By that, I mean a casual glance at the ruleset. That's an entirely different meaning.
Again, do we really NEED to have Rain Dance Swift Swimmers and Drizzle [everything else] in the same game?
Admittedly a casual person coming into pokemon would have some confusion about why an ability on a pokemon were banned. But similarly, they would likely ask why inconsistent was, and why non Legendaries were in Gen 4. I honestly don't think that a ban of an ability on a pokemon is too complicated, the problem would be if there were a very many pokemon which were only broken with one ability. Thankfully, very few abilities seem that contentious, and many Ubers only get one ability or are so simply because of stats and movepool.
I agree with the guy who said that need is not the right word - it is what we see as a desirable metagame. I suppose that personally, I see a little more complication as a saacrifice I'm willing to make in order to maintain a playstyle. Others may see differently.
So we should cater to people who are purposely making their team weaker just because they don't want to use the best of that team style? Thats absolute bullshit. If something broken, we ban it completely.
We don't ask anyone to want to ban some of their team in order to make it unbroken. Simply it is an alternative to completly removing Rain, which seems like it may happen at present. Anyway the definition of broken is incredibly hard to define for Drizzle. By itself, it does very little - only with abuse from other pokemon can it become broken, so we have to choose whether to ban the source of brokenness or those facilitating it.
That's exactly why Drizzle is a Suspect this time around (as it got a simple majority in Round 1). The problem is that we "are not sure" about what exactly is broken, as "infinite rain" is more of a playstyle than anything. Is it Drizzle, Swift Swim, abuser X/Y/Z, Specs Hydro Pump? I'd say for now it's the third option, but...
Precisely. Despite the support for banning Swift Swim, SS pokes, or some combination instead of Drizzle, no consensus has even been reached on whether Rain itself had any truly broken aspect. Manaphy was being heralded as what made Rain broken by some before the current discussion started, and it would still be wise to only test Drizzle after Manaphy is gone.
It definitely does what it seeks out to do. Unfortunately, it runs into a fundamental difference in opinion from its opposition. The point on my end is that an "ideal" prospective competitive player would look at the ruleset that we've set up and generally be happier with a simpler ruleset than a more complicated one. A simpler ruleset doesn't "get in the way" of actually playing the game as much as a more complicated ruleset does. Your solution disregards this entirely, but I suppose that that's just your decision and you're free to do that. I just thought that I'd try to explain why people would oppose it.
True. However in order to get into competitive Pokemon, you have to be familiar with the workings of hundreds of moves and abilities, their distribution on pokemon whose stats it is very helpful to have a good idea of, without mentioning EVs, Natures, IVs, items and such. Pokemon is inherently a very complicated game, and I think this may be one of the reasons why I am not averse to making its rulset a tad more complicated. Those who will be discussing the ban will be able to cope with a more complicated new rule, and those who are more casual will most probably just deal with it even if they aren't sure of the reasons behind the ban. Someone new to the game is likely to evolve from the latter state to the former; if the complex nature of the game already doesn't put them off then they will learn as they go along.
@Slimman: Kingdrei are a large group of Kingdra, you know ;). But yeah, Essentially the reason i say that is for simplicity's sake, whenever I refer to making abuserS suspect, I mean testing them one by one to see if they are the broken factors making overpowering. Not all of them should be banned by any means, just those which facilitate Rain's supposed brokenness.