Project OM Mashup Megathread

LC Mix and Mega Mashups
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Ipika and adpg.alt for helping a barely sane person with this
:ss/Staryu:What is National Dex LC Mix and Mega?:ss/Staryu:
Nat Dex LC Mix and Mega is a mashup of National Dex, Little Cup, and Mix and Mega. In this metagame, players may only use Pokémon that have not yet evolved, are capable of evolution, and are obtainable at level 5 in-game. These Pokémon can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions.

Ruleset and Banlist:
Species Clause: A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokedex number on a team.
OHKO Clause: A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Evasion Clause: A Pokemon may not have either Double Team or Minimize in its moveset.
Sleep Clause: If a player has already put a Pokemon on his/her opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, another one can't be put to sleep.
Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Mega Stone Clause: A limit of one of each Mega Stone may be used.
Terastal Clause: Prevents Pokemon from Terastallizing.
These Pokemon are banned:
  • :basculin: Basculin-White-Striped
  • :corsola-galar: Corsola-Galar
  • :dunsparce: Dunsparce
  • :duraludon: Duraludon
  • :meditite: Meditite
  • :rufflet:Rufflet
  • :sneasel: Sneasel
  • :sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
  • :stantler: Stantler
These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:

  • :aipom: Aipom
  • :archen: Archen
  • :buizel: Buizel
  • :buneary: Buneary
  • :carvanha: Carvanha
  • :dratini: Dratini
  • :gligar: Gligar
  • :elekid: Elekid
  • :gastly: Gastly
  • :girafarig: Girafarig
  • :mienfoo: Mienfoo
  • :murkrow: Murkrow
  • :pawniard: Pawniard
  • :ponyta: Ponyta
  • :scyther: Scyther
  • :voltorb-hisui: Voltorb-Hisui
  • :qwilfish-hisui: Qwilfish-Hisui
  • :yanma: Yanma
  • Beedrillite
  • Blazikenite
  • Gengarite
  • Kangaskhanite
  • Lucarionite
  • Mawilite
  • Medichamite
  • Pidgeotite
  • Eevium Z
Moves:
Baton Pass

Abilities:
Moody
Resources:
/challenge [Gen 9] Mix and Mega @@@ Little Cup, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, !!Minsourcegen=1, +past, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Red Orb, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Meditite, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Stantler, -Corsola, -Lucarionite, -Eevium Z, *Aipom, *Archen,, *Buizel, *Buneary, *Carvanha, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Girafarig, *Gligar, *Mienfoo, *Murkrow, *Pawniard, *Ponyta-Base, *Scyther, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Yanma
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:sv/Gligar:What is LC Stab and Mega?:sv/Gligar:
LC Stab and Mega is a mashup of Little Cup, Stabmons, and Mix and Mega. In this metagame, players may only use Pokémon that have not yet evolved, are capable of evolution, and are obtainable at level 5 in-game. These Pokémon can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions and gain access to any moves of their typing, in a Little Cup format.

Ruleset and Banlist:
Species Clause: A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokedex number on a team.
OHKO Clause: A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Evasion Clause: A Pokemon may not have either Double Team or Minimize in its moveset.
Sleep Clause: If a player has already put a Pokemon on his/her opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, another one can't be put to sleep.
Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Mega Stone Clause: A limit of one of each Mega Stone may be used.
Terastal Clause: Prevents Pokemon from Terastallizing.
These Pokemon are banned:
  • :basculin: Basculin-White-Striped
  • :dunsparce: Dunsparce
  • :duraludon: Duraludon
  • :meditite: Meditite
  • :rufflet:Rufflet
  • :scyther:Scyther
  • :sneasel: Sneasel
  • :sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
  • :stantler: Stantler
These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:
  • :aipom: Aipom
  • :dratini: Dratini
  • :gligar: Gligar
  • :elekid: Elekid
  • :gastly: Gastly
  • :girafarig: Girafarig
  • :misdreavus: Misdreavus
  • :murkrow: Murkrow
  • :pawniard: Pawniard
  • :voltorb-hisui: Voltorb-Hisui
  • :qwilfish-hisui: Qwilfish-Hisui
  • :yanma: Yanma
  • Beedrillite
  • Blazikenite
  • Gengarite
  • Lucarionite
  • Mawilite
  • Medichamite
  • Pidgeotite
  • Eevium Z
  • Acupressure
  • Astral Barrage
  • Belly Drum
  • Extreme Speed
  • Fillet Away
  • Gigaton Hammer
  • Last Respects
  • No Retreat
  • Population Bomb
  • Revival Blessing
  • Shed Tail
  • Shell Smash
  • Shift Gear
  • Spore
  • Surging Strikes
  • Tail Glow
  • V-Create
  • Victory Dance
  • Wicked Blow
Moves:
Baton Pass
Sticky Web

Abilities:
Moody
Resources:
/challenge [Gen 9] Mix and Mega @@@ !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Red Orb, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, *Gastly, *Girafarig, -Meditite, *Pawniard, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Stantler, -Lucarionite, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gligar, *Misdreavus, *Murkrow, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Yanma, Little Cup, STABmons Move Legality, *Acupressure, *Astral Barrage, *Belly Drum, *Boomburst, *Dark Void, *Extreme Speed, *Fillet Away, *Gigaton Hammer, *Hypnosis, *Last Respects, *No Retreat, *Population Bomb, *Revival Blessing, *Shed Tail, *Shell Smash, *Shift Gear, *Sing, *Sleep Powder, *Spore, *Surging Strikes, *Tail Glow, *V-Create, *Victory Dance, *Wicked Blow
/tour new [Gen 9] Mix and Mega, elim,,, [Gen 9] Little Cup STAB and Mega /tour rules !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Red Orb, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, *Gastly, *Girafarig, -Meditite, *Pawniard, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Stantler, -Lucarionite, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gligar, *Misdreavus, *Murkrow, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Yanma, Little Cup, STABmons Move Legality, *Acupressure, *Astral Barrage, *Belly Drum, *Boomburst, *Extreme Speed, *Fillet Away, *Gigaton Hammer, *Last Respects, *No Retreat, *Population Bomb, *Revival Blessing, *Shed Tail, *Shell Smash, *Shift Gear, *Spore, *Surging Strikes, *Tail Glow, *V-Create, *Victory Dance, *Wicked Blow
/tour autostart 9
/tour autodq 7
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:sv/meowth-alola:What is LC Mix and Mega UU?:sv/meowth-alola:
LC Mix and Mega is a mashup of Little Cup and Mix and Mega. In this metagame, players may only use Pokémon that have not yet evolved, are capable of evolution, are obtainable at level 5 in-game, and ranked B- or lower on the LC MnM Viability Rankings. These Pokémon can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions.

Ruleset and Banlist:
Species Clause: A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokedex number on a team.
OHKO Clause: A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Evasion Clause: A Pokemon may not have either Double Team or Minimize in its moveset.
Sleep Clause: If a player has already put a Pokemon on his/her opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, another one can't be put to sleep.
Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Mega Stone Clause: A limit of one of each Mega Stone may be used.
Terastal Clause: Prevents Pokemon from Terastallizing.
These Pokemon are banned:
  • Ubers:
    • :basculin: Basculin-White-Striped
    • :dunsparce: Dunsparce
    • :duraludon: Duraludon
    • :meditite: Meditite
    • :rufflet:Rufflet
    • :scyther: Scyther
    • :sneasel: Sneasel
    • :sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
    • :stantler: Stantler
  • OU by Viability:
    • :arrokuda:Arrokuda
    • :chinchou:Chinchou
    • :cutiefly: Cutiefly
    • :diglett:Diglett
    • :diglett-alola: Diglett-Alola
    • :foongus:Foongus
    • :gligar:Gligar
    • :glimmet: Glimmet
    • :grookey: Grookey
    • :Growlithe-hisui: Growlithe-Hisui
    • :Koffing: Koffing
    • :magby: Magby
    • :mankey:Mankey
    • :mareanie: Mareanie
    • :mienfoo:Mienfoo
    • :misdreavus: Misdreavus
    • :mudbray: Mudbray
    • :Murkrow: Murkrow
    • :qwilfish-hisui:Qwilfish-Hisui
    • :sandshrew-alola:Sandshrew-Alola
    • :scraggy: Scraggy
    • :shellder:Shellder
    • :shellos: Shellos
    • :stunky:Stunky
    • :voltorb: Voltorb
    • :vullaby:Vullaby
    • :wingull:Wingull
  • UUBL:
    • None yet.
These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:
  • :aipom: Aipom
  • :buizel: Buizel
  • :dratini: Dratini
  • :elekid: Elekid
  • :gastly: Gastly
  • :girafarig: Girafarig
  • :misdreavus: Misdreavus
  • :pawniard: Pawniard
  • :voltorb-hisui: Voltorb-Hisui
  • :yanma: Yanma
  • Beedrillite
  • Blazikenite
  • Gengarite
  • Kangaskhanite
  • Lucarionite
  • Mawilite
  • Medichamite
  • Pidgeotite
Moves:
Baton Pass
Sticky Web

Abilities:
Moody
Resources:
/challenge [Gen 9] Mix and Mega @@@ Little Cup, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Meditite, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Stantler, -Lucarionite, +Red Orb, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Buizel, *Cutiefly, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Gligar, *Mienfoo, *Misdreavus, *Murkrow, *Pawniard, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Wattrel, *Yanma, -Sandshrew-Alola, -Chinchou, -Stunky, -Arrokuda, -Gligar, -Mienfoo, -Vullaby, -Diglett-Base, -Foongus, -Larvesta, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Mankey, -Shellder, -Wingull, -Cutiefly, -Diglett-Alola, -Glimmet, -Grookey, -Growlithe-Hisui, -Koffing, -Magby, -Mareanie, -Misdreavus, -Mudbray, -Murkrow, -Scraggy, -Shellos, -Voltorb-Base
/tour new [Gen 9] Mix and Mega,Elimination,,, [Gen 9] LC MnM UU/tour rules Little Cup, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, *Aipom, *Blitzle, *Buizel, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Glimmet, *Pawniard, *Voltorb-Hisui, -Arrokuda, -Basculin, -Chinchou, -Cutiefly, -Diglett-Alola, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Foongus, -Gligar, -Growlithe-Hisui, -Larvesta, -Lucarionite, -Mankey, -Meditite -Mienfoo, -Misdreavus, -Murkrow, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Rufflet, -Sandshrew-Alola, -Scyther, -Shellder, -Sneasel, -Stantler, -Sticky Web, -Stunky, -Voltorb-Base, -Vullaby, -Wattrel, -Wingull, +Arena Trap, +Red Orb, +Rusted Sword, +Shadow Tag
/tour autostart 9
/tour autodq 7
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  • :gastly: Gastly

:Rebble:What is CAP LC Mix and Mega?:Rebble:
CAP LC Mix and Mega A is a mashup of CAP, Little Cup, and Mix and Mega. In this metagame, players may only use Pokémon that have not yet evolved, are capable of evolution, and are obtainable at level 5 in-game, including qualifying Create-A-Pokemon creations. These Pokémon can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions. Unlike CAP LC Mix and Mega UU Kinda, this format is based on the base LC Mix and Mega format, while CAP LC Mix and Mega UU Kinda is based on LC Mix and Mega UU.

Ruleset and Banlist:
Species Clause: A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokedex number on a team.
OHKO Clause: A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Evasion Clause: A Pokemon may not have either Double Team or Minimize in its moveset.
Sleep Clause: If a player has already put a Pokemon on his/her opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, another one can't be put to sleep.
Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Mega Stone Clause: A limit of one of each Mega Stone may be used.
Terastal Clause: Prevents Pokemon from Terastallizing.
These Pokemon are banned:
  • :basculin: Basculin-White-Striped
  • :dunsparce: Dunsparce
  • :duraludon: Duraludon
  • :meditite: Meditite
  • :rufflet: Rufflet
  • :scyther: Scyther
  • :sneasel: Sneasel
  • :sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
  • :stantler: Stantler
These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:

  • :aipom: Aipom
  • :buizel: Buizel
  • :dratini: Dratini
  • :elekid: Elekid
  • :gastly: Gastly
  • :gligar: Gligar
  • :girafarig: Girafarig
  • :mienfoo: Mienfoo
  • :murkrow: Murkrow
  • :qwilfish-hisui: Qwilfish-Hisui
  • :snugglow: Snugglow
  • :solotl: Solotl
  • :syclar: Syclar
  • :voltorb-hisui: Voltorb-Hisui
  • :yanma: Yanma
  • Beedrillite
  • Blazikenite
  • Gengarite
  • Lucarionite
  • Mawilite
  • Medichamite
  • Pidgeotite
  • Vile Vial
Moves:
Baton Pass

Abilities:
Moody
Resources:
/challenge gen9mixandmega @@@ Little Cup, CAP, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Crucibellite, +Red Orb, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Meditite, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Stantler, -Lucarionite, *Aipom, *Buizel, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gastly, *Gligar, *Girafarig, *Mienfoo, *Misdreavus, *Murkrow, *Nohface, *Pawniard, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Snugglow, *Solotl, *Syclar, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Wattrel, *Yanma, -Vile Vial
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:Dorsoil:What is CAP LC Mix and Mega UU Kinda?:dorsoil:
CAP LC Mix and Mega B is a mashup of CAP, Little Cup, and Mix and Mega. In this metagame, players may only use Pokémon that have not yet evolved, are capable of evolution, and are obtainable at level 5 in-game, including qualifying Create-A-Pokémon creations. These Pokémon can use Mega Stones to gain the stats and abilities of those mega evolutions. Unlike CAP LC Mix and Mega A, this format is based on the LC Mix and Mega UU format, while CAP LC Mix and Mega A is based on the base LC Mix and Mega format. This technically isn't a UU because it's not the UU of CAP LC mnm, it's just a format based on LC mnm UU.

Ruleset and Banlist:
Species Clause: A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokedex number on a team.
OHKO Clause: A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Evasion Clause: A Pokemon may not have either Double Team or Minimize in its moveset.
Sleep Clause: If a player has already put a Pokemon on his/her opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, another one can't be put to sleep.
Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Mega Stone Clause: A limit of one of each Mega Stone may be used.
Terastal Clause: Prevents Pokemon from Terastallizing.
These Pokemon are banned:
    • Ubers:
      • :basculin: Basculin-White-Striped
      • :dunsparce: Dunsparce
      • :duraludon: Duraludon
      • :meditite: Meditite
      • :pawniard:Pawniard
      • :rufflet:Rufflet
      • :scyther: Scyther
      • :sneasel: Sneasel
      • :sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
      • :stantler: Stantler
    • OU by Viability:
      • :arrokuda:Arrokuda
      • :chinchou:Chinchou
      • :diglett:Diglett
      • :foongus:Foongus
      • :gligar:Gligar
      • :mankey:Mankey
      • :mienfoo:Mienfoo
      • :qwilfish-hisui:Qwilfish-Hisui
      • :sandshrew-alola:Sandshrew-Alola
      • :shellder:Shellder
      • :stunky:Stunky
      • :vullaby:Vullaby
      • :wattrel:Wattrel
      • :wingull:Wingull
    • UUBL:
      • :cawdet: Cawdet
These Pokemon cannot Mega Evolve even when holding a mega stone:
  • :aipom: Aipom
  • :buizel: Buizel
  • :dratini: Dratini
  • :elekid: Elekid
  • :gastly: Gastly
  • :girafarig: Girafarig
  • :misdreavus: Misdreavus
  • :pawniard: Pawniard
  • :solotl: Solotl
  • :syclar: Syclar:
  • :voltorb-hisui: Voltorb-Hisui
  • :yanma: Yanma
  • Beedrillite
  • Blazikenite
  • Gengarite
  • Kangaskhanite
  • Lucarionite
  • Mawilite
  • Medichamite
  • Pidgeotite
  • Vile Vial
Moves:
Baton Pass
Sticky Web

Abilities:
Moody
Resources:
/challenge [Gen 9] Mix and Mega @@@ Little Cup, CAP, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Crucibellite, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, -Basculin, -Cawdet, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Meditite, -Rufflet, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Stantler, -Lucarionite, +Red Orb, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Buizel, *Cutiefly, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Gligar, *Mienfoo, *Misdreavus, *Murkrow, *Pawniard, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Yanma, -Sandshrew-Alola, -Chinchou, -Stunky, -Arrokuda, -Gligar, -Mienfoo, -Vullaby, -Wattrel, -Diglett-Base, -Foongus, -Larvesta, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Mankey, -Shellder, -Wingull, -Vile Vial
/tour new [Gen 9] Mix and Mega,Elimination,,, [Gen 9] CAP LC MnM B/tour rules Little Cup, CAP, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, +Arena Trap, +Crucibellite, +Red Orb, +Rusted Sword, +Arena Trap, +Shadow Tag, *Aipom, *Blitzle, *Buizel, *Dratini, *Elekid, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Glimmet, *Pawniard, *Solotl, *Syclar, *Voltorb-Hisui, -Arrokuda, -Basculin, -Cawdet, -Chinchou, -Cutiefly, -Diglett-Alola, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Foongus, -Gligar, -Grookey, -Growlithe-Hisui, -Larvesta, -Lucarionite, -Mankey, -Meditite, -Mienfoo, -Misdreavus, -Monohm, -Mudbray, -Murkrow, -Nohface, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Rufflet, -Sandshrew-Alola, -Scyther, -Shellder, -Sneasel, -Stantler, -Stunky, -Voltorb-Base, -Vullaby, -Wingull, -Sticky Web, -Vile Vial
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Hi everyone, I've got some news for OMMs.

Some sad news, CringeMeta has chosen to step down from their position as Room Owner. We would like to thank them for all their contributions to OMMs and the community.

Some good news, I'd like to congratulate Clas our newest Mashups Leader and Room Owner!
An extremely passionate & knowledgeable member of the community. I'm excited to see the things they do to grow this wonderful community.
 
:sv/kilowattrel: Tier Shift PokeAAAbilities :sm/lanturn:
What is TSPokeAAAbilities? It's the combination of Tier Shift Mod, Almost Any Ability, and Pokebilities. In this format, all mons get all their abilities at once (Pokebilities), as well as an additional ability (AAA). Tier Shift Mod is also active so mons in lower tiers get stat buffs. Pokémon below OU get their stats, excluding HP, boosted. UU/RUBL get +15, RU/NUBL get +20, NU/PUBL get +25, and PU or lower get +30.


:dustox: Best Gal - May you play Gen 4 Randbats in peace ~~

  • Standard OMs
  • Tier Shift Mod
  • Terastal Clause
  • Obtainable Abilities
  • AAA Restricted Abilities

:Arceus: Arceus
:Basculin: Basculin
:Basculegion: Basculegion
:Braviary-Hisui: Hisuian Braviary
:Calyrex-Shadow: Shadow Rider Calyrex
:Conkeldurr: Conkeldurr
:Deoxys-Attack: Deoxys-Attack
:Eternatus: Eternatus
:Excadrill: Excadrill
:Ho-oh: Ho-oh
:Hoopa-Unbound: Hoopa Unbound
:Koraidon: Koraidon
:Kyogre: Kyogre
:Lugia: Lugia
:Miraidon: Miraidon
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: Dusk Mane Necrozma
:Porygon-Z: Porygon-Z
:Rayquaza: Rayquaza
:Smeargle: Smeargle
:ursaring: Ursaring
:Yanmega: Yanmega
:Zoroark-Hisui: Hisuian Zoroark

Arena Trap
Moody
Shadow Tag

Regenerator + Wimp Out
Regenerator + Emergency Exit
Regenerator > 2
Drizzle + Swift Swim
Primordial Sea + Swift Swim
Drought + Chlorophyll
Desolate Land + Chlorophyll
Electric Surge + Surge Surfer
Hadron Engine + Surge Surfer
Hadron Engine + Quark Drive
Electric Surge + Quark Drive
Drought + Protosynthesis
Comatose
Contrary
Fur Coat
Good as Gold
Gorilla Tactics
Huge Power
Ice Scales
Illusion
Imposter
Innards Out
Magic Bounce
Magnet Pull
Neutralizing Gas
Orichalcum Pulse
Parental Bond
Poison Heal
Pure Power
Simple
Speed Boost
Stakeout
Toxic Debris
Triage
Unburden
Water Bubble
Wonder Guard

King's Rock
Heat Rock
Razor Fang
Baton Pass
Last Respects
Revival Blessing
Shed Tail

:Kilowattrel: Kilowattrel
:medicham: Medicham
:Hitmonlee: Unburden
:Gumshoos: Gumshoos (why is this here you ask? zac c gets 2hkoed by this)

:hitmonlee: :minior: :lilligant: :salamence: :bruxish: :scream tail:
Quark Drive Hitmonlee+TLens Lilligant by The Kalos Fox
TBD
TBD

/challenge [Gen 9] Pokebilities @@@+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Calyrex-Ice,+Chien-Pao,+Chi-yu,+Deoxys-Base,+Dialga,+Dialga-Origin,+Espathra,+Flutter Mane,+Giratina,+Giratina-Origin,+Iron Bundle,+Groudon,+Kyurem-*,+Landorus-Base,+Lunala,+Magearna,+Mewtwo,+Necrozma-Dawn-Wings,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Palafin,+Palkia,+Palkia-Origin,+Regieleki,+Reshiram,+Shaymin-Sky,+Sneasler,+Solgaleo,+Spectrier,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,-Ursaring,+Urshifu,+Zacian,+Zacian-Crowned,+Zamazenta,+Zamazenta-Crowned,+Zekrom,-Basculin,-Hoopa-Unbound,-Yanmega,-Zoroark-Hisui,-Revival Blessing,-Regenerator + Wimp Out,-Regenerator + Emergency Exit,-Regenerator > 2,-Drizzle + Swift Swim,-Primordial Sea + Swift Swim,-Drought + Chlorophyll,-Desolate Land + Chlorophyll,-Electric Surge + Surge Surfer,-Hadron Engine + Surge Surfer,-Hadron Engine + Quark Drive,-Electric Surge + Quark Drive,-Drought + Protosynthesis,*Comatose,*Contrary,*Fur Coat,*Good as Gold,*Gorilla Tactics,*Huge Power,*Ice Scales,*Illusion,*Imposter,*Innards Out,*Magic Bounce,-Magnet Pull,-Heat Rock,*Neutralizing Gas,*Orichalcum Pulse,*Parental Bond,*Poison Heal,*Pure Power,*Simple,*Speed Boost,*Stakeout,*Toxic Debris,*Triage,*Unburden,*Water Bubble,*Wonder Guard,!Obtainable Abilities,Terastal Clause,AAA Restricted Abilities,Tier Shift Mod
/tour new [Gen 9] Pokebilities, elim,,, [Gen 9] Tier Shift PokeAAA
/tour rules +Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Calyrex-Ice,+Chien-Pao,+Chi-yu,+Deoxys-Base,+Dialga,+Dialga-Origin,+Espathra,+Flutter Mane,+Giratina,+Giratina-Origin,+Iron Bundle,+Groudon,+Kyurem-*,+Landorus-Base,+Lunala,+Magearna,+Mewtwo,+Necrozma-Dawn-Wings,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Palafin,+Palkia,+Palkia-Origin,+Regieleki,+Reshiram,+Shaymin-Sky,+Sneasler,+Solgaleo,+Spectrier,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,-Ursaring,+Urshifu,+Zacian,+Zacian-Crowned,+Zamazenta,+Zamazenta-Crowned,+Zekrom,-Basculin,-Hoopa-Unbound,-Yanmega,-Zoroark-Hisui,-Revival Blessing,-Regenerator + Wimp Out,-Regenerator + Emergency Exit,-Regenerator > 2,-Drizzle + Swift Swim,-Primordial Sea + Swift Swim,-Drought + Chlorophyll,-Desolate Land + Chlorophyll,-Electric Surge + Surge Surfer,-Hadron Engine + Surge Surfer,-Hadron Engine + Quark Drive,-Electric Surge + Quark Drive,-Drought + Protosynthesis,*Comatose,*Contrary,*Fur Coat,*Good as Gold,*Gorilla Tactics,*Huge Power,*Ice Scales,*Illusion,*Imposter,*Innards Out,*Magic Bounce,-Magnet Pull,-Heat Rock,*Neutralizing Gas,*Orichalcum Pulse,*Parental Bond,*Poison Heal,*Pure Power,*Simple,*Speed Boost,*Stakeout,*Toxic Debris,*Triage,*Unburden,*Water Bubble,*Wonder Guard,!Obtainable Abilities,Terastal Clause,AAA Restricted Abilities,Tier Shift Mod
/wall This is Tier Shift, Pokebilities and Almost Any Ability
/wall Hub: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-mashup-megathread.3711916/page-9#post-10230850
/tour autostart 9
/tour autodq 7

Edit 1: I would also like to note some mons, for example Zacian-Crowned :zacian-crowned: are ability locked, meaning putting an extra ability on it will not work.
 
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Tier Shift PokeAAAbilities Update
Calyrex Ice Rider :calyrex-ice: and Urshifu :urshifu: are unbanned from tspokeaaa!
After a unanimous vote, the council has agreed to unban Calyrex-Ice Rider and Urshifu. We don't see Calyrex-Ice as too big of a problem, and Urshifu is normally not banned from TSAAA.

The codes will be updated shortly. Codes are updated.
:pip::totodiLUL: ^~^
 
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Tier Shift PokeAAAbilities Update
Ursaring :ursaring: is now banned from TsPokeAAAbilities! It can run Toxic Boost as an extra ability, along with Guts Toxic Orb making a 2.25 multiplier. This also allows it to spam Facade, a now 140 base power STAB normal type move with no drawback. It gets a free Scarf too, with Quick Feet, and Tier Shift giving it a base 85 speed. Max speed Ursaring reaches 442, enough to outspeed even Zacian Crowned :zacian-crowned:.
Codes are updated.
 
Random Little Cup Mashups Compilation
(I´m gonna update this everytime I make a new one) (Less of a Hub and more a Code Dump)

This is the combination of National Dex LC and STABmons, meaning that every Little Cup Pokemon can get almost every move

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex LC, elim,,, [Gen 9] National Dex Little Cup STABmons
/tour rules STABmons Move Legality, Terastal Clause, -Light Clay, -Assist, *Acupressure, -Shell Smash, *Astral Barrage, *Belly Drum, *Bolt Beak, *Celebrate, *Conversion, *Electrify, *Extreme Speed, *Fillet Away, *Fishious Rend, *Forests Curse, *Geomancy, *Gigaton Hammer, *Happy Hour, *Hold Hands, *Last Respects, *No Retreat, *Population Bomb, *Purify, *Quiver Dance, *Revival Blessing, *Shed Tail, *Shift Gear, *Sketch, *Sleep Powder, *Spore, *Surging Strikes, *Tail Glow, *Thousand Waves, *Trick-or-Treat *V-Create, *Victory Dance
/tour autostart 9
/tour autodq 7
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] National Dex LC @@@ STABmons Move Legality, Terastal Clause, -Light Clay, -Assist, *Acupressure, -Shell Smash, *Astral Barrage, *Belly Drum, *Bolt Beak, *Celebrate, *Conversion, *Electrify, *Extreme Speed, *Fillet Away, *Fishious Rend, *Forests Curse, *Geomancy, *Gigaton Hammer, *Happy Hour, *Hold Hands, *Last Respects, *No Retreat, *Population Bomb, *Purify, *Quiver Dance, *Revival Blessing, *Shed Tail, *Shift Gear, *Sketch, *Sleep Powder, *Spore, *Surging Strikes, *Tail Glow, *Thousand Waves, *Trick-or-Treat *V-Create, *Victory Dance

This is the combination of National Dex LC and Almost Any Ability, meaning that all LC Pokemon can get Almost Any Ability. This format doesn´t count the original abilities of their Pokemon as of them, meaning that if it´s banned, not even Pokemon that get it originally can use it.

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex LC, elim,,, [Gen 9] National Dex Little Cup AAA
/tour rules !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Arena Trap, -Chlorophyll, -Comatose, -Contrary, -Fur Coat, -Gorilla Tactics, -Huge Power, -Ice Scales, -Illusion, -Imposter, -Innards Out, -Neutralizing Gas, -Protosynthesis, -Pure Power, -Quark Drive, -Sand Rush, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Skill Link, -Slush Rush, -Speed Boost, -Stakeout, -Surge Surfer, -Swift Swim, -Triage, -Unburden, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, +Flittle, +Meditite, +Snivy, +Swirlix, +Vulpix-Alola
/tour autodq 9
/tour autostart 7
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] National Dex LC @@@ !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Arena Trap, -Chlorophyll, -Comatose, -Contrary, -Fur Coat, -Gorilla Tactics, -Huge Power, -Ice Scales, -Illusion, -Imposter, -Innards Out, -Neutralizing Gas, -Protosynthesis, -Pure Power, -Quark Drive, -Sand Rush, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Skill Link, -Slush Rush, -Speed Boost, -Stakeout, -Surge Surfer, -Swift Swim, -Triage, -Unburden, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, +Flittle, +Meditite, +Porygon, +Snivy, +Swirlix, +Vulpix-Alola

This is the combination of Trademarked, Pokebilities and Little Cup. Meaning that a Pokemon can use all of his abilities at the same time + a Trademark and is set on a LC enviroment. Check the Tradeabilities Hub for more information on how the format works: :Cinccino: :Minccino: Tradeabilities Hub :Sentret: :Furret:

/tour new [Gen 9] Trademarked, elim,,, [Gen 9] Tradeabilities LC
/tour rules [Gen 9] Pokebilities, !Sleep Moves Clause, [Gen 9] LC, *Agility, *Aurora Veil, *Burning Bulwark, *Endure, *Glare, *Hypnosis, *Sing, *Sleep Powder, *Spore, *Sunny Day, *Tailwind, *Toxic, *Yawn, -Rain Dance + Arrokuda, -Rain Dance + Buizel, -Rain Dance + Chewtle, -Rain Dance + Feebas, -Rain Dance + Finneon, -Rain Dance + Horsea, -Rain Dance + Lotad, -Rain Dance + Poliwag, -Rain Dance + Psyduck, -Rain Dance + Surskit, -Recycle + Eject Button, -Recycle + Eject Pack, -Recycle + Red Card, -Sandstorm + Drilbur, -Sandstorm + Sandshrew, -Snowscape + Sandshrew-Alola, -Snowscape + Cubchoo, -Foongus + Mareanie + Mienfoo + Slowpoke + Solosis, -Damp Rock, -Icy Rock, -Smooth Rock, -Buizel, -Shellder, +Arena Trap, +Magnet Pull, +Shadow Tag
/tour autodq 7
/tour autostart 9
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] Trademarked @@@ [Gen 9] Pokebilities, !Sleep Moves Clause, [Gen 9] LC, *Agility, *Aurora Veil, *Burning Bulwark, *Endure, *Glare, *Hypnosis, *Sing, *Sleep Powder, *Spore, *Sunny Day, *Tailwind, *Toxic, *Yawn, -Rain Dance + Arrokuda, -Rain Dance + Buizel, -Rain Dance + Chewtle, -Rain Dance + Feebas, -Rain Dance + Finneon, -Rain Dance + Horsea, -Rain Dance + Lotad, -Rain Dance + Poliwag, -Rain Dance + Psyduck, -Rain Dance + Surskit, -Recycle + Eject Button, -Recycle + Eject Pack, -Recycle + Red Card, -Sandstorm + Drilbur, -Sandstorm + Sandshrew, -Snowscape + Sandshrew-Alola, -Snowscape + Cubchoo, -Foongus + Mareanie + Mienfoo + Slowpoke + Solosis, -Damp Rock, -Icy Rock, -Smooth Rock, -Buizel, -Shellder, +Arena Trap, +Magnet Pull, +Shadow Tag

This is National Dex LC Camomons with Almost Any Move

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex LC, elim,,, [Gen 9] LCamove Chaos
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, Camomons Mod, CFZ Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Abra, -Anchor Shot, -Belly Drum, -Bolt Beak, -Boomburst, -Ceaseless Edge, -Celebrate, -Chatter, -Conversion, -Dire Claw, -Double Iron Bash, -Dragon Energy, -Eruption, -Extreme Speed, -Electrify, -Fillet Away, -Fishious Rend, -Forests Curse, -Geomancy, -Happy Hour, -Hold Hands, -Jet Punch, -Lumina Crash, -Me First, -No Retreat, -Octolock, -Population Bomb, -Power Trip, -Purify, -Quiver Dance, -Rage Fist, -Revival Blessing, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Sketch, -Stored Power, -Spirit Shackle, -Surging Strikes, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Waves, -Transform, -Trick-or-Treat, -Triple Arrows, -V-Create, -Victory Dance, +Blazing Torque, +Combat Torque, +Light of Ruin, +Magical Torque, +Noxious Torque, +Wicked Torque, -Arena Trap, -Contrary, -Magnet Pull, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Unburden, +Cutiefly, +Drifloon, +Flittle, +Porygon, +Swirlix, +Woobat, +Zigzagoon-Base
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 9
/wall This is National Dex Little Cup Camomons with Almost Any Move
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] National Dex LC @@@ !Obtainable Moves, Camomons Mod, CFZ Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Abra, -Anchor Shot, -Belly Drum, -Bolt Beak, -Boomburst, -Ceaseless Edge, -Celebrate, -Chatter, -Conversion, -Dire Claw, -Double Iron Bash, -Dragon Energy, -Eruption, -Extreme Speed, -Electrify, -Fillet Away, -Fishious Rend, -Forests Curse, -Geomancy, -Happy Hour, -Hold Hands, -Jet Punch, -Lumina Crash, -Me First, -No Retreat, -Octolock, -Population Bomb, -Power Trip, -Purify, -Quiver Dance, -Rage Fist, -Revival Blessing, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Sketch, -Stored Power, -Spirit Shackle, -Surging Strikes, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Waves, -Transform, -Trick-or-Treat, -Triple Arrows, -V-Create, -Victory Dance, +Blazing Torque, +Combat Torque, +Light of Ruin, +Magical Torque, +Noxious Torque, +Wicked Torque, -Arena Trap, -Contrary, -Magnet Pull, -Shadow Tag, -Unburden, +Cutiefly, +Drifloon, +Flittle, +Porygon, +Swirlix, +Zigzagoon-Base
 
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Following the Next Voting Slate on the Tradeabilities Tier:

Council MembersPoison GasDisable
adpg.2007BANBAN
maestro de hydreigonBANBAN
ClasDNBABSTAIN

:Pecharunt: Poison Gas and :Sableye: Disable are now restricted!

Poison Gas becomed a poor man Toxic. Even if the poisoning effect is not that powerful as the one from Toxic, is still extremely hard to fight back because when paired with Soak from Pokemon like Alomomola it basically has no counterplay more than try to not get poisoned your valuable Pokemon, something extremely hard. Additionally, Pecharunt can also spread confusion thanks to Poison Pupeeteer making it even more threatening.

Disable disrupt the forms to play against most structures effectively. Unlike in standard Trademarked, the extra abilities allows for even less counterplay to this, like Priority Encore from Sableye, or just an extremely fast one from something like Scream Tail in Sun, this along the fact that the Choice Items are a must need for trying to break and make progress makes this even more difficult.

We're still trying to progress with the rules fixing, and with the voting on the last things on the watchlist so we can progress with the Sample Teams and the Viability Rankings. Welcoming The OMM Leader Clas to the Council after the Yoru97 (better known as H4ruto) renunciation, the tier has hope to progress more quickly since now, thanks to Yoru for his brief but useful contribution to the tier. The code is gonna be updated as soon as possible. See ya around!
 
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RANDOM CAP MASHUPS COMPILATION
(Like the LC one, but with CAP instead)

Also called Nat Dex Poke CAPvergence or just NDPCAP, is the Mashup of National Dex Pokebilities and Convergence Legality, adding CAP to the mix. Check the base :Basculin-Blue-Striped: NDPC Hub :Basculin: too

You get all the mon base abilities + 1 ability of Convergence and all the moves/abilities are shared between mons with same exact type. Mega Pokemon can share his Ability and Moves with Pokemon with his same type combo, but can only recieve moves and abilities (that are still gonna be overwritted upon mega-evolving) from Pokemon with the same typing as his base form. Some abilities are restricted to only base users, a few are banned, some combinations on the same Pokemon are banned, and banned moves can't be used even by base users.

/tour new [Gen 9] Pokebilities, Elimination,,,[Gen 9] National Dex CAPvergence Pokebilities
/tour rules !Obtainable, Standard Natdex, Convergence Legality, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Misc, Ability Clause = 2, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, -ND Uber, -ND AG, +CAP, -Alakazam-Mega, -Alomomola, -Blacephalon, -Chuggalong, -Clefable, -Darkrai, -Darmanitan-Galar, -Dondozo, -Dracovish, -Excadrill, -Genesect, -Gigalith, -Gouging Fire, -Greninja, -Inteleon, -Kangaskhan-Mega, -Marshadow, -Melmetal, -Metagross-Mega, -Naganadel, -Necrozma-Ultra, -Obstagoon, -Pajantom, -Pheromosa, -Pincurchin, -Porygon2, -Porygon-Z, -Raging Bolt, -Sceptile, -Smeargle, -Tapu Lele, -Xerneas, -Yveltal, -Comatose, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Drought + Protosynthesis, -Power Construct, -Sand Stream + Sand Rush, -Simple, -Snow Warning + Slush Rush, -Triage, *Contrary, *Good as Gold, *Guts, *Fur Coat, *Huge Power, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Persistent, *Poison Heal, *Pure Power, *Speed Boost, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, -Belly Drum, -Extreme Speed, -Geomancy, -Rage Fist, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Victory Dance, -Damp Rock, -Heat Rock, -Icy Rock, -Smooth Rock, -Electrify, -Population Bomb, -Quiver Dance, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Arrows, -Transform, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator > 2, !!Min Source Gen = 1, +Annihilape, +Baxcalibur, +Blastoise-Mega, +Blaziken-Mega, +Braviary-Hisui, +Dragapult, +Gholdengo, +Kingambit,+Lucario-Mega, +Palafin, +Roaring Moon, +Urshifu-Base, +Zygarde, +Crucibellite, +Vile Vial
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 7
/wall This is National Dex CAP, with Pokebilities and Convergence
/wall further explanation: **https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-mashup-megathread.3711916/post-10246058**
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] Pokebilities @@@ !Obtainable, Standard Natdex, Convergence Legality, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Misc, Ability Clause = 2, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, -ND Uber, -ND AG, +CAP, -Alakazam-Mega, -Alomomola, -Blacephalon, -Chuggalong, -Clefable, -Darkrai, -Darmanitan-Galar, -Dondozo, -Dracovish, -Excadrill, -Genesect, -Gigalith, -Gouging Fire, -Greninja, -Inteleon, -Kangaskhan-Mega, -Marshadow, -Melmetal, -Metagross-Mega, -Naganadel, -Necrozma-Ultra, -Obstagoon, -Pajantom, -Pheromosa, -Pincurchin, -Porygon2, -Porygon-Z, -Raging Bolt, -Sceptile, -Smeargle, -Tapu Lele, -Xerneas, -Yveltal, -Comatose, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Drought + Protosynthesis, -Power Construct, -Sand Stream + Sand Rush, -Simple, -Snow Warning + Slush Rush, -Triage, *Contrary, *Good as Gold, *Guts, *Fur Coat, *Huge Power, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Persistent, *Poison Heal, *Pure Power, *Speed Boost, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, -Belly Drum, -Extreme Speed, -Geomancy, -Rage Fist, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Victory Dance, -Damp Rock, -Heat Rock, -Icy Rock, -Smooth Rock, -Electrify, -Population Bomb, -Quiver Dance, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Arrows, -Transform, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator > 2, !!Min Source Gen = 1, +Annihilape, +Baxcalibur, +Blastoise-Mega, +Blaziken-Mega, +Braviary-Hisui, +Dragapult, +Gholdengo, +Kingambit,+Lucario-Mega, +Palafin, +Roaring Moon, +Urshifu-Base, +Zygarde, +Crucibellite, +Vile Vial

This is the combination of Pokebilities and Almost Any Ability, adding the CAP Pokemon in there. Check the :Lokix: Hub :Corviknight: of the base format in there

In here you get all your base abilities + an AAA added ability. Some abilities are restricted to only Pokemon with it as base, a few are banned.

/tour new [Gen 9] Pokebilities, Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Pokebilities CAAAP
/tour rules !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, +CAP, *Comatose, *Contrary, *Fur Coat, *Good as Gold, *Gorilla Tactics, *Huge Power, *Ice Scales, *Illusion, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Magic Bounce, -Magnet Pull, *Neutralizing Gas, *Orichalcum Pulse, *Parental Bond, *Poison Heal, *Pure Power, *Simple, *Speed Boost, *Stakeout, *Toxic Debris, *Triage, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, *Wonder Guard, -Arcanine-Hisui, -Azumarill, -Basculin, -Blaziken, -Cawmodore, -Clefable, -Darkrai, -Dondozo, -Dragapult, -Dragonite, -Enamorus-Base, -Gholdengo, -Gouging Fire, -Hawlucha, -Hemogoblin, -Hoopa-Unbound, -Iron Valiant, -Kingambit, -Kleavor, -Kyurem, -Meowscarada, -Noivern, -Raging Bolt, -Serperior, -Ursaluna, -Urshifu, -Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, -Walking Wake, -Yanmega, -Zapdos-Galar, -Zoroark-Hisui, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator + Wimp Out, -Regenerator + Emergency Exit, -Regenerator > 1, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Primordial Sea + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Desolate Land + Chlorophyll, -Electric Surge + Surge Surfer, -Hadron Engine + Surge Surfer, -Hadron Engine + Quark Drive, -Electric Surge + Quark Drive, -Drought + Protosynthesis, +Regieleki, +Palafin
/tour autostart 10
/tour autodq 7
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] Pokebilities @@@ !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, +CAP, *Comatose, *Contrary, *Fur Coat, *Good as Gold, *Gorilla Tactics, *Huge Power, *Ice Scales, *Illusion, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Magic Bounce, -Magnet Pull, *Neutralizing Gas, *Orichalcum Pulse, *Parental Bond, *Poison Heal, *Pure Power, *Simple, *Speed Boost, *Stakeout, *Toxic Debris, *Triage, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, *Wonder Guard, -Arcanine-Hisui, -Azumarill, -Basculin, -Blaziken, -Cawmodore, -Clefable, -Darkrai, -Dondozo, -Dragapult, -Dragonite, -Enamorus-Base, -Gholdengo, -Gouging Fire, -Hawlucha, -Hemogoblin, -Hoopa-Unbound, -Iron Valiant, -Kingambit, -Kleavor, -Kyurem, -Meowscarada, -Noivern, -Raging Bolt, -Serperior, -Ursaluna, -Urshifu, -Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, -Walking Wake, -Yanmega, -Zapdos-Galar, -Zoroark-Hisui, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator + Wimp Out, -Regenerator + Emergency Exit, -Regenerator > 1, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Primordial Sea + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Desolate Land + Chlorophyll, -Electric Surge + Surge Surfer, -Hadron Engine + Surge Surfer, -Hadron Engine + Quark Drive, -Electric Surge + Quark Drive, -Drought + Protosynthesis, +Regieleki, +Palafin

This is the Mashup of Little Cup, Pokebilities and Almost Any Ability, throwing the CAP mons on it. Functioning of Pokebilities and AAA together is explained on the Pokebilities CAAAP Section. Check the:Fletchling: LC Mashups Hub :Growlithe-Hisui: for more details

/tour new [Gen 9] Pokebilities, Elimination,,,[Gen 9] LCAP PokeAAAbilities
/tour rules Little Cup, !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, +CAP, *Comatose, *Contrary, *Fur Coat, *Good as Gold, *Gorilla Tactics, *Huge Power, *Ice Scales, *Illusion, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Magic Bounce, *Neutralizing Gas, *Parental Bond, *Pure Power, *Simple, *Speed Boost, *Stakeout, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, *Wonder Guard, *Orichalcum Pulse, -Comatose, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator + Wimp Out, -Regenerator + Emergency Exit, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Primordial Sea + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Desolate Land + Chlorophyll, -Basculin-White-Striped, -Aipom, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Gastly, -Girafarig, -Gligar, -Murkrow, -Misdreavus, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Rufflet, -Scraggy, -Stantler, -Yanma, -Meditite, -Cutiefly, -Snivy, -Mienfoo, -Shellder, -Sand Stream + Sand Rush, *Triage, -Snow Warning + Slush Rush, -Regenerator > 2, *Magnet Pull, *Sand Veil, *Snow Cloak, *Arena Trap, -Sand Stream + Sand Veil, -Snow Warning + Snow Cloak, *Shadow Tag
/tour autodq 7
/tour autostart 9
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] Pokebilities @@@ Little Cup, !Obtainable Abilities, Ability Clause = 1, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, AAA Restricted Abilities, +CAP, *Comatose, *Contrary, *Fur Coat, *Good as Gold, *Gorilla Tactics, *Huge Power, *Ice Scales, *Illusion, *Imposter, *Innards Out, *Magic Bounce, *Neutralizing Gas, *Parental Bond, *Pure Power, *Simple, *Speed Boost, *Stakeout, *Unburden, *Water Bubble, *Wonder Guard, *Orichalcum Pulse, -Comatose, -Revival Blessing, -Regenerator + Wimp Out, -Regenerator + Emergency Exit, -Drizzle + Swift Swim, -Primordial Sea + Swift Swim, -Drought + Chlorophyll, -Desolate Land + Chlorophyll, -Basculin-White-Striped, -Aipom, -Sneasel, -Scyther, -Dunsparce, -Duraludon, -Gastly, -Girafarig, -Gligar, -Murkrow, -Misdreavus, -Qwilfish-Hisui, -Rufflet, -Scraggy, -Stantler, -Yanma, -Meditite, -Cutiefly, -Snivy, -Mienfoo, -Shellder, -Sand Stream + Sand Rush, *Triage, -Snow Warning + Slush Rush, -Regenerator > 2, *Magnet Pull, *Sand Veil, *Snow Cloak, *Arena Trap, -Sand Stream + Sand Veil, -Snow Warning + Snow Cloak, *Shadow Tag

Based on the creative Mashup created by Klawp, this is Godly Gift but the NFE Pokemon are the Gods, and the LC Mons are the follower, check the :Dipplin: Original Hub :Qwilfish-Hisui: for more details

/tour new [Gen 9] CAP, elim,,, [Gen 9] Godly Goobers CAP
/tour rules Standard OMs, !Sleep Moves Clause, Not Fully Evolved, Stadium Sleep Clause, Godly Gift Mod, Adjust Level = 5, *CAP NFE, *NFE, *Cawdet, *Dipplin, *Gligar, *Gurdurr, *Magneton, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Vulpix, -Scattervein, -Magnet Pull, -Population Bomb, -Sticky Web
/tour autodq 7
/tour autostart 9
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] CAP @@@ Standard OMs, !Sleep Moves Clause, Not Fully Evolved, Stadium Sleep Clause, Godly Gift Mod, Adjust Level = 5, *CAP NFE, *NFE, *Cawdet, *Dipplin, *Gligar, *Gurdurr, *Magneton, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Vulpix, -Scattervein, -Magnet Pull, -Population Bomb, -Sticky Web

This is National Dex LC Camomons with Almost Any Move, and CAP LC mons are in here too

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex LC, elim,,, [Gen 9] LCAPamove Chaos
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, Camomons Mod, CFZ Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, +CAP, -Abra, -Anchor Shot, -Belly Drum, -Bolt Beak, -Boomburst, -Ceaseless Edge, -Celebrate, -Chatter, -Conversion, -Dire Claw, -Double Iron Bash, -Dragon Energy, -Eruption, -Extreme Speed, -Electrify, -Fillet Away, -Fishious Rend, -Forests Curse, -Geomancy, -Happy Hour, -Hold Hands, -Jet Punch, -Lumina Crash, -Me First, -No Retreat, -Octolock, -Population Bomb, -Power Trip, -Purify, -Quiver Dance, -Rage Fist, -Revival Blessing, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Sketch, -Stored Power, -Spirit Shackle, -Surging Strikes, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Waves, -Transform, -Trick-or-Treat, -Triple Arrows, -V-Create, -Victory Dance, +Blazing Torque, +Combat Torque, +Light of Ruin, +Magical Torque, +Noxious Torque, +Wicked Torque, -Arena Trap, -Contrary, -Magnet Pull, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Unburden, +Cutiefly, +Drifloon, +Flittle, +Porygon, +Swirlix, +Woobat, +Zigzagoon-Base
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 9
/wall This is National Dex Little Cup Camomons with Almost Any Move
/tour autoconfirmedonly on

/challenge [Gen 9] National Dex LC @@@ !Obtainable Moves, Camomons Mod, CFZ Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Abra, -Anchor Shot, -Belly Drum, -Bolt Beak, -Boomburst, -Ceaseless Edge, -Celebrate, -Chatter, -Conversion, -Dire Claw, -Double Iron Bash, -Dragon Energy, -Eruption, -Extreme Speed, -Electrify, -Fillet Away, -Fishious Rend, -Forests Curse, -Geomancy, -Happy Hour, -Hold Hands, -Jet Punch, -Lumina Crash, -Me First, -No Retreat, -Octolock, -Population Bomb, -Power Trip, -Purify, -Quiver Dance, -Rage Fist, -Revival Blessing, -Shell Smash, -Shift Gear, -Sketch, -Stored Power, -Spirit Shackle, -Surging Strikes, -Tail Glow, -Thousand Waves, -Transform, -Trick-or-Treat, -Triple Arrows, -V-Create, -Victory Dance, +Blazing Torque, +Combat Torque, +Light of Ruin, +Magical Torque, +Noxious Torque, +Wicked Torque, -Arena Trap, -Contrary, -Magnet Pull, -Shadow Tag, -Simple, -Unburden, +Cutiefly, +Drifloon, +Flittle, +Porygon, +Swirlix, +Woobat, +Zigzagoon-Base
 
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:Gouging Fire:Camove Chaos Update:Calyrex-Shadow:

I’m happy to present another Camove update. It’s very exciting to see the increase in Camove’s playerbase and popularity. The council has been hard at work developing the new VR, and in the meantime I’m announcing the new changes:

ClasBBPTHRTTLTPHLinkCodeAkiraElgyemResult
Clangorous SoulBanBanBanBanBanBanBanBanBan
Omniboost Z-movesUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnban
Astral BarrageBanDNBBanDNBBanDNBBanDNBDNB
Burning Bulwark + Baneful BunkerBanDNBDNBBanDNBDNBDNBDNBDNB

Clangorous Soul :Kommo-O: is banned and Omniboost Z-moves :Victini: are unbanned!

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Camove Chaos
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Terastal Clause,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Sketch,-Stored Power,-Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Comfey,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Kartana,-Komala,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Regieleki,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zamazenta,-Zoroark,-Magnet Pull,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Houndstone,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
!rfaq camove
/wall This is **National Dex Camomons** with **almost any move!**
 
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:Gouging Fire:Camove Chaos Update:Calyrex-Shadow:

I’m happy to present another Camove update. It’s very exciting to see the increase in Camove’s playerbase and popularity. The council has been hard at work developing the new VR, and in the meantime I’m announcing the new changes:

ClasBBPTHRTTLTPHLinkCodeAkiraElgyemResult
Clangorous SoulBanBanDNBBanBanBanBanBanBan
Omniboost Z-movesUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnbanUnban
Astral BarrageBanDNBBanDNBBanDNBBanDNBDNB
Burning Bulwark + Baneful BunkerBanDNBDNBBanDNBDNBDNBDNBDNB

Clangorous Soul :Kommo-O: is banned and Omniboost Z-moves :Porygon-Z: are unbanned!

/tour new [Gen 9] National Dex,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Camove Chaos
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Terastal Clause,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Sketch,-Stored Power,-Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Comfey,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Kartana,-Komala,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Regieleki,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zamazenta,-Zoroark,-Magnet Pull,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Houndstone,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
!rfaq camove
/wall This is **National Dex Camomons** with **almost any move!**

:Arbok: a misunderstood hero
 
:Sandshrew-alola: LC Mix and Mega Update :Sandshrew-Alola:
HaruClasIpikaBleaheyRoldskiResult
Ban Webs, Unban CutieflyYesNoYesYesAbstain3-1-1
Quick announcement, Cutiefly is getting unbanned, albeit restricted, while Webs is getting banned. Other than that, VR has been getting updated and likely will continue being tweaked throughout TPP. Idk what else to put here help
 
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LC Mix and Mega Announcement
I am stepping down from LC MnM council. This was something I've told to councils but i haven't told the proper reason why. Admittedly, I've been far too behind in terms of meta knowledge and experience compared to other, and this can be shown by me having multiple abstain votes during tiering updates. I got burnout from PS stuff and took a break from it this July, then IRL stuff hit me on August, which cuts my time on PS. I was initially thinking of entirely stepping down on OMM, but part of me still wanted to stick around for long.

In other news, zastra will join the council in my place, and I believe him and the rest of the council will lead this tier to a better direction.
 
Ladies and Gentleman!
I am very happy to announce this camove update
ClasTTLTTHRBBPLinkCodeAkiraDasocksPHAdvtResult
BulwarkBANBANBANBANBANBANBANBANBAN9-0(Ban)
Baneful BANBANBANDNBDNBBANDNBDNBBAN5-4(Ban)

Burning Bulwark :Gouging Fire: and Baneful Bunker :Toxapex: have been banned! You can now click contact moves (almost) worry free!
 
Hello OMMs, I have taken some time and have not been as active recently, hopefully that will change in the future. But for now, I have been chipping away my limited time at a Camove Setpedia. More like a help call instead of a post, but I'd like some help on this.

https://pokepast.es/ea3125243b32356b Setpedia :darmanitan:

There are definitely some notable sets missing, but alas that is why Im asking for help. I won't be that active, so have fun!

some sets missing would be like valiant or apple
 
Pokemoves Chaos Hub Page
Less of a Hub Page, more of a code dump, cuz I don't have time to make a good one LOL.

So this is Camove Chaos + Pokemoves (yes this is Nat Dex too :darmanitan:), and there are quite a few changes. Pokemoves will automatically go to the last slot, but just in case for whatever reason you have only 2 moves, Pokemoves types are semi-recognized. They will show as "???" type, though that won't happen often. All the bans are the regular Camove bans+Pokemoves limit which is 125 base power. Also Pokemoves are NOT boosted by Sheer Force.

:boldore: aidan amoongus (me)
:monferno: adpg.alt
:xerneas: Fynx Der Fuchs

/challenge [Gen 9] Pokemoves @@@!Obtainable Moves,!Team Preview,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Terastal Clause,+past,!minsourcegen,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Burning Bulwark,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Electro Shot,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Heal Order,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Rising Voltage,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Stored Power,-Substitute,-Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Charizard-Mega-Y,-Comfey,-Darmanitan,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Hoopa-Unbound,-Kartana,-Komala,-Kyurem,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zoroark,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base,-Alakazam,-Shedinja,-Zamazenta,-Melmetal,-Magnet Pull,!! Allowed Pokemoves = 4,!! Unique Pokemoves = 4

/tour new [Gen 9] Pokemoves,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Pokemove Chaos
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves,!Team Preview,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Terastal Clause,+past,!minsourcegen,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Burning Bulwark,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Electro Shot,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Heal Order,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Rising Voltage,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Stored Power,-Substitute, -Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Charizard-Mega-Y,-Comfey,-Darmanitan,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Hoopa-Unbound,-Kartana,-Komala,-Kyurem,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zoroark,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base,-Alakazam,-Shedinja,-Zamazenta,-Melmetal,-Magnet Pull,!! Allowed Pokemoves = 4,!! Unique Pokemoves = 4
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
/wall This is **National Dex Camomons** with **almost any move** and **Pokemoves!** Note that if your Pokemove is in one of the first two moveslots, Camomons will make your Pokemon a **??? type**! This type is neutral to every single type defensively!
/wall If you don't want to build a team, the regular Camove Chaos samples work as well!
!rfaq camove
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
/wall This is **National Dex Camomons** with **almost any move** and **Pokemoves!** Note that if your Pokemove is in one of the first two moveslots, Camomons will make your Pokemon a **??? type**! This type is neutral to every single type defensively!
/wall If you don't want to build a team, the regular Camove Chaos samples work as well!
!rfaq camove

Thanks to Clas for telling me how to make this Nat Dex
adpg.alt for giving me the code when I couldn't access discord
and BandedBodyPress for telling me to add ,Elimination to the code

Edit 1: Added Electro Shot Ban, and thanks

Well, have fun!
:darmanitan: :rhydon: :heatran: :politoed:
 
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Godly Goobers Voting Slate 2!!!
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its been a while...
ClasH4rutoTheIronPikachuKlawpVelcrocOutcome
RhydonDNBDNBDNBDNBDNBStays Legal (0-5-0)
PrimeapeBANDNBBANDNBAbstainStays Legal (2-2-1)
MeowthBANBANBANBANBANRestricted (5-0-0)
SkrelpBANBANDNBBANBANRestricted (4-1-0)
Weather RocksDNBAbstainBANAbstainAbstainStays Legal (1-1-3)
Swift SwimDNBAbstainDNBDNBDNBStays Legal (0-4-1)

The next (and final until further notice) set of NFE Ubers to be tested are Magneton and Porygon2!

/tour new [Gen 9] NFE,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Godly Goobers
/tour rules Godly Gift Mod, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, !Terastal Clause, -Basculin-White-Striped, -Chansey, -Duraludon, -Electabuzz, -Haunter, -Magmar, -Scyther, -Sneasel, -Sneasel-Hisui, -Bisharp, -Ursaring, -Tandemaus, -Light Ball, -Huge Power, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Arctibax, *Bayleef, *Braixen, *Brionne, *Carkol, *Charjabug, *Charmeleon, *Clefairy, *Combusken, *Corvisquire, *Cosmoem, *Crocalor, *Croconaw, *Cutiefly, *Dartrix, *Dewott, *Diglett-Base, *Dolliv, *Dragonair, *Drakloak, *Drizzile, *Dunsparce, *Duosion, *Dusclops, *Eelektrik, *Flaaffy, *Fletchinder, *Flittle, *Floette, *Floragato, *Fraxure, *Frogadier, *Gabite, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Gligar, *Gloom, *Gothorita, *Graveler, *Graveler-Alola, *Grotle, *Grovyle, *Hakamo-o, *Hattrem, *Ivysaur, *Jigglypuff, *Kirlia, *Krokorok, *Kubfu, *Lampent, *Lombre, *Luxio, *Marill, *Marshtomp, *Meditite, *Meowth-Base, *Metang, *Misdreavus, *Monferno, *Morgrem, *Munchlax, *Murkrow, *Naclstack, *Nuzleaf, *Pawmo, *Pignite, *Pikachu, *Piloswine, *Poliwhirl, *Porygon, *Prinplup, *Pupitar, *Quaxwell, *Quilava, *Quilladin, *Raboot, *Rufflet, *Scraggy, *Seadra, *Servine, *Shelgon, *Skiploom, *Skrelp, *Sliggoo, *Sliggoo-Hisui, *Snivy, *Spewpa, *Stantler, *Staravia, *Steenee, *Swadloon, *Tinkatuff, *Thwackey, *Torracat, *Trumbeak, *Vibrava, *Vigoroth, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Vulpix-Alola, *Wartortle, *Weepinbell, *Yanma, *Zweilous, *Dipplin, *Gurdurr, *Magneton, *Porygon2, *Primeape, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Rhydon, *Vulpix, Limit One Restricted, adjustlevel=5
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
/wall This is **Godly Gift** but the gods are **NFE** and their followers are **LC!** Hub: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-mashup-megathread.3711916/post-10193692

/challenge [Gen 9] NFE @@@Godly Gift Mod, !Sleep Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, !Terastal Clause, -Basculin-White-Striped, -Chansey, -Duraludon, -Electabuzz, -Haunter, -Magmar, -Scyther, -Sneasel, -Sneasel-Hisui, -Bisharp, -Ursaring, -Tandemaus, -Light Ball, -Huge Power, -Sticky Web, *Aipom, *Arctibax, *Bayleef, *Braixen, *Brionne, *Carkol, *Charjabug, *Charmeleon, *Clefairy, *Combusken, *Corvisquire, *Cosmoem, *Crocalor, *Croconaw, *Cutiefly, *Dartrix, *Dewott, *Diglett-Base, *Dolliv, *Dragonair, *Drakloak, *Drizzile, *Dunsparce, *Duosion, *Dusclops, *Eelektrik, *Flaaffy, *Fletchinder, *Flittle, *Floette, *Floragato, *Fraxure, *Frogadier, *Gabite, *Gastly, *Girafarig, *Gligar, *Gloom, *Gothorita, *Graveler, *Graveler-Alola, *Grotle, *Grovyle, *Hakamo-o, *Hattrem, *Ivysaur, *Jigglypuff, *Kirlia, *Krokorok, *Kubfu, *Lampent, *Lombre, *Luxio, *Marill, *Marshtomp, *Meditite, *Meowth-Base, *Metang, *Misdreavus, *Monferno, *Morgrem, *Munchlax, *Murkrow, *Naclstack, *Nuzleaf, *Pawmo, *Pignite, *Pikachu, *Piloswine, *Poliwhirl, *Porygon, *Prinplup, *Pupitar, *Quaxwell, *Quilava, *Quilladin, *Raboot, *Rufflet, *Scraggy, *Seadra, *Servine, *Shelgon, *Skiploom, *Skrelp, *Sliggoo, *Sliggoo-Hisui, *Snivy, *Spewpa, *Stantler, *Staravia, *Steenee, *Swadloon, *Tinkatuff, *Thwackey, *Torracat, *Trumbeak, *Vibrava, *Vigoroth, *Voltorb-Hisui, *Vulpix-Alola, *Wartortle, *Weepinbell, *Yanma, *Zweilous, *Dipplin, *Gurdurr, *Magneton, *Porygon2, *Primeape, *Qwilfish-Hisui, *Rhydon, *Vulpix, Limit One Restricted, adjustlevel=5
 
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:flutter mane: Revelationmons BH :ho-oh:
Been cooking up some metas, well heres Rev BH. Have fun!


/challenge [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons @@@-Boomburst,-Moongeist Beam,-Sunsteel Strike,-Rising Voltage,-Population Bomb,-Victory Dance,*Surging Strikes,*Wicked Blow,*Gigaton Hammer,*Triple Arrows,*Thunderous Kick,*Extreme Speed,*V-Create,Revelationmons Mod

/tour new [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Revelationmons BH
/tour rules -Boomburst,-Moongeist Beam,-Sunsteel Strike,-Rising Voltage,-Population Bomb,-Victory Dance,*Surging Strikes,*Wicked Blow,*Gigaton Hammer,*Triple Arrows,*Thunderous Kick,*Extreme Speed,*V-Create,Revelationmons Mod
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4

Standard BH bans and a few others:
:Dudunsparce: Boomburst
:Lunala: Moongeist Beam
:Solgaleo: Sunsteel Strike
:raging bolt: Rising Voltage
:Maushold: Population Bomb
:lilligant-hisui: Victory Dance

Restricted moves are moves that you can't put in the first two slots. This is mainly due to them being too strong when used as a different type, but are fine with their normal types.
:urshifu-rapid-strike: Surging Strikes
:urshifu: Wicked Blow
:tinkaton: Gigaton Hammer
:decidueye-hisui: Triple Arrows
:zapdos-galar: Thunderous Kick
:dragonite: Extreme Speed
:victini: V-Create

Without Moongeist Beam/Sunsteel Strike, Furscales becomes hard to deal with, hence why they are on the watchlist.
:Furfrou: Fur Coat
:Frosmoth: Ice Scales
:indeedee: Expanding Force
:greninja-ash: Water Spout
:torkoal: Eruption
:regidrago: Dragon Energy
:electrode-hisui: Chloroblast
:goodra-hisui: Steel Beam
:skeledirge: Torch Song
:glimmora: Mortal Spin
:toxtricity-low-key: Nuzzle

DateTiering
9/29/2024Tier Established
4/2025 (forgot the exact date)Banned Rising Voltage and Population Bomb. Added Expanding Force, Water Spout, Eruption, and Dragon Energy to the Watchlist.
5/14/2025Banned Victory Dance. Restricted Surging Strikes, Wicked Blow, Gigaton Hammer, Triple Arrows, and Thunderous Kick. Added Chloroblast, Steel Beam, Torch Song, Mortal Spin, and Nuzzle to the Watchlist. Removed Expanding Force from the Watchlist.
5/20/2025Restricted Extreme Speed and V-Create
 
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Revelationmons BH
Been cooking up some metas, well heres Rev BH. Have fun!

:boldore: aidan amoongus

/challenge [user],gen9balancedhackmons@@@-Moongeist Beam,-Sunsteel Strike,-Photon Geyser,Revelationmons Mod

/tour new [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons,Elimination,,,[Gen 9] Revelationmons BH
/tour rules -Boomburst,-Moongeist Beam,-Sunsteel Strike,-Photon Geyser,Revelationmons Mod
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 4
/wall This is Balanced Hackmons with Revelationmons Mod

Edit 1: HOW DID I FORGET BOOMBURST 140 BASE POWER MOVE NO SIREE

Standard BH bans and a few others:
:Dudunsparce: Boomburst
:Lunala: Moongeist Beam
:Solgaleo: Sunsteel Strike
:Necrozma-Ultra: Photon Geyser

Without Moongeist/Sunsteel/Photon, Furscales becomes hard to deal with, hence why they are on the watchlist.
:Furfrou: Fur Coat
:Frosmoth: Ice Scales
Bh already bans photon so no need for to specify it, and the chall code is still missing boomburst, otherwise seems cool
 
Camove Chaos is implementing Type Team Preview!
Clas
Result
Implement
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Abstain​
No​
Yes​
Implemented (7-1-1)​

Pretty simple reason, just makes the tier more beginner-friendly, Camomons is considering implementing it as well, and helps reduce cheese surprise factor without directly nerfing anything. This does technically hurt offensive playstyles, but also knowing what the defensive Pokemon's type(s) is/are is a huge boon for offensive Pokemon as well. This should have honestly been implemented months ago, if not years, and so we're finally doing it.

/challenge nationaldex@@@!Obtainable Moves,!Team Preview,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Team Type Preview,Terastal Clause,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Burning Bulwark,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Electro Shot,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Stored Power,-Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Comfey,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Kartana,-Komala,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zoroark,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base
 
Camove Chaos is implementing Type Team Preview!
Clas
Result
Implement
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Abstain​
No​
Yes​
Implemented (7-1-1)​

Pretty simple reason, just makes the tier more beginner-friendly, Camomons is considering implementing it as well, and helps reduce cheese surprise factor without directly nerfing anything. This does technically hurt offensive playstyles, but also knowing what the defensive Pokemon's type(s) is/are is a huge boon for offensive Pokemon as well. This should have honestly been implemented months ago, if not years, and so we're finally doing it.

/challenge nationaldex@@@!Obtainable Moves,!Team Preview,Camomons Mod,CFZ Clause,Sleep Moves Clause,Team Type Preview,Terastal Clause,-Belly Drum,-Bolt Beak,-Boomburst,-Burning Bulwark,-Ceaseless Edge,-Chatter,-Clangorous Soul,-Dire Claw,-Double Iron Bash,-Dragon Energy,-Eruption,-Extreme Speed,-Electrify,-Electro Shot,-Final Gambit,-Fillet Away,-Fishious Rend,-Geomancy,-Jet Punch,-Lumina Crash,-No Retreat,-Octolock,-Population Bomb,-Power Trip,-Quiver Dance,-Rage Fist,-Revival Blessing,-Salt Cure,-Shell Smash,-Shift Gear,-Stored Power,-Surging Strikes,-Tail Glow,-Take Heart,-Thousand Arrows,-Transform,-Triple Arrows,-V-Create,-Victory Dance,-Water Spout,-Wicked Blow,-Aerodactyl-Mega,-Beedrill-Mega,-Comfey,-Dondozo,-Enamorus,-Kartana,-Komala,-Mawile-Mega,-Medicham-Mega,-Porygon-Z,-Sceptile-Mega,-Serperior,-Tapu Koko,-Ting Lu,-Ursaluna-Base,-Xurkitree,-Zoroark,-Regenerator > 2,-Smooth Rock,-Heat Rock,-Damp Rock,+Blazing Torque,+Combat Torque,+Light of Ruin,+Magical Torque,+Noxious Torque,+Wicked Torque,+Annihilape,+Baxcalibur,+Blastoise-Mega,+Darkrai,+Deoxys-Speed,+Dracovish,+Dragapult,+Espathra,+Gholdengo,+Iron Bundle,+Kingambit,+Magearna,+Naganadel,+Ogerpon-Hearthflame,+Roaring Moon,+Shaymin-Sky,+Terapagos,+Ursaluna-Bloodmoon,+Urshifu,+Walking Wake,+Zygarde-Base
Ugh me when I try to bait psystrike onto my Dark/Poison Glowking
 
Camove teams from TPP. Playing Camove in a forum tour was a fun experience and I'm pretty happy with my record, though sometimes I felt teambuilding was too streamlined with everything you have to prepare for to maximize consistency. More on that in the text box at the bottom of this post.

W1 (L) - :mabosstiff::gumshoos::alomomola::blissey::hatterene::ditto: - Game
Decided to run 2 Stakeout because I want that dumbass ability out of the tier and I expected stall from Tech. Unfortunately, I brought the wrong paste to the actual game, with Alomomola supposed to be Wish > Twaves. With nothing to heal my Stakeout bots I couldn't win before my opponent did.

W2 (W) - :gliscor::toxapex::blissey::coalossal::regirock::cresselia: - Game
I didn't think Euph had touched the meta in a while, and therefore they'd be reliant on their support (TTLT) for building. I knew TTLT likes using Bloodmoon (broken af btw) as a stall countermeasure, hence Poison/Electric Cress. Steel/Flying Regen's tough to fit but it's insanely good when you can because it almost hardcounters RegenVest bots that people like to spam. Autowon off preview.

W3 (W) - :ursaluna-bloodmoon::alomomola::coalossal::pidgeot-mega::alakazam::blissey: - Game
I know Advt likes fat-ish structures so I brought Psystrike Bloodmoon which is basically unwallable without Unaware (garbage almost everywhere) or some super specialized mon like fast Poison/Steel Cress with Haze. Pidgeot spreads para, slowing defensive foes down to where Bloodmoon can outspeed them. Bloodmoon basically 6-0ed because my opponent didn't adequately prep for it.

W4 (W) - Game
Reused my W3 team because I've seen THR hardcteam stall a few times before in roomtours, and felt confident enough that I could just bring whatever and outplay. Not much to say about the actual game, I KOed 5 mons early on and stalled out the sixth.

W5 (W) - :kyurem::shaymin-sky::alomomola::coalossal::blissey::cresselia: - Game
I was pretty unsure about what to bring this week since in my mind Akira was my hardest matchup. Brought Aqua Step Kyurem since it's goofy, Shaymin because it's goofier, and a defensive backbone that handles close to everything. Kyurem autowon off preview.

Semis (W) - :gliscor::coalossal::cresselia::blissey::regirock::clodsire: - Game
I wanted something that could beat both goofy offense and stall, and Superman stall was the solution. Poison/Steel Cress because I brought Poison/Electric in week 2 which was susceptible to Psystrike Bloodmoon, which I fully expected someone to bring at this point. Coming up with answers to NP Zard Y, commonly seen Sun HO mons, and robust Alakazam checks was much harder than countering Bloodmoon, but after a few roomtours I decided on SpD Ghost/Steel Coalossal and Dragon/Fairy Clod. Autowon off preview.

Finals (W) - :gliscor::toxapex::blissey::coalossal::regirock::tornadus-therian: - Game
Literally just a modified version of my w2 team, with Scarf Torn-T to scare the goofy stallbreakers I expected TTLT to bring. Fire/Grass Regirock walls everything except Rock move Darmanitan/Kleavor which Coalossal can barely handle at +0 with Leftovers but gets ripped through with boosts. I'd definitely have ran Steel/Dragon or Steel/Grass Pex if I spent more time on this team, since in the actual game it couldn't do a whole lot due to being threatened by Latias' Thunder Cage. The actual game was pretty slow but TTLT's misclick just accelerated what would've been an accumulation of gradual progress. This is definitely one of the less solid teams I used.

Finals Tiebreak (L) - :rhydon::ursaluna-bloodmoon::alomomola::blissey::shaymin-sky::coalossal: - Game
Speedbuilt something in 10 minutes that'd win against STAB Bolt Strike Darm and long-term win against slower-paced teams like the one TTLT brought the previous week. Shaymin's definitely uncompetitive and arguably broken, I've swept with this set way too often to consider it just a random cheese option. Got HO'ed and autolost off preview, which brings us to the next part of this post.

I think the meta's at a suboptimal spot from a competitive standpoint, where games are relatively matchup-based and, as a result, the most consistent teams are mostly stall or very bulky balances. This is cause and effect, not two separate problems that have to be dealt with independently – some of the breakers in the meta simply cannot be reasonably accounted for in the builder without dedicating a large number of (>=4) slots to defensive Pokemon that collectively switch into the vast majority of the meta. The first two examples that come to my head are Darmanitan and Zard Y, since they have frankly ridiculous damage output while not being horribly slow. I remember playing in a roomtour and unboosted neutral STAB Bolt Strike from Darmanitan dealt 57% to fully invested Regirock; in matchups like this, where even your dedicated check is 2HKOed, with reasonably good play (which isn't always exhibited in roomtour/even forum tour games for a relatively small meta) you'll be forced into a sack-and-revenge cycle that you can't do much about besides attempting to break through your opponent's defenses faster than they can break through yours. You might have a random breaker that the opponent doesn't have a reliable switch-in for, while the opponent does not (near automatically making your matchup extremely advantageous). Or they might have one that happens to 2HKO your entire team, while you don't. This is all decided in the builder. This is how a matchup fest metagame manifests itself. The solution, of course, is to make sure scenarios like the one I described above happens as little as possible by building something primarily defensive that grants you a good gameplan against almost everything, thus being consistent. Notice how I brought Blissey 8/8 games, and Coalossal 7/8 games – balances with them are far more consistent due to not needing to leverage resistances thanks to its bulk.

As a council member I don't think this problem can be fully addressed, due to the nature of a Camomons mashup, but I think headway can be made by banning the most egregious wallbreakers that lack a variety of good defensive counterplay, that can tech for the few switch-ins they have. Darmanitan's the easiest example to point to, but Zard Y, Stakeout users, Ursaluna-BM, Raging Bolt in Sun, and to an extent Alakazam, Hoopa-U, and Mega Scizor need to be looked at to allow structures outside of stall to breathe. Also consider banning Kleavor as it's a marginally weaker/slower Darm that's also physically bulkier. I'll single out Bloodmoon here because it's unique in that it takes advantage of completely unresisted STAB combinations (with Mind's Eye) to force defensive counterplay via both raw stats and a typing that's not hit by common complements to Secret Sword (doesn't take too much from Astral Barrage, Blood Moon/Tera Starstorm, Oblivion Wing, etc.), and therefore it's unreasonable to expect a truly diverse metagame when most teams have to find a way to defensively account for Bloodmoon specifically. Some overtuned moves that allow multiple such breakers to bypass most of their checks (Astral Barrage, Gigaton Hammer, Pursuit) should also be looked into. If that's not enough, ban Stone Axe so Magic Bounce is generally good counterplay against fat hazard setters. Tools for dismantling defensive counterplay, like Taunt sweepers, Thunder Cage guys, Choiced sweepers with Trick, etc. are usable but would be significantly better if teams didn't have to focus on surviving in the short-term. Lastly, ban Shaymin-Sky, Unburden, and preferably Skill Swap Slaking. I've ran Coil/Discharge/Mountain Gale/Substitute Skymin for a few games in roomtours and it's arguably straight broken and definitely uncompetitive, while Unburden and Slaking with self-Ability removal are matchup fishes that close to autowin due to matchup. To an extent Unburden is a meta set but it minimizes the playing skill component of the game (thanks to outspeeding everything after a boost) and makes bulky balance, which in a healthy metagame would be the most dominant archetype, an annoyance to run.

Tl;dr: I think Camove's a matchup fest meta right now and banning dummy strong breakers/hax-reliant mons/matchup fishes preying on balance/maybe Stone Axe will somewhat alleviate that. Instead of making stall even more dominant, as assumed by many, this would allow for greater team variety, and consequently more opportunities to run mons that take advantage of passive fat do-nothings.

BAN (in order of severity imo):
Darmanitan
Hoopa-Unbound
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Stakeout
Charizard-Mega-Y
Shaymin-Sky
Astral Barrage
Gigaton Hammer
Kyurem
Scizor-Mega
Raging Bolt

Borderline:
Alakazam
Pursuit
Unburden
Stone Axe?
Oblivion Wing?
Gardevoir-Mega?
Rising Voltage?
Kleavor?
Bolt Strike?
 
Camove teams from TPP. Playing Camove in a forum tour was a fun experience and I'm pretty happy with my record, though sometimes I felt teambuilding was too streamlined with everything you have to prepare for to maximize consistency. More on that in the text box at the bottom of this post.

W1 (L) - :mabosstiff::gumshoos::alomomola::blissey::hatterene::ditto: - Game
Decided to run 2 Stakeout because I want that dumbass ability out of the tier and I expected stall from Tech. Unfortunately, I brought the wrong paste to the actual game, with Alomomola supposed to be Wish > Twaves. With nothing to heal my Stakeout bots I couldn't win before my opponent did.

W2 (W) - :gliscor::toxapex::blissey::coalossal::regirock::cresselia: - Game
I didn't think Euph had touched the meta in a while, and therefore they'd be reliant on their support (TTLT) for building. I knew TTLT likes using Bloodmoon (broken af btw) as a stall countermeasure, hence Poison/Electric Cress. Steel/Flying Regen's tough to fit but it's insanely good when you can because it almost hardcounters RegenVest bots that people like to spam. Autowon off preview.

W3 (W) - :ursaluna-bloodmoon::alomomola::coalossal::pidgeot-mega::alakazam::blissey: - Game
I know Advt likes fat-ish structures so I brought Psystrike Bloodmoon which is basically unwallable without Unaware (garbage almost everywhere) or some super specialized mon like fast Poison/Steel Cress with Haze. Pidgeot spreads para, slowing defensive foes down to where Bloodmoon can outspeed them. Bloodmoon basically 6-0ed because my opponent didn't adequately prep for it.

W4 (W) - Game
Reused my W3 team because I've seen THR hardcteam stall a few times before in roomtours, and felt confident enough that I could just bring whatever and outplay. Not much to say about the actual game, I KOed 5 mons early on and stalled out the sixth.

W5 (W) - :kyurem::shaymin-sky::alomomola::coalossal::blissey::cresselia: - Game
I was pretty unsure about what to bring this week since in my mind Akira was my hardest matchup. Brought Aqua Step Kyurem since it's goofy, Shaymin because it's goofier, and a defensive backbone that handles close to everything. Kyurem autowon off preview.

Semis (W) - :gliscor::coalossal::cresselia::blissey::regirock::clodsire: - Game
I wanted something that could beat both goofy offense and stall, and Superman stall was the solution. Poison/Steel Cress because I brought Poison/Electric in week 2 which was susceptible to Psystrike Bloodmoon, which I fully expected someone to bring at this point. Coming up with answers to NP Zard Y, commonly seen Sun HO mons, and robust Alakazam checks was much harder than countering Bloodmoon, but after a few roomtours I decided on SpD Ghost/Steel Coalossal and Dragon/Fairy Clod. Autowon off preview.

Finals (W) - :gliscor::toxapex::blissey::coalossal::regirock::tornadus-therian: - Game
Literally just a modified version of my w2 team, with Scarf Torn-T to scare the goofy stallbreakers I expected TTLT to bring. Fire/Grass Regirock walls everything except Rock move Darmanitan/Kleavor which Coalossal can barely handle at +0 with Leftovers but gets ripped through with boosts. I'd definitely have ran Steel/Dragon or Steel/Grass Pex if I spent more time on this team, since in the actual game it couldn't do a whole lot due to being threatened by Latias' Thunder Cage. The actual game was pretty slow but TTLT's misclick just accelerated what would've been an accumulation of gradual progress. This is definitely one of the less solid teams I used.

Finals Tiebreak (L) - :rhydon::ursaluna-bloodmoon::alomomola::blissey::shaymin-sky::coalossal: - Game
Speedbuilt something in 10 minutes that'd win against STAB Bolt Strike Darm and long-term win against slower-paced teams like the one TTLT brought the previous week. Shaymin's definitely uncompetitive and arguably broken, I've swept with this set way too often to consider it just a random cheese option. Got HO'ed and autolost off preview, which brings us to the next part of this post.

I think the meta's at a suboptimal spot from a competitive standpoint, where games are relatively matchup-based and, as a result, the most consistent teams are mostly stall or very bulky balances. This is cause and effect, not two separate problems that have to be dealt with independently – some of the breakers in the meta simply cannot be reasonably accounted for in the builder without dedicating a large number of (>=4) slots to defensive Pokemon that collectively switch into the vast majority of the meta. The first two examples that come to my head are Darmanitan and Zard Y, since they have frankly ridiculous damage output while not being horribly slow. I remember playing in a roomtour and unboosted neutral STAB Bolt Strike from Darmanitan dealt 57% to fully invested Regirock; in matchups like this, where even your dedicated check is 2HKOed, with reasonably good play (which isn't always exhibited in roomtour/even forum tour games for a relatively small meta) you'll be forced into a sack-and-revenge cycle that you can't do much about besides attempting to break through your opponent's defenses faster than they can break through yours. You might have a random breaker that the opponent doesn't have a reliable switch-in for, while the opponent does not (near automatically making your matchup extremely advantageous). Or they might have one that happens to 2HKO your entire team, while you don't. This is all decided in the builder. This is how a matchup fest metagame manifests itself. The solution, of course, is to make sure scenarios like the one I described above happens as little as possible by building something primarily defensive that grants you a good gameplan against almost everything, thus being consistent. Notice how I brought Blissey 8/8 games, and Coalossal 7/8 games – balances with them are far more consistent due to not needing to leverage resistances thanks to its bulk.

As a council member I don't think this problem can be fully addressed, due to the nature of a Camomons mashup, but I think headway can be made by banning the most egregious wallbreakers that lack a variety of good defensive counterplay, that can tech for the few switch-ins they have. Darmanitan's the easiest example to point to, but Zard Y, Stakeout users, Ursaluna-BM, Raging Bolt in Sun, and to an extent Alakazam, Hoopa-U, and Mega Scizor need to be looked at to allow structures outside of stall to breathe. Also consider banning Kleavor as it's a marginally weaker/slower Darm that's also physically bulkier. I'll single out Bloodmoon here because it's unique in that it takes advantage of completely unresisted STAB combinations (with Mind's Eye) to force defensive counterplay via both raw stats and a typing that's not hit by common complements to Secret Sword (doesn't take too much from Astral Barrage, Blood Moon/Tera Starstorm, Oblivion Wing, etc.), and therefore it's unreasonable to expect a truly diverse metagame when most teams have to find a way to defensively account for Bloodmoon specifically. Some overtuned moves that allow multiple such breakers to bypass most of their checks (Astral Barrage, Gigaton Hammer, Pursuit) should also be looked into. If that's not enough, ban Stone Axe so Magic Bounce is generally good counterplay against fat hazard setters. Tools for dismantling defensive counterplay, like Taunt sweepers, Thunder Cage guys, Choiced sweepers with Trick, etc. are usable but would be significantly better if teams didn't have to focus on surviving in the short-term. Lastly, ban Shaymin-Sky, Unburden, and preferably Skill Swap Slaking. I've ran Coil/Discharge/Mountain Gale/Substitute Skymin for a few games in roomtours and it's arguably straight broken and definitely uncompetitive, while Unburden and Slaking with self-Ability removal are matchup fishes that close to autowin due to matchup. To an extent Unburden is a meta set but it minimizes the playing skill component of the game (thanks to outspeeding everything after a boost) and makes bulky balance, which in a healthy metagame would be the most dominant archetype, an annoyance to run.

Tl;dr: I think Camove's a matchup fest meta right now and banning dummy strong breakers/hax-reliant mons/matchup fishes preying on balance/maybe Stone Axe will somewhat alleviate that. Instead of making stall even more dominant, as assumed by many, this would allow for greater team variety, and consequently more opportunities to run mons that take advantage of passive fat do-nothings.

BAN (in order of severity imo):
Darmanitan
Hoopa-Unbound
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Stakeout
Charizard-Mega-Y
Shaymin-Sky
Astral Barrage
Gigaton Hammer
Kyurem
Scizor-Mega
Raging Bolt

Borderline:
Alakazam
Pursuit
Unburden
Stone Axe?
Oblivion Wing?
Gardevoir-Mega?
Rising Voltage?
Kleavor?
Bolt Strike?

Me when the final thoughts of the stall guy are banning a lot of offensive things (they are broken, but it´s worth the risk?)

Also, The Hisui Region... Yu dum
 
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