(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

It's not that I don't want the galar fossils to be made correctly, it's just that I'm not really sure if they'd be that interesting.

Looking at the parts we have, they seem to be very simple, probably because they didn't want to fuse two super complex parts together, but unless their other half is somehow able to compensate (which I guess more possible with the draco and arcto pieces since they're the pokémon's behinds), I feel like their designs would be very... basic?
 
UninspiredLunch said:
I've never understood what the big deal was supposed to be with the stats, it's not like any of the starter lines are conceptually similar. Is every Electric type design a rehash because 90% of them use the same "high speed and spa" template? Also Typhlosion was arguably at its strongest in GSC with Thunderpunch.
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If anything I think it's weirder when the final evolutions of starters have different stat totals imo, given that they're meant to be on an equal footing.

Venusaur has a lower base stat total (525) than Blastoise (530), which itself has a lower base stat total than Charizard (534). The same pattern holds true for the Johto and Sinnoh starters. Swampert is inexplicably 5 points higher than the other two Hoenn starters, and Delphox is 4 points ahead of the other Kalos starters. Unova is the first region where all three starters are on par, and only Alola and Galar follow suit.

I get that it allows for a bit more creative freedom, but I've always found it an odd design choice. It's especially odd in the case of Venusaur and Meganium, which are generally held to be the least popular of their respective trios and so don't need another mark against them. The whole idea of the starter trio is that they're equally viable - some might be better against certain bosses, but they're all stronger than the Pokemon you catch on the early routes and your choice should be a free one. Making one starter noticeably stronger upsets the balance.
 
4-5 points higher is not a big deal imo, if a starter is more pleasant to use if you add a few more points, then you should always add those points
 
green_typhlosion said:
If anything I think it's weirder when the final evolutions of starters have different stat totals imo, given that they're meant to be on an equal footing.

Venusaur has a lower base stat total (525) than Blastoise (530), which itself has a lower base stat total than Charizard (534). The same pattern holds true for the Johto and Sinnoh starters. Swampert is inexplicably 5 points higher than the other two Hoenn starters, and Delphox is 4 points ahead of the other Kalos starters. Unova is the first region where all three starters are on par, and only Alola and Galar follow suit.

I get that it allows for a bit more creative freedom, but I've always found it an odd design choice. It's especially odd in the case of Venusaur and Meganium, which are generally held to be the least popular of their respective trios and so don't need another mark against them. The whole idea of the starter trio is that they're equally viable - some might be better against certain bosses, but they're all stronger than the Pokemon you catch on the early routes and your choice should be a free one. Making one starter noticeably stronger upsets the balance.
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Stat distribution matters way more than BST.
 
Lemingue said:
It's not that I don't want the galar fossils to be made correctly, it's just that I'm not really sure if they'd be that interesting.

Looking at the parts we have, they seem to be very simple, probably because they didn't want to fuse two super complex parts together, but unless their other half is somehow able to compensate (which I guess more possible with the draco and arcto pieces since they're the pokémon's behinds), I feel like their designs would be very... basic?
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it would be interesting if the "complete" version suddenly had the "rocky" elements all the other fossils have, I suppose.



That said even beyond interesting visuals I just don't think they are ever going to touch them or their concept again. They wanted mix & match dinosaurs as a different fossil flavor and that's that.
 
Dire Dire Docks said:
God, Johto is such a bizarre region in terms of stats. G/S/C's rough development really shows there. I mean, what the hell is up with Ledian? There's a theory that its Attack and Special Defense were accidentally swapped during development.
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Most of the GSC decisions range from pure incompetence to poorly executed inspired content.

No Mareep in Crystal=pure incompetence
Introducing two awesome types but locking most of them behind annoying hurdles/postgame distribution=poorly executed inspired content

Jessie & James must have been running the show.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
Stat distribution matters way more than BST.
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I'm aware of that but my point is it's an odd design choice to not simply make them uniform.

PokemonCrusader said:
No Mareep in Crystal=pure incompetence
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Agreed on the other point, but why is this specifically an incompetent design? It's not as if there aren't several other Electric-types available in Crystal.
 
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green_typhlosion said:
I'm aware of that but my point is it's an odd design choice to not simply make them uniform.



Agreed on the other point, but why is this specifically an incompetent design? It's not as if there aren't several other Electric-types available in Crystal.
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Mareep was introduced in Gen 2. It should have been available for Crystal. There was no logical reason to remove the lamb. The Gen 1 Electrics had their games to shine.
 
PokemonCrusader said:
Mareep was introduced in Gen 2. It should have been available for Crystal. There was no logical reason to remove the lamb. The Gen 1 Electrics had their games to shine.
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But every third game removes Pokemon, it's part of the format. Yellow made Weedle, Ekans, Koffing, and Meowth uncatchable. Emerald made Roselia and Meditite unavailable apropos of nothing. Platinum excluded Glameow and Stunky. Remoraid and Girafarig are similarly absent in Crystal.
 
Speaking of Glameow, how about how up until ORAS it was only available in Pearl? Unavailable in gen 5 apart from a special Funfest mission hidden grotto in W2, and then unavailable in XY. Going for National Dex completion? Good luck.

Meanwhile Stunky, Glameow's Diamond-exclusive counterpart, isn't available in gen 5 either apart from that same mission in B2, but is at least a normal, non-version-exclusive encounter in XY.
 
green_typhlosion said:
But every third game removes Pokemon, it's part of the format. Yellow made Weedle, Ekans, Koffing, and Meowth uncatchable. Emerald made Roselia and Meditite unavailable apropos of nothing. Platinum excluded Glameow and Stunky. Remoraid and Girafarig are similarly absent in Crystal.
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I think a lot of it is that Ampharos is both strong and readily available in a region where most of the Pokémon are either shit or not available until it's too late for them to be useful, and a lot of people use it as a result. This ain't no Route 1 garbage trash Pokémon, this is an important part of a lot of Johto teams.
 
Dire Dire Docks said:
I think a lot of it is that Ampharos is both strong and readily available in a region where most of the Pokémon are either shit or not available until it's too late for them to be useful, and a lot of people use it as a result. This ain't no Route 1 garbage trash Pokémon, this is an important part of a lot of Johto teams.
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I'm not defending the move to exclude it per se, it just seems odd to single that out as evidence of bad game design when it's a standard and accepted part of the version formula. Something had to be absent and this was it. For the record it always bugged me since Crystal was my first game and I couldn't get a Mareep until much later.

But it's not "incompetence". There are numerous other Electric options in the game (not just Gen I - Pichu, Elekid, Chinchou, and Raikou all say hi) and it's one of only three Gen II families to be missing from the game. DP having one sole Fire-type that wasn't your starter is incompetent game design. This isn't, and we all know there's a lot of other flaws to point at as regards GSC.
 
lucariomaster2 said:
Speaking of Glameow, how about how up until ORAS it was only available in Pearl? Unavailable in gen 5 apart from a special Funfest mission hidden grotto in W2, and then unavailable in XY. Going for National Dex completion? Good luck.

Meanwhile Stunky, Glameow's Diamond-exclusive counterpart, isn't available in gen 5 either apart from that same mission in B2, but is at least a normal, non-version-exclusive encounter in XY.
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Yeah, it’s very strange how Glameow line has been presented in only 4 games. One thing that’s particularly annoying is that in Gen 4, the Glameow and Stunky lines are the only conceivable reason to play Pearl and Diamond again, since they are unavailable in any other Gen 4 game. Between HGSS and Platinum, you should be able to complete the entire National Dex with the exception of those two lines.

Some people speculate that they prefer Meowth over Glameow is because Meowth is more marketable, but if that’s the case, but why is Skitty in so many more games considering that Delcatty is objectively worse than Purugly.

You know what’s stranger? The Pokédex describes Dratini as an extremely rare Pokémon that was described as a mythical Pokémon, but when a sea dragon found in every game except the Hoenn games but a domestic house cat can only be found in four games, you have to raise an eyebrow at Dratini’s Pokédex entries.
 
DreamPrince said:
Yeah, it’s very strange how Glameow line has been presented in only 4 games. One thing that’s particularly annoying is that in Gen 4, the Glameow and Stunky lines are the only conceivable reason to play Pearl and Diamond again, since they are unavailable in any other Gen 4 game. Between HGSS and Platinum, you should be able to complete the entire National Dex with the exception of those two lines.

Some people speculate that they prefer Meowth over Glameow is because Meowth is more marketable, but if that’s the case, but why is Skitty in so many more games considering that Delcatty is objectively worse than Purugly.

You know what’s stranger? The Pokédex describes Dratini as an extremely rare Pokémon that was described as a mythical Pokémon, but when a sea dragon found in every game except the Hoenn games but a domestic house cat can only be found in four games, you have to raise an eyebrow at Dratini’s Pokédex entries.
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I can kinda see why. The Glameow line isn't exactly appealing. Purugly has a monstrous Speed stat, but its other stats are solidly average and it's mostly just a fairly average Normal type. How many of you can honestly say that you've used Glameow in a playthrough of any of the games where it can be found for any other reason than because you wanted to use something you usually never touch? I think GF knows that almost nobody will feel Glameow's absence in any given game, so they don't bother to add it anywhere.
 
Dire Dire Docks said:
I can kinda see why. The Glameow line isn't exactly appealing. Purugly has a monstrous Speed stat, but its other stats are solidly average and it's mostly just a fairly average Normal type. How many of you can honestly say that you've used Glameow in a playthrough of any of the games where it can be found for any other reason than because you wanted to use something you usually never touch? I think GF knows that almost nobody will feel Glameow's absence in any given game, so they don't bother to add it anywhere.
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To be fair the only game where you can use Glameow before the post game is Pearl, in White 2, the mission to obtain Glameow is unavailable until the post game, and in ORAS, it’s only obtainable after Kyogre/Groudon incident, before the 8th gym and E4, usually too late to have a team slot open.

And if that’s the case, why put the Persian line in multiple games if it’s stats are terrible beside speed?
 
green_typhlosion said:
But every third game removes Pokemon, it's part of the format. Yellow made Weedle, Ekans, Koffing, and Meowth uncatchable. Emerald made Roselia and Meditite unavailable apropos of nothing. Platinum excluded Glameow and Stunky. Remoraid and Girafarig are similarly absent in Crystal.
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Yes, and that started a terrible trend of removing content for no discernibly logical reason. Yellow, at the very least, had the argument of being loosely based on the anime and thus the game can't have Ash the PC catch a Koffing. Most unorthodox it would have been!

green_typhlosion said:
I'm not defending the move to exclude it per se, it just seems odd to single that out as evidence of bad game design when it's a standard and accepted part of the version formula. Something had to be absent and this was it. For the record it always bugged me since Crystal was my first game and I couldn't get a Mareep until much later.

But it's not "incompetence". There are numerous other Electric options in the game (not just Gen I - Pichu, Elekid, Chinchou, and Raikou all say hi) and it's one of only three Gen II families to be missing from the game. DP having one sole Fire-type that wasn't your starter is incompetent game design. This isn't, and we all know there's a lot of other flaws to point at as regards GSC.
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Why did something have to be absent? Because of storage space?

Pichu and Elekid are Baby Pokemon destined to evolve into Gen 1 mainstays. Raikou is a roaming Legendary. Chinchou works.

Amen about other GSC flaws. I could write a volume! And have. My avatar is on the Most Wanted Posters in Johto cities.
 
PokemonCrusader said:
Why did something have to be absent? Because of storage space?
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Do you really need an answer to this?

Well I'll say it anyway: the formula of pokemon games is that a single game must not be able to acquire the entire Pokedex. It must require one of the others of the same gen (or in modern games, Bank / GTS access). This was already a case in gen 1 and 2, thus something had to be omitted from the third version as well.
Whenever you want to believe that they really believe in encouraging players to meet up and trade, or they do it for money, that is the reasoning.
(I personally believe it's a bit of both, TPCI for some reason *really* believes in this whole making people meet)
 
PokemonCrusader said:
Yes, and that started a terrible trend of removing content for no discernibly logical reason. Yellow, at the very least, had the argument of being loosely based on the anime and thus the game can't have Ash the PC catch a Koffing. Most unorthodox it would have been!

Why did something have to be absent? Because of storage space?
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Because there have been version exclusives from the start...? I'm not sure what you mean by the third versions starting a trend of removing content. Not even Pokemon Red and Blue contain all the Pokemon in the game on their own. I'm not the biggest fan of Pokemon's "one game for the price of two" tradition but it does - to an extent - make the games a little deeper, provided you have the ability to trade (which, admittedly, was much harder back in 2001 when link cables were harder to come by and you couldn't trade over the Internet).

PokemonCrusader said:
Amen about other GSC flaws. I could write a volume! And have. My avatar is on the Most Wanted Posters in Johto cities.
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Same here. Crystal was my first game and my personal favourite and I can still point to 100 ways I'd improve it.
 
DreamPrince said:
Some people speculate that they prefer Meowth over Glameow is because Meowth is more marketable, but if that’s the case, but why is Skitty in so many more games considering that Delcatty is objectively worse than Purugly.
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I may love Purugly, but if the reasoning for including Meowth over Glameow is indeed marketing, then it should be very obvious why Skitty is also included over Glameow.
 
DreamPrince said:
I like Skitty and Delcatty, but are they that popular?
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Nope, but the advantage they have over Glameow is cuteness. GF knows that people go for cute Pokémon, so the lines designed to be adorable like Skitty get in over the ones made to be ugly like Purugly (it literally has "ugly" in its name). Meowth is cute and a Kanto Pokémon and one of the most iconic characters in the anime, so it would be surprising if it didn't get attention.
 
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