Chloe
NUPL Champion
No, one red orb per team.I have a question
are red orb groudon and red orb something else allowed on the same team?
No, one red orb per team.I have a question
are red orb groudon and red orb something else allowed on the same team?
Gonna address the Mega Gengar point as Samples needing an update desperately has been an issue for over a year now but anywaysWhen are Samples gonna be updated? And which ones will be added?
It has been a long while in the coming, and seems to be quite essential to help beginners. To assist, I'll compile all the teams ^^
LIST of TEAMS:
https://pokepast.es/f7a692724f4599aa RP Pdon Offense by Chazmic
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/crossing-fields-1-peak-a-mnm-rmt.3650320/ Crossing Fields by TectonicDestroyer
https://pokepast.es/5df7c4c571d8e10a Electric Webs by Stresh
https://pokepast.es/e561bcd7baf9faa9 Mark K Modern Webs
https://pokepast.es/c00880b64f497e1e Smeargle Webs by TheSecondBest
PM ME IF I MISSED ONE. All teams with lando (e.g. Geerat webs) are omitted.
Not important, but second querry
2. Unbanning MGar?
The STag Ban was mainly for Gothielle, which completely walls much of the stally metagame. However, MGar seems to be not close to as powerful, and maybe a suspect for unbanning it be allowed?
Tagging Quantum Tesseract
How did I miss that post about a Stag retestGonna address the Mega Gengar point as Samples needing an update desperately has been an issue for over a year now but anyways
I really don't wanna get into the whole issue of Mega Gengar itself and whether or not it's uncompetitive by virtue of Shadow Tag since it's been a long drawn out argument ever since the Shadow Tag ban, but I'll just leave it at I don't think Mega Gengar is an exception to Shadow Tag's uncompetitiveness, Mega Gengar can still find ways to trap bulkier and slower Pokemon, which in a meta like Mix and Mega where the power creep is so high could easily be the decider in games. (the majority of the council shares this view as well so I highly doubt a Shadow Tag retest will ever be considered.) The last time we voted on a Shadow Tag retest, the votes were pretty hard against it, and the decision was based on principle rather than the metagame itself, so shifts since then haven't effected our views.
More importantly against a Shadow Tag retest, I believe that the meta is in a really good place right now. There aren't any threats that pop out as broken at the moment (which could always change by the end of Generation 7). Given that, I think a suspect or retest in any capacity is unnecessary with only a few months left in the generation unless they're absolutely needed. In Generation 8 Shadow Tag will likely be unbanned, with Mega Gengar along with it, which is a much more plausible way to reassess it's effect on the metagame rather than further argument on an ability that we already decided was uncompetitive in this generation's metagame.
SAMPLE TEAMS
Rules for Posting:
Format for posting:
- Be sure to test the team you post in tournaments and on the ladder. This isn't an absolute rule, but teams should have reached at least top 20 in the ladder, and a GXE of 70+ shouldn't be too much to ask for.
- Be sure this team is easy to pick up on and newer players can still use it and learn. Your team could be amazing, the best ever, but if it's too hard to play with unless you're experienced, it's not going to be allowed.
- Posting replays also will help people see how to play with your team (not required, but is recommended.)
- Follow the proper format when posting. I'll fix minor errors, but don't make me completely rewrite it.
Playstyle (offense, stall, etc)
Team export (in hide tags)
Short description on how the team works.
Sample Teams:
-Zeraora Bulky Offense by In The Hills
-Altarianite Genesect Bulky Offense by Andyboy
-Rock Polish Primal Groudon Offense by Chazm
-Banettite Toxapex Balance by Andyboy
-Slowbro Balance by In The Hills
-Palossand Stall by Funbot28 and Pigeons
-Sticky Web Hyper Offense by xavgb
-Sticky Web Hyper Offense by Andyboy
Lunala is a big threat due to a lack of solid dark types in the tier, and Seismic Toss Blissey is walled by it. However, if you already have solid Lunala checks, Seismic Toss can be better due to its consistent damage.After looking at some of the sample teams, I have to ask: why ought one choose seismic toss or psywave over the other on Blissey? It has both across some of the teams. I'm assuming it's whether you want to check dark types or ghost types, but what in particular?
I want to add that another major flaw of Psywave is that you can't use Wish with Psywave.Lunala is a big threat due to a lack of solid dark types in the tier, and Seismic Toss Blissey is walled by it. However, if you already have solid Lunala checks, Seismic Toss can be better due to its consistent damage.
Use the last EV on spe def against SR. Magearna is a trouble for this pokemon, but it's a good pokemon anyway with a viable set .Hello guys
I'm starting in this meta now and want to share this:
Darkrai @ Sceptilite
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spacial Rend
- Sludge Bomb
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
Yes, it's 4x weak to fairy but... Darkrai can mega evolve and use STAB Spacial Rend (that It learns somehow, along with Roar of Time). Scpilite gives It base 160 speed and 175 SPatk. This thing is picking KOs for me, and 1v1oned sableye-blissey bc +6 Spacial Rend Hurts arround 70-80% with no crit.
I paired It with scarf lele to stop pixilate ESpeed and metagrossite Genesect (yet another mon that can megaevolve) for checking fairies.
Xerneas is Still a problem, any tips? Thanks :)
Sry for bad english
This is an interesting set, and I suppose it could be viable option. Obviously fairies are a huge issue, and your dragon stab clearly doesn’t help with that. Magearna is a much bigger threat to your overall core than Xerneas imo, and Primal Groudon is a must for your team as a defensive fairy resist, as it can check Magearna and Xerneas.Hello guys
I'm starting in this meta now and want to share this:
Darkrai @ Sceptilite
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spacial Rend
- Sludge Bomb
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
Yes, it's 4x weak to fairy but... Darkrai can mega evolve and use STAB Spacial Rend (that It learns somehow, along with Roar of Time). Scpilite gives It base 160 speed and 175 SPatk. This thing is picking KOs for me, and 1v1oned sableye-blissey bc +6 Spacial Rend Hurts arround 70-80% with no crit.
I paired It with scarf lele to stop pixilate ESpeed and metagrossite Genesect (yet another mon that can megaevolve) for checking fairies.
Xerneas is Still a problem, any tips? Thanks :)
Sry for bad english
First of all, welcome to the Mix and Mega Meta! ^^Hello guys
I'm starting in this meta now and want to share this:
Darkrai @ Sceptilite
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spacial Rend
- Sludge Bomb
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
Yes, it's 4x weak to fairy but... Darkrai can mega evolve and use STAB Spacial Rend (that It learns somehow, along with Roar of Time). Scpilite gives It base 160 speed and 175 SPatk. This thing is picking KOs for me, and 1v1oned sableye-blissey bc +6 Spacial Rend Hurts arround 70-80% with no crit.
I paired It with scarf lele to stop pixilate ESpeed and metagrossite Genesect (yet another mon that can megaevolve) for checking fairies.
Xerneas is Still a problem, any tips? Thanks :)
Sry for bad english
could you post some replays against other players and bots?Hello guys
I'm starting in this meta now and want to share this:
Darkrai @ Sceptilite
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spacial Rend
- Sludge Bomb
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
Yes, it's 4x weak to fairy but... Darkrai can mega evolve and use STAB Spacial Rend (that It learns somehow, along with Roar of Time). Scpilite gives It base 160 speed and 175 SPatk. This thing is picking KOs for me, and 1v1oned sableye-blissey bc +6 Spacial Rend Hurts arround 70-80% with no crit.
I paired It with scarf lele to stop pixilate ESpeed and metagrossite Genesect (yet another mon that can megaevolve) for checking fairies.
Xerneas is Still a problem, any tips? Thanks :)
Sry for bad english
It'll get better as you get out of bottom ladder. There's not a lot that can practically be done about the bottom ladder of Mix and Mega, where people don't really understand the metagame.So I've started playing this tier a few days ago, using Lucarionite Tapu Lele, Altarianite Entei, and Sp. Def Arceus Water, plus an Aggronite Celebi set I made up with (probably not the first and there are probably much better options), Blue Orb Swellow (for accurate Hurricanes, it's not as helpful as I hoped it would be) and a Banettite Garchomp.
I keep running into a player with a team of mons holding their native Mega Stones, then quitting as soon as I Mega something, calling me a "glitcher noob"
I watched another battle of his and he kept insulting his opponents and calling them noobs. I felt bad for the guy at first but now, not so much since he's clearly a dick
Honestly low ladder MnM like that angry guy is just hilarious to watch. People just use awful sets and don’t seem to understand the “Mix” part of “Mix and Mega”.So I've started playing this tier a few days ago, using Lucarionite Tapu Lele, Altarianite Entei, and Sp. Def Arceus Water, plus an Aggronite Celebi set I made up with (probably not the first and there are probably much better options), Blue Orb Swellow (for accurate Hurricanes, it's not as helpful as I hoped it would be) and a Banettite Garchomp.
I keep running into a player with a team of mons holding their native Mega Stones, then quitting as soon as I Mega something, calling me a "glitcher noob"
I watched another battle of his and he kept insulting his opponents and calling them noobs. I felt bad for the guy at first but now, not so much since he's clearly a dick
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Groudon | 148 | 57.36% | 52.70% |
| 2 | Magearna | 118 | 45.74% | 49.15% |
| - | Arceus-* | 116 | 44.96% | 50.00% |
| 3 | Zygarde | 113 | 43.80% | 50.44% |
| 4 | Kartana | 82 | 31.78% | 42.68% |
| 5 | Lunala | 62 | 24.03% | 64.52% |
| 6 | Mew | 61 | 23.64% | 49.18% |
| 7 | Terrakion | 48 | 18.60% | 62.50% |
| 8 | Mandibuzz | 45 | 17.44% | 51.11% |
| 9 | Entei | 44 | 17.05% | 45.45% |
| 10 | Arceus-Ground | 41 | 15.89% | 41.46% |
| 11 | Zeraora | 40 | 15.50% | 55.00% |
| 12 | Tapu Lele | 38 | 14.73% | 63.16% |
| 12 | Ho-Oh | 38 | 14.73% | 57.89% |
| 14 | Shuckle | 37 | 14.34% | 56.76% |
| 15 | Toxapex | 36 | 13.95% | 50.00% |
| 16 | Arceus-Fairy | 29 | 11.24% | 55.17% |
| 17 | Darkrai | 28 | 10.85% | 53.57% |
| 18 | Zapdos | 25 | 9.69% | 48.00% |
| 19 | Blissey | 21 | 8.14% | 61.90% |
| 19 | Buzzwole | 21 | 8.14% | 52.38% |
| 21 | Necrozma-Dusk-Mane | 17 | 6.59% | 70.59% |
| 21 | Kyogre | 17 | 6.59% | 41.18% |
| 21 | Xerneas | 17 | 6.59% | 41.18% |
| 24 | Xurkitree | 16 | 6.20% | 62.50% |
| 24 | Tyranitar | 16 | 6.20% | 37.50% |
| 26 | Ditto | 15 | 5.81% | 60.00% |
| 27 | Noivern | 14 | 5.43% | 35.71% |
| 28 | Slowbro | 13 | 5.04% | 84.62% |
| 28 | Genesect | 13 | 5.04% | 61.54% |
| 28 | Yveltal | 13 | 5.04% | 61.54% |
| 31 | Victini | 12 | 4.65% | 16.67% |
| 32 | Giratina-Origin | 11 | 4.26% | 72.73% |
| 32 | Excadrill | 11 | 4.26% | 63.64% |
| 32 | Arceus-Water | 11 | 4.26% | 54.55% |
| 32 | Hippowdon | 11 | 4.26% | 36.36% |
| 32 | Landorus | 11 | 4.26% | 36.36% |
| 37 | Skarmory | 10 | 3.88% | 50.00% |
| 38 | Weavile | 9 | 3.49% | 66.67% |
| 38 | Metagross | 9 | 3.49% | 55.56% |
| 38 | Gliscor | 9 | 3.49% | 11.11% |
| 41 | Arceus-Rock | 8 | 3.10% | 75.00% |
| 41 | Arceus | 8 | 3.10% | 62.50% |
| 41 | Manaphy | 8 | 3.10% | 50.00% |
| 41 | Mamoswine | 8 | 3.10% | 50.00% |
| 41 | Gyarados | 8 | 3.10% | 50.00% |
| 41 | Shaymin-Sky | 8 | 3.10% | 37.50% |
| 41 | Golisopod | 8 | 3.10% | 37.50% |
| 48 | Cobalion | 7 | 2.71% | 57.14% |
| 48 | Raikou | 7 | 2.71% | 42.86% |
| 48 | Tapu Koko | 7 | 2.71% | 14.29% |
| 51 | Salamence | 6 | 2.33% | 50.00% |
| 52 | Giratina | 5 | 1.94% | 60.00% |
| 52 | Arceus-Ghost | 5 | 1.94% | 40.00% |
| 52 | Arceus-Dragon | 5 | 1.94% | 40.00% |
| 55 | Mimikyu | 4 | 1.55% | 75.00% |
| 55 | Latias | 4 | 1.55% | 50.00% |
| 55 | Hoopa-Unbound | 4 | 1.55% | 25.00% |
| 55 | Azelf | 4 | 1.55% | 25.00% |
| 55 | Deoxys-Speed | 4 | 1.55% | 0.00% |
| 60 | Tangrowth | 3 | 1.16% | 33.33% |
| 60 | Tornadus-Therian | 3 | 1.16% | 33.33% |
| 60 | Volcarona | 3 | 1.16% | 33.33% |
| 60 | Zekrom | 3 | 1.16% | 33.33% |
| 60 | Meloetta | 3 | 1.16% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Garchomp | 2 | 0.78% | 100.00% |
| 65 | Celesteela | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Kyurem-White | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Kangaskhan | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Jirachi | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Deoxys-Attack | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Kyurem | 2 | 0.78% | 50.00% |
| 65 | Heatran | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Greninja | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Marshadow | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Blacephalon | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Doublade | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Ribombee | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Barbaracle | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Arceus-Flying | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Bisharp | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Ferrothorn | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 65 | Silvally | 2 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Flygon | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Umbreon | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Dugtrio | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Sharpedo | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Snorlax | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Moltres | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Roserade | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Froslass | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Clefable | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Muk-Alola | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Omastar | 1 | 0.39% | 100.00% |
| 83 | Lurantis | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Starmie | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Blaziken | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Keldeo | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Stakataka | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Thundurus-Therian | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Landorus-Therian | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Diggersby | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Porygon-Z | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Cloyster | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Salazzle | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Breloom | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Tapu Bulu | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Thundurus | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Virizion | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Beedrill | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Celebi | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Togekiss | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Palossand | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Avalugg | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Staraptor | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Accelgor | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Archeops | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Latios | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Dunsparce | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Haxorus | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Scizor | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Arceus-Dark | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Milotic | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Rotom-Wash | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Rayquaza | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
| 83 | Tangela | 1 | 0.39% | 0.00% |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Groudon | 49 | 58.33% | 53.06% |
| 2 | Magearna | 48 | 57.14% | 54.17% |
| - | Arceus-* | 45 | 53.57% | 53.33% |
| 3 | Zygarde | 34 | 40.48% | 32.35% |
| 4 | Lunala | 22 | 26.19% | 54.55% |
| 5 | Kartana | 21 | 25.00% | 28.57% |
| 6 | Mew | 20 | 23.81% | 50.00% |
| 7 | Terrakion | 19 | 22.62% | 63.16% |
| 8 | Mandibuzz | 18 | 21.43% | 44.44% |
| 9 | Zeraora | 16 | 19.05% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Tapu Lele | 15 | 17.86% | 66.67% |
| 10 | Arceus-Fairy | 15 | 17.86% | 53.33% |
| 12 | Shuckle | 14 | 16.67% | 42.86% |
| 13 | Ho-Oh | 13 | 15.48% | 46.15% |
| 14 | Xurkitree | 12 | 14.29% | 66.67% |
| 15 | Slowbro | 11 | 13.10% | 81.82% |
| 15 | Arceus-Ground | 11 | 13.10% | 45.45% |
| 17 | Blissey | 10 | 11.90% | 50.00% |
| 17 | Landorus | 10 | 11.90% | 40.00% |
| 19 | Ditto | 9 | 10.71% | 77.78% |
| 20 | Entei | 8 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 20 | Kyogre | 8 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 22 | Yveltal | 7 | 8.33% | 42.86% |
| 22 | Darkrai | 7 | 8.33% | 42.86% |
| 22 | Zapdos | 7 | 8.33% | 28.57% |
| 25 | Toxapex | 6 | 7.14% | 83.33% |
| 25 | Buzzwole | 6 | 7.14% | 66.67% |
| 25 | Tyranitar | 6 | 7.14% | 33.33% |
| 28 | Necrozma-Dusk-Mane | 5 | 5.95% | 80.00% |
| 28 | Xerneas | 5 | 5.95% | 40.00% |
| 28 | Arceus-Water | 5 | 5.95% | 20.00% |
| 31 | Arceus | 4 | 4.76% | 75.00% |
| 31 | Excadrill | 4 | 4.76% | 75.00% |
| 31 | Arceus-Rock | 4 | 4.76% | 75.00% |
| 31 | Noivern | 4 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 31 | Genesect | 4 | 4.76% | 25.00% |
| 36 | Hippowdon | 3 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 36 | Raikou | 3 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Giratina | 2 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 38 | Latias | 2 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 38 | Arceus-Ghost | 2 | 2.38% | 50.00% |
| 38 | Giratina-Origin | 2 | 2.38% | 50.00% |
| 38 | Volcarona | 2 | 2.38% | 50.00% |
| 38 | Gyarados | 2 | 2.38% | 50.00% |
| 38 | Victini | 2 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Metagross | 2 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Manaphy | 2 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Garchomp | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Clefable | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Arceus-Dragon | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Mamoswine | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Golisopod | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Zekrom | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Muk-Alola | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Omastar | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Weavile | 1 | 1.19% | 100.00% |
| 47 | Kyurem | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Arceus-Dark | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Bisharp | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Milotic | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Ferrothorn | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Rotom-Wash | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Rayquaza | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Tangela | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Deoxys-Speed | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Gliscor | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Silvally | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
| 47 | Meloetta | 1 | 1.19% | 0.00% |
Why use Ice Beam when Blizzard also always hits thanks to No Guard ?oh god CHANGE IT BACK CHANGE IT BACK GIVE IT 0 DEFENSES OR CHANGE IT BACK
Ah, yes, U-turn. That. Whatever, I'm confident Pidgeotite is a better stone for Pheromosa, especially since Ice Beam is an offensive move and U-turn isn't entirely offensive.
Pheromosa and Pidgeotite have been banned for a long time lolWhy use Ice Beam when Blizzard also always hits thanks to No Guard ?
Its just okay, really. Yeah the Explosion set smarts sometimes, but its nowhere near as capable as Therian, and attempts at using a special set struggle against the basic special walls.I think lando should be banned from having a stone like other ubers