
Indeedee-M was initially quick-banned due to its amazing speed tier in a metagame already dominated by fast, powerful Psychic-types. Indeedee's deep movepool leads to unreliable initial counterplay and high variance at a point of high contention in the tier due to NU Swiss top cut starting and NU Open right around the corner. Psychic Surge not only further boosts Indeedee-M, but also potential teammates like Bruxish and Medicham that can be used in tandem to overwhelm shared checks, as well as blocking priority moves like Cacturne's and Zoroark's Sucker Punch from being used as a form of offensive counterplay.
Although plenty of Psychic resists are used to deal with preexisting Psychic-types like Bruxish and Medicham, Indeedee-M has a host of both utility and coverage options that the aforementioned two and others lack. Trick with a Choice item can completely debilitate special walls like Umbreon and Chansey. Tera Blast, which functions as STAB even without Terastallizing, can give Indeedee the coverage it needs to easily beat down would-be checks like Assault Vest Perrserker and Tera Steel Eelektross. Dark-types like Bombirdier, Mabosstiff, and the aforementioned Umbreon can have their positive matchup against Indeedee completely flipped by a Tera-boosted Dazzling Gleam, or even become setup fodder to a Calm Mind + Tera Draining Kiss set.
Despite all the "on paper" merits that Indeedee has, the current metagame is admittedly already quite hostile to Psychic-types, as seen by Bruxish and Medicham. Plenty of Pokemon already run Tera Steel or Tera Dark, both of which can allow most to suddenly sponge any hit from Indeedee and retaliate back much harder. Beyond using Terastallization, which creates a slippery slope for counterplay discussion, NU is teeming with both offensive and defensive Dark-types like Cacturne, Mabosstiff, Umbreon, and Zoroark, which all prevent Indeedee from using its powerful Psychic moves. Special pivots like Assault Vest Eelektross and Perrserker can sponge a hit or two from Indeedee, although they must be wary of a respective Psyshock or specific type Tera Blast.
Interestingly enough, Indeedee-M's female counterpart has proven to be quite underwhelming in the current metagame, despite having seemingly very small differences between each other. The difference in Speed stats is the most crucial element between the two genders, with Indeedee-M outpacing very relevant speedsters like Oricorio, Bruxish, and Vivillon, making it a great Choice Scarf user. While Indeedee-F does outspeed Passimian, its more defensively-oriented stat distribution made it a less-than-ideal choice in NU.
Overall, Indeedee-M's quick-ban was mostly a cautionary practice to keep a stable metagame in the heat of multiple tournaments, but its presence does of course raise some concerns for the tier; despite its amazing speed and power, its offensive typing is less than ideal, and there's quite a few Dark-types and standard Tera Dark Pokemon ready to absorb Terrain-boosted Psychics. Indeedee-M has plenty of tools at its disposal to deal with traditional checks, but interactions with tech used by a frail Pokemon are often purely speculative, hence a suspect test!
- Reading this is mandatory for participating in the suspect test. The voting requirements are a minimum GXE of 79 with at least 50 games played. In addition, you may play 1 less game for every 0.2 GXE you have above 79 GXE, down to a minimum of 30 games at a GXE of 83. Also, needing more than 50 games to reach 79 GXE will suffice. **It is now 79 GXE**
GXE | minimum games |
79 | 50 |
79.2 | 49 |
79.4 | 48 |
79.6 | 47 |
79.8 | 46 |
80 | 45 |
80.2 | 44 |
80.4 | 43 |
80.6 | 42 |
80.8 | 41 |
81 | 40 |
81.2 | 39 |
81.4 | 38 |
81.6 | 37 |
81.8 | 36 |
82 | 35 |
82.2 | 34 |
82.4 | 33 |
82.6 | 32 |
82.8 | 31 |
83 | 30 |
- You must signup with a newly registered account on Pokemon Showdown! that begins with the appropriate prefix for the suspect test. For this suspect test, the prefix will be NUAF For example, I might signup with the ladder account NUAF Tog
- Laddering with an account that impersonates, mocks, or insults another Smogon user or breaks Pokemon Showdown! rules may be disqualified from voting and infracted. Moderator discretion will be applied here. If there is any doubt or hesitance when making the alt, just pick another name. There are infinite possibilities and we have had trouble for this repeatedly. If you wish to participate in the suspect, you should be able to exhibit decent enough judgement here. We will not be lenient.
- We will be using the regular NU ladder for this suspect test. We will not be creating a new Suspect Ladder. At the beginning of every battle, there will be an announcement denoting the ongoing suspect with a link to this thread.
- The aspects being tested, Indeedee-M, will be allowed on the ladder.
- Any form of voting manipulation will result in swift and severe punishment. You are more than welcome to state your argument to as many people as you so please, but do not use any kind of underhanded tactics to get a result you desire. Bribery, blackmail, or any other type of tactic used to sway votes will be handled and sanctioned.
- Do not attempt to cheat the ladder. We will know if you did not actually achieve voting requisites, so don't do it. Harsh sanctions will be applied.
- The suspect test will go on for two weeks, lasting until Friday, May 19th @ 11:59pm (GMT-4), and then we will put up the voting thread in the Blind Voting subforum.
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