide passive-aggressive remark" towards Spiffy wanting HD lynched. Do you see one?
Literally the first sentence.
Celever said:
He also says here that I "vowed to lynch someone on the Cancerous wagon" in this post.
This is almost exactly what you said minus the word "vowed".
Even a lot of the things you said he exaggerated aren't even exaggerations lol
tl;dr I know I said in literally my last post that I thought Celever was town but I feel like his recent exchange with von has revealed some scummy things about him that I think should be looked into.
All that being said however, I also agree with Jalmont that it's worrying that von literally hasn't said a thing about Celever until now, when it was clear that lynching me was not gonna fly. A lot of the points in von's case against Celever are also really trivial and in some cases irrelevant. But like I said this should really not be news to anyone given von's reputation. I'm kind of unsure about this debacle and would like input from everyone on this matter
Odd Ghost Mithril PokeguyNXB Fatecrashers.
And
Jalmont I think it's bad to fixate on the fact that von only just now mentioned Celever and just throw away his argument entirely. What do you think about some of the things I have said in this post regarding Celever?