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anyone experimented with future sight + flamigo? stab cc + bb helped by future sight sounds really strong on paper, and scrappy is amazing with gholden and pult running around. its stats are middling, which holds it back, but with sight support it's been able to break stuff in the few games I've played.
legit niche? or y'all think it's better to have valiant in 100% of scenarios?
legit niche? or y'all think it's better to have valiant in 100% of scenarios?
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I believe that snow should be buffed so it will benefit more than just the ice type.
Because the water type would be op if it received benefits from two weathers I want to reccomend snow to buff the normal type and maybe the bug type.
The bug type really needs some buffs.
Edit:focus blast could receive the thunder/hurricane treatment and have perfect accuracy on snow.
Because the water type would be op if it received benefits from two weathers I want to reccomend snow to buff the normal type and maybe the bug type.
The bug type really needs some buffs.
Edit:focus blast could receive the thunder/hurricane treatment and have perfect accuracy on snow.
What teams do you use? Don’t tell me you use Pao
I Just wanna say something cool that I realized, if you have Grass Knot on Gren, since you're now a grass type, Salt Cure no longer melts you, and you have a good range to KO garga, so Garganacl does not beat greninja as bad as one would think (that is if your running grass knot, which, I have seen some people do)
I mean sure, Salt Cure does a lot in the first hit, but the chip is low, and unless garga spams recover to save his life, he is dead, and if it is tera water then it becomes even worse for the garga user, of course you cannot enter on a salt cure, but you can literally enter on anything else
I mean sure, Salt Cure does a lot in the first hit, but the chip is low, and unless garga spams recover to save his life, he is dead, and if it is tera water then it becomes even worse for the garga user, of course you cannot enter on a salt cure, but you can literally enter on anything else
officially, you aren't required to run pao to get reqs. unofficially, good fucking luck getting reqs without it
you'd have to tell that to nintendo and game freak not smogon
lmfao. Thanks guys. Good to know that when sus tests show up I don't HAVE to use the thing in question.
One thing you should probably think about when making a team for reqs is that the thing in question and its counters/checks are gonna be more common, at least that's what I feel
You can always make a stall team and call it a day, but honestly I would rather just give up at that point lmao
Honestly, I think I'm just going to give up on reqs. Night 1, I'm 19-13 with 52.9% There's absolutely zero way that I can get reqs for this vote. Or any vote. I'm terrible.
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just like me fr
tip for anyone who wants reqs: if you drop a single game before you reach 20 wins, just make a new account and start over. it's more efficient
I feel you. Aside from me not being that good, this game's rng is not good for my mental health as it drives me insane
there really needs to be a scoring algorithm that factors in rng somehow. if you make the correct play 4 or 5 times in a row and it gets haxed every time, you don't deserve to lose points for that. i'm sure it would be technically possible to code something that looks for stuff like misses, flinches, crits, etc and factors that into score determination so it would be an even better reflection of the actual skill of players
I can't tell you how many games on that account that I lost because of rogue crits. I also lost to a Revival Blessing bullshit... I wish that move was banned, it's so uncompetitive. Not even broken, it just isn't competitive to play against.
"Oh, you outed my one threat? Let me just BRING IT BACK."
Seriously, how is this thing even remotely considered fair?
Shiz sucks, man. Like, I feel like a solid player all around, but this is just terrible. Might also be my team but I've been playing pretty damn well with it.
But then I have to stink up the system with all these alts that go to waste.
Agreed. This really makes me wish that other game mode in showdown was reworked so that it would have minimal impact. It was removed a few years back and I wish I got to try it. So much for pokemon being competitive where rng has this much of an impact. We make fun of Lavos, or whatever his name was, for raging so hard when there really was some merit to his words. Pokemon is like 'the winner is 60% the player who makes the better play and 40% the lucky player who got outplayed'. It's why I never make fun of Lavos because I can really sympathize with how he outplayed his opponent only to lose to rng. I've already lost count of how many battles I've lost all because draco meteor refused to hit
Tell me about it. At least not every mon gets the move but ffs ban that shit. This reminds me of the discussions last gen where quick draw and quick claw weren't banned because they have opportunity cost or why sand veil was only banned near the end of the generation with the reason for it being 'not banworthy' being the one I just mentioned
Indeed. Rng in this game can really undermine how good a team is because you're gonna get some sort of sense that it might not be that good and end up ruining the team. I remember last gen I tried to get reqs for the Melmetal suspect at the end and just when I was about to reach the required gxe, the game said 'f u' lol and threw rng bs my way
Can't you just try to reset your elo and gxe and what not instead of creating a new alt?
1. Only two Pokemon get it, and only one is an actual threat... But Leppa Berry Revival Blessing is just the dumbest thing. Most times I can deal with it, it doesn't make it any less healthy.
2. I tend to be cosmically unlucky, but some of the bs going on tonight was wild. Lost a Dirge war to a Tera Grass Dirge because they crit me on a Shadow Ball. Also lost to a Dnite with multiple checks on my team to the same shit. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
3. I don't know if resetting elo and gxe TRULY resets your stats or not. I know when you recalibrate in other games, you still retain your old stats when recalibrating.
for all we mock him, lavos was honestly completely justified in being upset. he straight-up outplayed his opponent and lost to rng, and he was one of the best pokemon players in the world at the time. that isn't even the reason people made fun, it was because lavos was also an asshole. if he'd grown goodwill with the community instead, people would have been a lot more sympathetic
the reset button only resets your w/l count, it doesn't do anything to elo and gxe
leppa is literally exclusively used for uncompetitive shit and it should have always been banned after funbro
Isn't leppa berry that thing where there was a bot in natdex that would make the battles unending until the player rage quits? If it is, jesus fucking christ this is gonna be that whole 'opportunity cost makes it that the thing should be allowed' bullshit
You're not alone in this my friend. Just a few hours ago, I rage quit because my fire blast missed the enemy Corviknight twice. I just blocked showdown on my browser since because fuck this rng. To think that nintendo actually has official competitive tournaments with this much rng. I'm surprised no one has sued them for losing a battle they should have won. I really don't understand how the high level players aren't driven insane by this
Oh that explains things
I didn't know that. All I know was that his final message was in short, a middle finger, to this game and he also talked some shit about the community
i see it as similar to king's rock where the opportunity cost or the lack of viability outside cheese strats doesn't really matter, it's the fact that 99% of the instances it's being run are instances where a person is basically trying to cheat the game instead of playing like a normal human being. like king's rock, no one would miss leppa berry except people who are carried by it
Leppa berry is not comparable to king's rock or quick draw quick claw for one very simple reason: It isn't RNG based.
The point of uncompetitive items is that they have zero counterplay and rely entirely on luck. Leppa berry has exactly zero RNG involved in it. When you run out of pp, there is a 100% chance that you will regain 10 PP. As for counterplay, there is plenty of counterplay to a mon with the defences of a single spaghet clicking a status move twice. "This isn't how you're supposed to play" isn't a valid argument for it being uncompetitive. Infinite battles are not an issue anyways thanks to some very clever cheat detectors made by the PS mod team.
The point of uncompetitive items is that they have zero counterplay and rely entirely on luck. Leppa berry has exactly zero RNG involved in it. When you run out of pp, there is a 100% chance that you will regain 10 PP. As for counterplay, there is plenty of counterplay to a mon with the defences of a single spaghet clicking a status move twice. "This isn't how you're supposed to play" isn't a valid argument for it being uncompetitive. Infinite battles are not an issue anyways thanks to some very clever cheat detectors made by the PS mod team.
I agree. This was the entire argument on why sand veil and king rock took forever to ban. Altho the question now would be whether or not it is revival bullshit or leppa berry that is uncompetitive but either way, I highly doubt anyone's really gonna complain if one or the other gets banned
as cheesy as revival blessing is, i think it's fine outside of leppa. it fundamentally goes against one of the basic rules of pokemon battling, but it only has two users and even the better one is kinda garbage without it. leppa, however, takes it too far. it's also the common denominator between revival blessing cheese and funbro, so banning it would prevent two broken strats (even though funbro is effectively prevented through endless battle clause already, i think it would be better to have a more simple and concrete solution)
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