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- Thread starter Celticpride
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Celesteela @ Groundium Z / Rockium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Autotomize
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake / Stone edge
- Fire Blast
So I was in a battle where a Blissey had the following setup
substitute, protect, softboil, heal pulse
with a leftovers and I assume all defensive IV/EV setup and a defensive nature,
once we were down to our last pokemon, this set up got me into a permanent lock, I'm not exactly sure how it happened when it had no way to restore PP, but this went on for awhile (about 30 minutes), and my pokemon (Snorlax) was unable to die even by struggle.
Will this blissey build be banned? Or was this an exploit since they had no need for PP restoration?
substitute, protect, softboil, heal pulse
with a leftovers and I assume all defensive IV/EV setup and a defensive nature,
once we were down to our last pokemon, this set up got me into a permanent lock, I'm not exactly sure how it happened when it had no way to restore PP, but this went on for awhile (about 30 minutes), and my pokemon (Snorlax) was unable to die even by struggle.
Will this blissey build be banned? Or was this an exploit since they had no need for PP restoration?
Endless Battle Clause
Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
Players cannot intentionally prevent an opponent from being able to end the game without forfeiting.
- For example, a Slowbro holding a Leppa Berry can create an endless battle using the moves Recycle, Heal Pulse, Slack Off, and Block. To do so, Slowbro traps one of the opponent's Pokemon, PP stalls it, and heals Struggle damage indefinitely using Heal Pulse and Slack Off.
If you kept battling, the Blissey would eventually run out of PP. (64 turns) It was just going to take a lot longer than 30 minutes, especially when your opponent's goal was to waste as much of your time as possible so that you'd forfeit. It's not technically a violation of endless battle because the Blissey will eventually run out of PP, but it is a huge dick move.
If the Blissey somehow managed to use any of its moves more than 16 times then there's foul play, but that seems really unlikely.
It used heal pulse and softboil only when I was down to struggle, that's all they used during the 30 minutes I was out of pp.
Then, if they pull this trick on you again, you should contact a mod on PS. They'll handle the situation for you.
It was likely a 4chan-based Showdown club that I don't want to name. They're the reason we have the Endless Battle Clause in the first place. Did the Blissey's name start with "180 Days" or something similar?
Thanks to that clause, they can't force an endless battle - that Blissey would have eventually run out of PP and Struggled to death. But it can be annoying to face.
Thanks to that clause, they can't force an endless battle - that Blissey would have eventually run out of PP and Struggled to death. But it can be annoying to face.
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Unless something comes along that can easily counter them in OU, no.
No, they are too problematic to deal.
Aegislash has an awesome type and king shield, landorus is too difficult too deal thanks to the combo sheer force + life orb applied to its many sets (calm mind, rock polish and all-out)
Aegi and Lando-I won't be coming back any time soon lol. Aegi in general will just never come back - the 50/50s it causes with King's Shield and the insanely good typing, along with the essentially 720 BST is just way too much for OU. Landorus Incarnate's power in OU is pretty much unrivaled thanks to sheer force + LO, a huge move pool and millions of ways to set up. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Lando I never came back either lol.
Same, theyre my favourites but unless they get nerfed, nope
only instance i can see it for aegis is either its offensive stats get nerfed to 100 or a nerf to kingshield by gamefreak and for lando idk lol, maybe if they nerf its ability/offensive stats
Don't count on anything being nerfed unless it becomes dominant in VGC and that thing is not called Landorus-Therian.
Now, to go back into a mostly OU-relevant topic... I'm curious on Mega Scizor's viability rank. Before Mega Metagross was banned, it was stated somewhat often that Mega Scizor's niche barely went beyond "Mega Metagross hard check". What is still keeping it at a rather high rank? I assume it's that its Defogging capabilities gained more relevance, but I wonder.
Now, to go back into a mostly OU-relevant topic... I'm curious on Mega Scizor's viability rank. Before Mega Metagross was banned, it was stated somewhat often that Mega Scizor's niche barely went beyond "Mega Metagross hard check". What is still keeping it at a rather high rank? I assume it's that its Defogging capabilities gained more relevance, but I wonder.
Tapu Lele isn't really that good right now. If you're set on a Tapu, Bulu could be in the top 5, but I'd probably be leaning towards Celesteela in that place.
Not Lele, but most certainly not Mega Medicham. This thing is very, VERY frail, and is easily handled by anything that's faster. It also is forced to run Jolly, which really waters down its power. It just doesn't match-up well against offense at all because outside of the Fake Out and MAYBE 1 kill it's gonna get outsped and killed. Stall these days has reliable answers with bulky Psychics. I'd say maybe Volcarona or Celesteela or Tangrowth in the top 5, but most certainly not Mega Medi.
As for Magearna, Shift Gear for offensive and AV for defensive. The set on the site (http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/magearna/) says 56 sp attack EVs, 200 hp and rest sp def, with a calm nature. shift Gear is obviously timid max speed max sp attack. I've heard OTR isn't as good as these 2 but it's max HP, max Sp Attk, Quiet nature with 0 Speed IVs. Hope that helped :-)
As for Magearna, Shift Gear for offensive and AV for defensive. The set on the site (http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/magearna/) says 56 sp attack EVs, 200 hp and rest sp def, with a calm nature. shift Gear is obviously timid max speed max sp attack. I've heard OTR isn't as good as these 2 but it's max HP, max Sp Attk, Quiet nature with 0 Speed IVs. Hope that helped :-)
yeah, I assumed Trick room wasn't that good anymore. I don't think its that good because most bulky pokemon can stall out the trick room and then kill it. And where do you think mega lopunny will be put as in top 5 or 10? I would say it will be at least top 10. it has a great ability and doesn't have the worst bulk. it also has an amazing type for its ability.
I wrote about this in the Mega Evo thread. I said it'd be in A or A- rank, and IMO not a top 10 at all.
What rank decides OU usuage? 1725?