OU/UU hybrid: A team of my favorite pokemon

moussrfacekilla

Team at a glance for you speed browsers:

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My basic idea for this team was a team build around some of my favorite pokemon, that still could do well in a competative setting. I like keeping my opponent shuffling so I tried to incorporate that as much as possible with 3 pokemon with u-turn. I also tried to account for weaknesses and resistances to balance my team as much as possible. I ended up with 3 fire weaknesses, but I added rain dance to null some of the dmg and 2 strong fire killers. Ice is another problem but I have 2 electric attacks and 2 fighting moves (1 STAB).

My top 15 pokemon include:
Gliscor, Alakazam, Houndoom, Skarmory, Scizor, Nidoking, Gengar, Forretress, Umbreon, Gengar, Aerodactyl Heracross, Kingdra, Breloom and Kangaskhan

I chose the pokemon below for synergy. The idea of it is if I get confronted with a counter I u-turn to another counter. I have 3 pokemon weak to fire, but 2 extremely resistant counter parts. I use rain danc eto weak fire/boost thunder and water dmg since I have no fire pokemon this works quite well. in addition, using rain dance locks out other weather changers unless they want to take the time to switch out and take some stealth rock dmg.

Here is my team as it stands AFTER FINAL EDITS:



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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 216 speed/252 HP/40 def
Nature: Jolly
- Earthquake
- U-Turn
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt <-----------------EDIT I changed from roost to taunt and lock down stalling

My lead. Open with stealth rock then either stay out and EQ soemthing weak to it, or u-turn to a counter. Jolly nature for speed, and taunt to lock out stallers. A very strong lead that drops one of my hazards while preventing my opponents.






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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs:252 Spe/252 HP/8 SpA
Nature: Timid
- Wish
- Iron head
- Thunder
- U-Turn

A great wish supporter. I have wish to provide an easily u-turned heal for most of my pokemon that cannot heal themselves. Thunder+Iron Head+Serene Grace = HUGE chance of paralysis and flinching and nice dmg to water/flying pokemon. Good type coverage only being weak to fire and ground which a good deal of my pokemon are resistant to.

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Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 152 SpA/208 speed/100 Atk
Nature: Naive/Jolly/Quiet
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Flamethrower

I expect my opponent to "Oh snap another scarf-tar. Let me get my scizor". BLAMO flamethrowered. I am now free to sweep your team with stone edge/EQ/crunch. I came up with this when I noticed my team had no way to super effectively hit grass or bug, and I didn't havea counter for pesky Scizors. So why not counter a counter? 4 of my pokemon resist sandstorm (2 benefit from it).


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Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SPA/252speed/8 HP
Nature: Timid/Modest
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt/Substitute
- Explosion/Pain Split

My spin blocker, and special sweeper extraordinaire! I plan to u-turn or hard switch to him when a pokemon comes out to rapid spin my stealth rock/spikes and either sweep them with shadow ball (super effective on starmie), or focus blast (super effective on normals). If he gets low I won't even try to keep him around, and explode for an easy kill. I'm torn between the sub/split set for wall breaking or all out offense.


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Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 attack/8 speed/248 HP (EDIT:tnx Alan)
Nature: Adamant
- U-Turn
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Superpower

I have and always will have a special place in my heart for this bug. He has 10 stinkin resistances, has a great move pool, cool abilities, and fearsome sweeping ability. In addition, he has awesome scouting ability through u-turn. I basically bullet punch (90 power with STAB, and technician) when needed for some awesome first turn dmg. I use pursuit on running psychic/ghost pokemon and STAB u-turn any fire pokemon to a counter like Gliscor or Kingdra. Superpower is there to explode normal pokemon walls, dragon dancers, and ice pokemon.

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Kingdra @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk/240 SpA/16 Spe
Nature: Naughty
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- Draco Meteor

I added this guy to cover my weakness to fire, and dragon sweepers. He is only weak to dragon type, and has a great deal of resistances. I use rain dance to increase his speed, increases water dmg and lowers fire type effectiveness. It also has good synergy with Jirachi to increase his Waterfall dmg or for a swap to him when a dragon comes out to try and beat Kingdra. I have the ability to mix sweep depending on my opponent. I can't decide on a final move set though, and I'm not sure whether to use a damp rock or life orb. I have ice beam for dragons/fliers/grass.
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A Typical Battle would go like such:

-open with Gliscor and either taunt another set up, or stealth rock. If the opponent is weak to earthquake I stay and attack, if not u-turn to another pokemon....
if they arn't fire/ground u-turn to Jirachi
if they are ice/water u-turn first to gengar.
-Jirachi then Rain Dance's and if there is time wishes then u-turns to a sweeper of the appropriate type (usually Kingdra).
-alternating u-turns/forced switches on stealth rock/sweeper dmg I attempt to wear down my opponent then sweep with either a special attack aimed at special defense (Gengar), physical attack aimed at physical defense (Breloom), or a Physical/Special attack (Kingdra). Gliscor/Jirachi are for clean up/support. Scizor is my revenge killer.
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REPLACED TEAM MEMBERS:

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Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/100 special defense/158 special attack
Nature: Calm
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Thunder Wave
- Roost

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Houndoom @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Special attack/252 speed/4 HP
Nature: Timid
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Dark Pulse
- Will-o-wisp

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Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Posion Heal
EVs: 252 attack/208 speed/48 HP
Nature: Adamant
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Stone Edge
- Seed Bomb

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Empoleon @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Torrent
EVs:252 SpA/152 Def/100 Spe
Nature: Modest
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Surf
- Roar/Toxic

I would greatly appreciate any advice yo guys might have. This is my first post on this site, and I have been playing pokemon since I was about 11 haha. I really would like to include spikes somehow. Also, I really really like the idea of using pokemon I like in addition to having pokemon that are good. So if a pokemon would really compliment my team, but I don't like it I might still be willing to use it.

cheers and thanks for your advice in advance.

Mousse
 
Gliscor would be much better off with Taunt over U-Turn. If you can prevent Stealth Rock getting up and then set it up yourself you are left with a massive head start (especially if they don't attack).

Swampert's choice band must be a mistake. But I wouldn't use a mixpert on this team, I think you'd be much better off with a Cursepert. This gives you excellent defenses as well as powered up attacks with good coverage coming from Swamperts higher attack stat.

Houndoom's choice band must be another mistake. Life Orb is probably the better choice though leftovers is a good alternative (it is generally a toss-up between them on set-up sweepers).

Also, if you take swampert out of the team it all starts to fall apart, as soon as it dies Gyrados, Heatran, Mence run all over this team (unless of course they are asleep). To remedy this I would choose to have Rest (maybe a Chesto Berry) on Swampert for whatever moveset you choose.
 
I'm not the best rater, but these are some things I think could be improved.

Why do you have NP and Choice Band on Houndoom? Choice Band limits you to one move, and only raises your attack. Life Orb or Expert belt if you dislike the HP decrease would be better. Same thing with Swampert. Give him leftovers.

You have 2 SR weaknesses and no RSers. You could replace one of your Pokemon with Tentacruel. That way, you can set up Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin. Plus, it can handle Gyarados with HP Electric. Additionaly, Heatran and NP Mixape will have a much harder time of sweeping you. You may lose an Electric immunity, but Gliscor's got you covered.

This is the set:

Tentacruel: Leftovers/Black Sludge
Calm: Liquid Ooze
252 HP/ 120 Defense/ 136 Speed

Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes
Sludge Bomb/HP Electric
Surf

It's fairly standard and straightforward, but it may help you out more.

That's all I've got for now. I hope it helped. :)
 
Looking at your list, a good pokemon to use for the Spikes, Toxic Spikes and as a Rapid Spinner, would be Forretress, however, upon seeing what Kalinnikov said, Tentacruel seems like a better choice, as it can do all that Forretress can do, and more.

I'd place him over Houndoom, and then you'll have just about everything - Gliscor for Stealth Rock, Tentacruel for Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin and a Bulky Water, and Swampert for another Bulky Water and Phazing with Roar.

Though, now since I see that you may be attached to Houndoom, you may be able to get away with switching Swampert with Tentacruel instead of Houndoom, and giving Houndoom Roar instead.
 
If he needs a bulky water, and loves resistances, why not try Empoleon? He's got, what, 12? and 2 weaknesses? and can phaze with Roar. He's pretty good. Although 'Cruel seems to be more fitting in his team.

If you want a Special Sweeper, why don't you use Porygon Z? Your Description of Houndoom is a paradox. You can't Nasty Plot + Dark Pulse with a choice item, and the band should be specs ;]. Porygon Z's got a max whopping 405 SpA. And he's decently fast, with recovery moves, and Tri Attack, with STAB going from 1.5 to 2.0, and Life orb for 2.5x damage. He can also learn Dark Pulse, or whip on the HP fighting and have perfect coverage, giving everything at least 1.0x damage. Your choice between more type coverage or living longer.
 
sce4 said:
Gliscor would be much better off with Taunt over U-Turn. If you can prevent Stealth Rock getting up and then set it up yourself you are left with a massive head start (especially if they don't attack).

Swampert's choice band must be a mistake. But I wouldn't use a mixpert on this team, I think you'd be much better off with a Cursepert. This gives you excellent defenses as well as powered up attacks with good coverage coming from Swamperts higher attack stat.

Houndoom's choice band must be another mistake. Life Orb is probably the better choice though leftovers is a good alternative (it is generally a toss-up between them on set-up sweepers).

Also, if you take swampert out of the team it all starts to fall apart, as soon as it dies Gyrados, Heatran, Mence run all over this team (unless of course they are asleep). To remedy this I would choose to have Rest (maybe a Chesto Berry) on Swampert for whatever moveset you choose.
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awesome advice thank you! I'll look into changing swampert
 
@ everyone

ya I copied something from a word document so I might have put choice band where its not needed.

also I'll look into Tentacruel!

keep the comments coming I appreciate it!
 
Porygon2 can be very effective against DD Mence and Gyarados but Porygon2 absolutely hates being Draco Meteored to the face by MixMence.

I would recommend Cresselia. It can switch into Draco Meteors without problems, can take Outrages and Waterfalls after a DD and kills them both off with Ice Beam and Charge Beam. You could replace Togekiss with it.
 
Whats the difference between Porygon 2 and Porygon-Z?

Also would a sleep talk swampert be a good substitute instead of the cursepert?

EDIT: never mind its a defense issue I see!
 
@ comments

the main pokemon I want to center my team around are: scizor, houndoom, gliscor and breloom.

a flying type would be nice and something to counter common sweepers.
based on what you all have posted my best options for the last 2 are:
tentacruel
porygon2
empoleon
cresselia
or cursepert

any other suggestions?
 
moussrfacekilla said:
Whats the difference between Porygon 2 and Porygon-Z?

Also would a sleep talk swampert be a good substitute instead of the cursepert?

EDIT: never mind its a defense issue I see!
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Actually, even moreso than defenses, it's an ability issue. Porygon 2 has the incredibly useful Trace, which allows him to copy Salamence and Gyarados' Intimidates, Heatran's Flash Fire, Vaporeon's water absorb, etc. That's why Porygon 2 is an effective switch against a large number of threats.
 
If you are going to stack spikes, or in this case toxic spikes, you need a spin blocker of some kind. So you're going to want to put that in there somewhere.

I think you messed up Scizor's EVs, it should be 248 HP, 8 Spe. Houndoom, despite being your favorite is pretty terrible in OU. Its walled entirely by Heatran, who can do a number on your team with some simple prediction which any skilled player would have. Swords Dance or Nasty Plot Infernape, the former being less common can set up on it very easily.

Don't use Sludge Bomb on Tenta, its not very effective/doesn't hit a majority of the common metagame so its a wasted moveslot.

Other than it looks pretty good I guess, although I'm not a fan of Togekiss but thats just me.
 
So most of you have made comments about moves/EVs that I have....what about type coverage in OU? Are there any common threats I don't have a counter for that you can see?
 
you have a mixape weakness, destroying everything excpet for tentacruel. running CC, Grass Knot, HP Ice, Fire Blast can go throught this team.
scarft-tar can also do damage with stone edge on scizor (OHKO, but you can out run with bullet punch, still if you're locked into the worng move...), togekiss and houndoom.
lastly rain dance kinggdra running ice beam, surf/hyrdopump, draco metero/dragon pulse can do damage to houndoom, togekiss, gliscor and breloom. the others wouldn't enjoy taking surf or draco meteor
 
scarloc said:
you have a mixape weakness, destroying everything excpet for tentacruel. running CC, Grass Knot, HP Ice, Fire Blast can go throught this team.
scarft-tar can also do damage with stone edge on scizor (OHKO, but you can out run with bullet punch, still if you're locked into the worng move...), togekiss and houndoom.
lastly rain dance kinggdra running ice beam, surf/hyrdopump, draco metero/dragon pulse can do damage to houndoom, togekiss, gliscor and breloom. the others wouldn't enjoy taking surf or draco meteor
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thanks for the input! Just a few questions:

-isn't mixape weak to Gliscor (EQ), and Togekiss (Air Slash)?
-can't scarf-tar be countered with Tentacruel (surf), Togekiss (Aura Sphere), Breloom (Focus punch or seed bomb)?
- I agree with the kingdra weakness. Any suggestions? Should I remove someone from my party to counter it? Or just add one to my team for rain dance to weaken fire, ice beam for other dragons, and dragon move for killing another kingdra?
 
as for the questions.
-mixape is weak to gliscor but HP Ice has quad effectivness(flying and ground) meaning it'ss probably be outsped and out killed
-yh it can be countered by tentacruel, but it will only KO scizor, togekiss and houndoom, nothing else. it can out speed kiss and kill with stone edge. however tyranihboah can also deal decent damage but it's sweep stop at brellom and tentacruel.
- few pokes can comfortably kill kingdra due to his speed in rain. you best bet is something like ludicolo. he has decent synergy with houndoom and can take most attacks. alternativley, jirachi can also work fine and works as your flinch and wish support in place of togekiss. so your best bet would be jirachi. i can trade you one if you want one (pm me):) hope i helped
ps you don't need adamant on tentacruel. try modest or something
 
FINAL, FINAL EDITS:

replaced Tentacruel with Jirachi for the following reasons:

-rain dance support to weaken fire, power up Kingdra, and eliminate sandstorm
- wish support
- awesome thunder strikes
- good type resistance
-another fun u-turner to stick with the team's new unofficial name "U-Turn Your DS Off" haha
 
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