Ariados - Our cool, yet misunderstood freind.

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Kryuell

EDIT** I'm not new at all to competetive, but I havn't been on these forums for long, os if its in the wrong section my apologies.

OK, i'm not going to exaggerate by saying
"OMGZ IS IS AWESOMZ HE IS LIEK THE NEW GARCHOMP EVERYONE SHUD USE HIM HES COOLER THAN THE BALL AND CUP GAME"

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However, I will prove his effectiveness in battle.

Firstly, his base stats. Fair at best, yeah. BUT what makes Ariados so good then? The answer? His MOOVEPOOL

- Toxic Spikes
- Baton Pass
- Agility/Spider Web
- Sucker Punch
- Shadow Sneak - priority moves are good since his lack of speed
- Night Shade - helps against those irritable types
- Bug Bite - Plucks away those yashe and lum berrys
- Pursuit

These are some of his awesome moves. But it can't be just his movepool, eh?

Insomnia. Personally one of my favorite traits, as he blocks out Hypnosis, and especially screws up the plans of those Sporing Smeargles/Brelooms. (A lot of people are looking for ways to counter Breloom, he also resists grass and fighting 0.25, and since a lot of Breloom dont carry stone edge this is good) If you don't have a restalker on your team then the insomnia trait can be invaluble.

Also, Ariados is a nice poison type. Meaning he brushes away those toxic spikes. Thanks to his insomnia trait too, he can absorb Sleep and poison, making him a great member to have. Also, poison types can use black sludge, which will mess up those TrickZams, Jirachis, Bronzongs etc..

Here is a good set that i'm using atm. It doesn't fully abuse his movepool but it works great (also, Ariados is one of the best breloom counters in the entire game)

Ariados (F) @ Black Sludge
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Trait: Insomnia
EVs: 212 HP / 84 Atk / 212 Def
- Night Shade
- Poison Jab
- Sucker Punch
- Toxic Spikes

Actions speak louder than words, so read this battle log:


(Hotel Yorba is my Mamoswine, Ariados comes in after a bit)

Begin Turn #1
Miltank used Body Slam!
(146 damage)
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Hotel Yorba used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around PP-P2's team!
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End of turn #1
PP-P2's Miltank: 353 HP
Kryuell's Hotel Yorba: 216 HP

Begin Turn #2
Miltank used Body Slam!
(138 damage)
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Hotel Yorba used Endeavor!
(275 damage)
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Using Salac Berry, the Speed of Miltank rose!
End of turn #2
PP-P2's Miltank: 78 HP
Kryuell's Hotel Yorba: 78 HP

Begin Turn #3
Hotel Yorba used Ice Shard!
(78 damage)
Miltank fainted!
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PP-P2 sent out Weavile (Lv.100 Weavile)!
Pointed stones dug into Weavile!
End of turn #3
PP-P2's Weavile: 213 HP
Kryuell's Hotel Yorba: 78 HP

Begin Turn #4
Weavile used Ice Shard!
(78 damage)
Hotel Yorba fainted!
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Kryuell sent out Arachni (Lv.100 Ariados)!
End of turn #4
PP-P2's Weavile: 213 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 334 HP

Begin Turn #5
Weavile used Ice Shard!
(98 damage)
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Arachni used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around PP-P2's team's feet!
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Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #5
PP-P2's Weavile: 213 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 256 HP

Begin Turn #6
PP-P2 withdrew Weavile!
PP-P2 sent out Houndoom (Lv.100 Houndoom)!
Houndoom was poisoned by Toxic Spikes!
Pointed stones dug into Houndoom!
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Arachni used Poison Jab!
(177 damage)
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Houndoom is hurt by poison!
Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #6
PP-P2's Houndoom: 6 HP (Psn)
Kryuell's Arachni: 276 HP

Begin Turn #7
Arachni used Sucker Punch!
(6 damage)
It's not very effective...
Houndoom fainted!
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PP-P2 sent out Dragonite (Lv.100 Dragonite)!
Pointed stones dug into Dragonite!
Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #7
PP-P2's Dragonite: 250 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 296 HP

Begin Turn #8
Dragonite used Dragon Dance!
Dragonite's Attack rose!
Dragonite's Speed rose!
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Arachni used Poison Jab!
(92 damage)
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Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #8
PP-P2's Dragonite: 158 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 316 HP

Begin Turn #9
Dragonite used Fire Punch!
(257 damage)
It's super effective!
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Arachni used Poison Jab!
(95 damage)
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Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #9
PP-P2's Dragonite: 63 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 79 HP

Begin Turn #10
Arachni used Sucker Punch!
But it failed!
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Dragonite used Dragon Dance!
Dragonite's Attack rose!
Dragonite's Speed rose!
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Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #10
PP-P2's Dragonite: 63 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 99 HP

Begin Turn #11
Arachni used Sucker Punch!
(63 damage)
Dragonite fainted!
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PP-P2 sent out Magnezone (Lv.100 Magnezone)!
Pointed stones dug into Magnezone!
Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #11
PP-P2's Magnezone: 279 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 119 HP

Begin Turn #12
Magnezone used Substitute!
Magnezone made a Substitute!
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Arachni used Night Shade!
The Substitute took damage for Magnezone!
Magnezone's Substitute faded!
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Arachni restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
End of turn #12
PP-P2's Magnezone: 205 HP
Kryuell's Arachni: 139 HP

Not the most epic, but I managed to set up TS, aswell as killing Dragonite and Houndoom (even with type disadvantages)

I hope this post helps your competetive battling! Ariados does extremely well in UU, and can even hold his own against OU.
 
He's a really cute pokémon (I use a CB Ariados from time to time) but more often than not just doesn't do enough. Nice of you to use him though.
 
I hope he gets an evo next gen!

on a more serious note; what exactly can aridos do better than drapion and smeargle?
 
Thanks. :) Like I said, I know Ariados isn't hugely awesome but don't knock it 'till you try it, I say.

Yubel said:
on a more serious note; what exactly can aridos do better than drapion and smeargle?
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Smeargle: Well he doesn't die after one hit, has decent Attack...

Drapion: Ariados gets Baton Pass and has the Insomnia trait (which makes him 10x better at countering Breloom)
 
This isnt about lol Ariados, but you should really use the
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people should be smart enough to skim through it? It takes me literally 1 minute to read. I shouldn't have to compramise my post because some people (this isn't a hint at you btw) aren't as skilled at reading.
 
Yeah, people here don't like Pokemon that don't have 500 Attack and Speed points.

All I have to say is that Ariados is WAY better than some other Bug Pokemon out there. *coughlediancough*
 
Ariados is truly an underestimated Pokémon that should be used more often. Say... can you also make a threat for Delibird? He is the best lead in ubers as far as I can tell.
 
Last time I checked Netbattle supreme was really buggy so unless they have fixed that I can't take your logs as proof for anything.

When it comes to toxic spikes set up the 25% SR damage makes it really inferior to others I could be using, not to mention that is really the only thing it brings to a battle where as other users like Forry and Tenta provide useful resistances/bulk and can also spin away entry hazards.

It's an extremely situational Pokemon, sorry.
 
I suppose Ariados could make a decent trap passer in NU, especially if you can keep rocks off the field. Something like dual screen memento Chimecho (I think Chimecho learns Memento, too lazy to check), followed by Agility/Spider Web/Baton Pass @ Focus Sash seems like it could work pretty well. Dual Screen + Memento should give you a free turn to Agility as your foe switches out, then Spider Web while they break your sash and BP to something that can set up on whatever you trapped.

Doesn't really change the fact that Ariados is just not such a good pokemon though :/
 
you also never want to use an item like Black Sludge to "screw up Trick users".

they will just trick it back on to one of your mons later in the match.
 
Deschain said:
you also never want to use an item like Black Sludge to "screw up Trick users".

they will just trick it back on to one of your mons later in the match.
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Except you can generally predict this and switch back in the Black Sludge user, giving them a choice item that thus forces them out...
 
wildfire393 said:
Except you can generally predict this and switch back in the Black Sludge user, giving them a choice item that thus forces them out...
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You may not always have that poke alive. Its generally inferior to leftovers because it has the potential to be a liability leftovers does not.
 
BurtonEarny said:
You may not always have that poke alive. Its generally inferior to leftovers because it has the potential to be a liability leftovers does not.
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So, if you use Leftovers, they will just keep the item and heal their own HP while you get an item that might hurt you like a Choice Specs on a Physical Sweeper.
 
R S E FR LG C XD D P P BR said:
So, if you use Leftovers, they will just keep the item and heal their own HP while you get an item that might hurt you like a Choice Specs on a Physical Sweeper.
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And if they get black sludge they still give you that item (Bad item here) and they can put the black sludge on a pokemon with leftovers or (Good item here). It's better to avoid possibly having 2 pokemon with a bad item.
 
Ariados is terrible. I shouldn't even have to justify that statement, but I will:
-Terrible defenses,70/70/60 is flimsy to the extreme.
-Horrible speed, 40 speed outspeeds almost nothing in OU.
-Mediocre attack, its highest stat is only 90 and one of its STABs is useless.
-Poor defensive typing, only significant resist is x4 fighting/x4 grass.
-Mediocre movepool, tspikes and such are kinda nice I guess, but when you can only switch in against one common attacking type and get outsped and OHKOed by just about everything in OU they become irrelevant.

You make a good point about him countering Breloom, most Breloom sets can't do a thing to a pokemon that x4 resists both of his STABs, hits him for SE damage and is sleep immune, but honestly with that kind of logic just about everything 'deserves more use' because a lot of things down in UU will counter one or two OU threats. Sure, it counters breloom but what use will it be if your enemy has no breloom?

Use Ariados in NU, don't bother trying to use it in OU unless you want to play with a handicap.
 
alive said:
Last time I checked Netbattle supreme was really buggy so unless they have fixed that I can't take your logs as proof for anything.
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How dare you insinuate that my logs aren't legitimate. The NB logs work fine, actually.

In answer to the post above me.. I have been using him in OU, actually. He works amazingly well. So how about trying him before trying to stamp down on my logic?
 
I can affirm Ariados' effectiveness in all tiers ranging from NU to OU, and I have been testing him in Ubers. Ariados can pull off a lot of different types of movesets which makes them fairly hard to predict. As stated, they can be Choice Banded with two priority moves, one STAB, and Spider Web to take out an opponent or they can be a defensive trapper. Ironically, I just bred two of these for the SBP because I wanted people to start using them more often. I personally use an Impish set similair to the one listed above, but with a different item.
 
Kryuell said:
How dare you insinuate that my logs aren't legitimate. The NB logs work fine, actually.

In answer to the post above me.. I have been using him in OU, actually. He works amazingly well. So how about trying him before trying to stamp down on my logic?
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I don't have to try Seaking in OU to know it isn't going to be a good option. Are you seriously suggesting that you are using him in OU on a competitive team for any reason other than novelty?
 
Caelum said:
I don't have to try Seaking in OU to know it isn't going to be a good option. Are you seriously suggesting that you are using him in OU on a competitive team for any reason other than novelty?
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This is actually an unfair statement. The great aspect about any pokemon is that if used correctly, they can find their place onto most teams regardless of their tier standings. My current Shoddy team is composed of all NU and UU pokemon and yet I'm on a 17-4 streak. While my Shoddy team doesn't include Ariados, a previous OU team of mine used the Impish Ariados set mentioned in the analysis to trap certain walls and baton pass out to the correct counter. It worked the majority of the time because my opponents normally tried to overpredict a Sucker Punch and tried to set-up, only to find themselves trapped.
 
The log is no good. So you have one good log out of likely 50+ where 4/6 of his team is SR weak? I don't buy it. "He did good in one match, use Ariados." Like it or not, that's what you're preaching. I don't see why one would use Ariados over Venomoth anyways for a direct NU comparison.

R S E FR LG C XD D P P BR said:
Yeah, people here don't like Pokemon that don't have 500 Attack and Speed points.
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Obligatory "lurk more."

This is actually an unfair statement. The great aspect about any pokemon is that if used correctly, they can find their place onto most teams regardless of their tier standings. My current Shoddy team is composed of all NU and UU pokemon and yet I'm on a 17-4 streak.
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It's completely fair. W/L says absolutely nothing about certain pokemon or a team, you could have faced 6 Magicarp 17 times and then real teams 4 times. There's no credibility in those numbers because you aren't guaranteed to play decent opponents (like in sports leagues or something where the opponent is guaranteed to be quality).

Of course tier standing has absolutely nothing to do with a pokemon's liability, and nobody is holding his NU status against him. Porygon2 was 1 usage point away from NU, nobody would think it's bad for being NU. What they're holding against Ariados is that he's got garbage stats and movepool and like Caelum said, is a novelty option in Overused play.

This topic will just evolve into anti-standard extremists making untrue calls against standard players (see my first quote) and believing their favorite pokemon is valuable when it isn't.
 
Veedrock said:
The log is no good. So you have one good log out of likely 50+ where 4/6 of his team is SR weak? I don't buy it. "He did good in one match, use Ariados." Like it or not, that's what you're preaching. I don't see why one would use Ariados over Venomoth anyways for a direct NU comparison.



Obligatory "lurk more."



It's completely fair. W/L says absolutely nothing about certain pokemon or a team, you could have faced 6 Magicarp 17 times and then real teams 4 times. There's no credibility in those numbers because you aren't guaranteed to play decent opponents (like in sports leagues or something where the opponent is guaranteed to be quality).

Of course tier standing has absolutely nothing to do with a pokemon's liability, and nobody is holding his NU status against him. What they're holding against Ariados is that he's got garbage stats and movepool and like Caelum said, is a novelty option in Overused play.

This topic will just evolve into anti-standard extremists making untrue calls against standard players (see my first quote) and believing their favorite pokemon is valuable when it isn't.
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Well the main reason I chose to use Ariados over fellow NU pokemon including Venemoth is its ability to trap pokemon and then pass to the proper counters. Something the majority of other pokemon cannot. Another reason I found Ariados to be slighty superior is its (in my opinion)fairly impressive movepool. While it is true that a Win-Lose record does not say much about a pokemon, I think that it does help justify that Ariados can function one an OU team.

Please keep in mind that I have absolutely nothing against any tier, as I play in all of them. I just feel that all pokemon can be used in some facet of the metagame if used correctly.
 
You say I have one lucky log? don't come up with all this crap unless you actually know something. My wins/loss/tie streak is 47/19/1 at the moment, with my team using Ariados. I even beat an Uber sunny day team (insomnia came in on Jumpluff's sleep powder) So don't say that I got lucky one time without any backup whatsoever.

I agree fully with the post above me. Ariados gets a lot of good qualities that other pokemon dont, and until you learn to take advantage of them, the only thing you will ever be able to do is use the same boring pokemon in the same predictable way.
 
Ariados has a handy movepool, but that's about it. Anything he can do can be done better by another Pokemon. Spider Web? Use Umbreon for defenses or Smeargle for speed and unpredictability. Toxic Spikes? Use Forretress or Drapion. Agility + Baton Pass? Use Gliscor, Zapdos, Scizor or for UU, Lopunny, Scyther and even Gligar.

The only decent use I see for Ariados is Spider Web + Baton Pass, but his stats will make this impossible unless you're using a Baton Pass team that can safely pass it a Sub (and that's still very tricky when considering the overall success of Baton Pass teams). Plus Smeargle can do that trick with better Speed anyways. I would only recommend such a trick in UU. Don't even think of using Ariados in OU; there are better "Ariadoses".
 
Kryuell said:
You say I have one lucky log? don't come up with all this crap unless you actually know something. My wins/loss/tie streak is 47/19/1 at the moment, with my team using Ariados. I even beat an Uber sunny day team (insomnia came in on Jumpluff's sleep powder) So don't say that I got lucky one time without any backup whatsoever.

I agree fully with the post above me. Ariados gets a lot of good qualities that other pokemon dont, and until you learn to take advantage of them, the only thing you will ever be able to do is use the same boring pokemon in the same predictable way.
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Like Caelum said, win/lose numbers don't show anything, but if you really want to prove your point, you should thy to do this with something better. 47/19 isn't bad, but isn't good either. Ok, you can say "hey, but i'm using ariados, so this is a good number!" but then you would only be claiming that he's worse than a standard mon and this justifies your win/lose rating, thus ruining your entire argument.

You beat a uber team with Ariados? That's more of a proof that your opponent lacks skill than a proof that ariados is viable (and seriously, the team that your opponent is using in that log isn't exactly a good OU team).

Ariados isn't viable. Sure, he has a "niche" movepool and a good ability, but his lack of good base stats (or an even better movepool/ability, like smeargle/medicham)prevent him from being anything besides a handicap in the OU tier (hell, it's even difficult to call him viable in the new NU).
 
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