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Research Scarlet & Violet Battle Mechanics Research
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Questions about Body Press: last generation, Body Press was only boosted by Defense stage boosts, not any other passive Defensive boost (Evolite or Fluffy for example). Is this true of a Defense Protosynthesis/Quark Drive boost and Snow boost as well? If the Defense Protosynthesis/Quark Drive boost does not apply, does the Attack Protosynthesis/Quark Drive boost increase damage (similar to Choice Band interaction)?
Does Pollen Puff increase Rage Fist's power when Annihilape takes it from its ally in Doubles?
this would imply that a move with no STAB has a multiplier of 0.
Protosynthesis + Body Press
Level 45 Great Tusk (149 Def) vs Level 56 Raichu (67 Def)
With Protosynthesis-boosted Def
30/135 (105)
26/135 (109)
39/135 (96)
38/135 (97)
(damage in brackets)
Level 45 Great Tusk (149 Def) calc:
Lvl 45 0+ Def Great Tusk Body Press vs. Lvl 56 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 93-109 (66.4 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (93, 93, 94, 96, 96, 97, 99, 100, 100, 102, 103, 105, 105, 106, 108, 109)
Level 45 Great Tusk (149 Def x 1.3) calc:
Lvl 45 0+ Def Great Tusk Body Press vs. Lvl 56 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 118-141 (84.2 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (118, 120, 121, 123, 124, 126, 127, 129, 130, 132, 133, 135, 136, 138, 139, 141)
Snow + Eviolite + Body Press
I think this one has already been proven that snow does not provide a boost to Body Press, but just to confirm:
Level 36 Cubchoo (39 Def) vs Level 32 Bombirdier (60 Def)
Cubchoo with Eviolite in Snow
70/87 (17)
69/87 (18)
69/87 (18)
70/87 (17)
(damage in brackets)
No Snow, No Eviolite calc:
Lvl 36 0 Def Cubchoo Body Press vs. Lvl 32 0 HP / 0 Def Bombirdier: 15-18 (15.6 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
Possible damage amounts: (15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 18)
Conclusion:
- Protosynthesis-boosted Def DOES NOT boost Body Press damage
- Snow does not boost Body Press damage
- Eviolite does not boost Body Press damage
UPDATE: Body Press is NOT boosted by Protosynthesis Def boost.
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Protosynthesis affecting Body Press when set to Defense is very abnormal, nothing else that invisibility boosts Defense like that works with Body Press.
Which implies that the Protosynthesis boost is applied directly to the Pokémon's Defense stat via an entirely separate process than how invisible boosts are normally done.
Does that mean the Attack boost from Protosynthesis doesn't affect Body Press then or do both? Does that mean if you use Foul Play on a Pokémon with Protosynthesis boosting its Attack that the user will also get the boost?
Ok so I went ahead and rechecked the calculations pertaining to Protosynthesis and Body Press, and realised I forgot to set the Raichu's Defense stat correctly (it was 31 IVs (83 Def) instead of 1 IV (67 Def)). I updated the calcs in the post above, but basically I was wrong about the Protosynthesis boosting Body Press damage.
For all those that can't be bothered reading,
Protosynthesis Def boost DOES NOT boost Body Press
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Well, when set to Defense anyway, it probably works if set for Attack.
You would be right.
Protosynthesis Atk boost
Level 45 Great Tusk (136 Def) vs Level 55 Raichu (82 Def)
1.3x Def
Possible damage amounts: (90, 91, 91, 93, 94, 94, 96, 97, 99, 99, 100, 102, 102, 103, 105, 106)
Test Results:
29/131 (102)
37/131 (94)
31/131 (100)
1x Def
Possible damage amounts: (69, 70, 70, 72, 72, 73, 75, 75, 76, 76, 78, 78, 79, 79, 81, 82)
I suppose it works similarly to the Choice Band boost to attacks.
Level 74 Roaring Moon (308 Atk, 133 Def) vs Level 51 Houndoom
Foul Play w Protosynthesis Atk boost
266 to 194 (72)
254 to 157 (97) probably crit while I wasn't paying attention
217 to 153 (64)
273 to 209 (64)
251 to 187 (64)
Foul Play w/o Protosynthesis Atk boost
231 to 168 (63)
228 to 166 (62)
226 to 158 (68)
178 to 106 (72)
166 to 103 (63)
103 to 37 (66)
157 to 90 (67)
Normal damage
Lvl 51 252+ Atk Houndoom Foul Play vs. Lvl 74 0 HP / 0 Def Roaring Moon: 62-73 (23.6 - 27.8%) -- 88.8% chance to 4HKO
Possible damage amounts: (62, 63, 63, 64, 65, 66, 66, 67, 68, 69, 69, 70, 71, 72, 72, 73)
Yeah, Protosynthesis-boosted Atk does not affect Foul Play Damage
Can Megaton Hammer be called twice in a row with moves such as Sleep Talk, Copycat, or Metronome?
Are any of the new moves uncallable by those?
How does Tablets of Ruin interact with Foul Play?
Can we use this to push the limits of Last Respects?
Are any of the new moves uncallable by those?
How does Tablets of Ruin interact with Foul Play?
You should be able to get significantly more than 9 by calling Revival Blessing through moves such as Sleep Talk, Metronome, or Copycat, using Fling Leppa Berry strats, or using in game battle items like Revives and Ethers
Can we use this to push the limits of Last Respects?
With regards to other parts of your post,
There should be flags which decide whether a move is callable or uncallable. Hematite's move spreadsheet
9 fainted allies is already stretching the feasibility of the scenario, but you could definitely have more than 9 fainted allies. Also, from what I tested, there doesn't seem to be a hard cap to the BP increase for Last Respects.
Bumping this question.
Raging Bull is not affected by Terastal. I tested Tera Poison Raging Bull with Water Tauros and it shows the Water-type animation, and it's 1x on Gastly.
And I think its move description is self-explanatory.
Can confirm this as well, at least for the Tera interaction.
Also tested Tera with Revelation Dance, Revelation Dance does change to the new type since it's supposed to take the primary type of the Pokemon.
Level 60 Wo-Chien vs Level 53 Dondozo (114 Atk, 139 Def)
Lvl 60 0 Atk Wo-Chien Foul Play vs. Lvl 53 0 HP / 0 Def Dondozo: 52-63 (21.8 - 26.4%) -- 9.1% chance to 4HKO
Possible damage amounts: (52, 54, 54, 54, 55, 55, 57, 57, 58, 58, 58, 60, 60, 61, 61, 63)
174/226 (52)
169/226 (57)
168/226 (58)
169/226 (57)
Possible damage amounts: (52, 54, 54, 54, 55, 55, 57, 57, 58, 58, 58, 60, 60, 61, 61, 63)
174/226 (52)
169/226 (57)
168/226 (58)
169/226 (57)
Lvl 60 0- Atk Wo-Chien Foul Play vs. Lvl 54 0 HP / 0 Def Tatsugiri: 52-63 (33.7 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Possible damage amounts: (52, 54, 54, 54, 55, 55, 57, 57, 58, 58, 58, 60, 60, 61, 61, 63)
91/143 (52)
86/143 (57)
82/143 (61)
85/143 (58)
Possible damage amounts: (52, 54, 54, 54, 55, 55, 57, 57, 58, 58, 58, 60, 60, 61, 61, 63)
91/143 (52)
86/143 (57)
82/143 (61)
85/143 (58)
Level 51 Houndoom vs Level 60 Wo-Chien (114 Atk, 128 Def)
Lvl 51 0 Atk Houndoom Foul Play vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0- Def Wo-Chien: 24-29 (12.6 - 15.2%) -- possible 7HKO
Possible damage amounts: (24, 24, 24, 25, 25, 26, 26, 26, 27, 27, 27, 27, 27, 28, 28, 29)
Possible damage amounts: (24, 24, 24, 25, 25, 26, 26, 26, 27, 27, 27, 27, 27, 28, 28, 29)
Lvl 51 0 Atk Houndoom Foul Play vs. Lvl 60 0 HP / 0- Def Wo-Chien: 18-21 (9.4 - 11%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Possible damage amounts: (18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 21, 21)
Possible damage amounts: (18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 21, 21)
190 to 169 (21)
169 to 148 (21)
168 to 147 (21)
183 to 165 (18)
167 to 149 (18)
Burned Wo-Chien
160 to 141 (19)
157 to 138 (19)
164 to 144 (20)
133 to 114 (19)
FYI: burnt target does not affect foul play damage received, but burnt attacker will have their damage reduced
169 to 148 (21)
168 to 147 (21)
183 to 165 (18)
167 to 149 (18)
Burned Wo-Chien
160 to 141 (19)
157 to 138 (19)
164 to 144 (20)
133 to 114 (19)
FYI: burnt target does not affect foul play damage received, but burnt attacker will have their damage reduced
- Target affected by Tablets of Ruin (ToR), Foul Play damage is unaffected.
- Target affected by ToR, has unaware, Foul Play damage is unaffected.
- Attacker affected by ToR, Foul Play damage is affected (reduced by 25%)
How do the -ate abilities interact with Terastallization? (I'll use Pixilate/Sylveon for simplicity)
I'm pretty sure the first bullet is a dumb question, since Normal moves get changed to Fairy as usual in Terastallization.
The UI does not highlight Normal moves on a Sylveon Terastallized to Fairy, so it seems to be indicating that Fairy Tera Type does not grant Pixilated Normal moves 2x STAB.
- Does a Normal move receive the Pixilate boost in Terastallization?
- Can a Pixilate Sylveon receive 2x STAB on Normal moves when Terastallized to either Normal or Fairy?
- If the above does not happen, does a Normal-type with Pixilate (via Skill Swap) receive 2x STAB when Terastallized to Normal?
I'm pretty sure the first bullet is a dumb question, since Normal moves get changed to Fairy as usual in Terastallization.
The UI does not highlight Normal moves on a Sylveon Terastallized to Fairy, so it seems to be indicating that Fairy Tera Type does not grant Pixilated Normal moves 2x STAB.
Pretty sure the normal moves not getting highlighted is just the UI not taking abilities into account.
Do Covert Cloak/Shield Dust/Substitute prevent Ceaseless Edge from setting spikes? (They currently do on PS.) It seems worth testing since as far as I know, we haven’t had a move where they secondary effect affects the opponent’s side of the field instead of directly affecting the opponent.
Tested it and they don't, as it's not a secondary effect at all really. It just always set a layer of spikes on to the opposing side, even if attacking one's teammate.
Also tested this and nothing has changed.
Tested some Greninja and Battle Bond stuff as well: the stat boosts is a once per battle thing, the ability still can't be Skill Swapped, and Water Shuriken doesn't transform to the 3-hit 20 BP variant anymore.
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My fire-tera Sylveon still regularly casts Hyper Voice as fairy attack when Terastalyzed, so safe to assume they still do.
(As I noted elsewhere there's also the interesting case of Tera Blast being Fairy pre-tera, but becoming Fire type correctly after Tera)
I remembered that there's an extra animation flourish when the move type matches the Tera type, and that does play for Fairy Tera type Sylveon. So aside from actually checking damage numbers, it seems that Pixilate Sylveon Terastallized to Fairy does receive 2x STAB on Normal moves.
To add to this, in raids once the raid uses the "negate ability pulse", Hyper Voice goes back to be a normal move (and supereffective tag disappears if applicable otherwise), to further show how the ability is still fully in effect despite Teralyzing.
This might be a weird question, but following on the Curse with Type-Change interaction before, does the opposite happen if you LOSE your Ghost Typing before it executes? Like if I click Ghost-Curse with Banette, but then change to a Water Type because of Soak, will he apply the Curse Boost to himself, or to whoever was targeted by the Ghost version?
Also, given the weird interactions Body Press has with "invisible" Defense Boosts, has it been documented how moves like Gyro Ball or Psyshock interact as well with them? Like is Psyshock reduced in damage by "invisible" DEF boosts, or does it look at SpD for that as a Special move despite its mechanic?