National Dex Ubers Offensive Support Primal Groudon

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and OHKOes many relevant offensive threats, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while also being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise don't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
Either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack EVs with a Mild Nature ensure that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeed a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively. A common case is to send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can also be saved for later if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde; Overheat's KO potential also goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped.
* Due to the lack of defensive investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep entry hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten; they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness makes it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS] We're moving to asterisk " * " bullet points to ease SCM work

* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to force progress against many teams. go over its role supporting offensive allies by crippling foes yet avoiding passivity, offensive support mons aren't that common
* Overheat, backed by harsh sunlight, full investment in Special Attack, and a Mild nature, will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally such as? while also eradicating Necrozma-DM regardless of its EV spread of course the super effective nuke KOes a mon and consistently 2HKOing Dondozo. mention that Dondozo is very niche Precipice Blades gives excellent coverage with Overheat, and hits hard despite a lack of investment. Dex info, the following should be a separate bullet point Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves. The following should be a separate bullet point, you may want to reword a bit Finally, a choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
Add a bullet point talking about PDon's Ground weakness and allies that can mitigate it, or expand a bit the previous one as there could be some redundancy.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS] We're moving to asterisk " * " bullet points to ease SCM work

* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to force progress against many teams. go over its role supporting offensive allies by crippling foes yet avoiding passivity, offensive support mons aren't that common
* Overheat, backed by harsh sunlight, full investment in Special Attack, and a Mild nature, will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally such as? while also eradicating Necrozma-DM regardless of its EV spread of course the super effective nuke KOes a mon and consistently 2HKOing Dondozo. mention that Dondozo is very niche Precipice Blades gives excellent coverage with Overheat, and hits hard despite a lack of investment. Dex info, the following should be a separate bullet point Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves. The following should be a separate bullet point, you may want to reword a bit Finally, a choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
Add a bullet point talking about PDon's Ground weakness and allies that can mitigate it, or expand a bit the previous one as there could be some redundancy.

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* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat, backed by harsh sunlight, full investment in Special Attack, and a Mild nature, gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and replaced this with the later assertion, but I kinda liked that bit given that it helped distinguish it from the defensive set will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally, (AC) notably including offensive Yveltal 252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Yveltal in Harsh Sunshine: 397-468 (101 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, (AC) while also eradicating being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM regardless of its EV spread, (AC) defensive Yveltal after any prior damage 252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Overheat vs 248 HP / 0 SpD Yveltal in Harsh Sunshine: 397-468 (87.2 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO, and consistently 2HKOing 2HKOes the niche Dondozo. Precipice Blades gives excellent coverage with Overheat and hits hard despite a lack of investment.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves. Finally, a
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The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay. let me know if I missed any examples
 

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed technically its not guaranteed cuz pyogre sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally deal massive damage to neutral targets u dont OHKO support arceus formes, terastalized gira-o or lunala so ngl this is kinda misinformation, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. ...
*
Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch. this removed part should go in the previous bullet point where the "..." is cuz it follows up well with the opportunities ur talking abt
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed technically its not guaranteed cuz pyogre sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally deal massive damage to neutral targets u dont OHKO support arceus formes, terastalized gira-o or lunala so ngl this is kinda misinformation, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. ...
*
Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch. this removed part should go in the previous bullet point where the "..." is cuz it follows up well with the opportunities ur talking abt
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; (RSC). (AP) A common case is to send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, (RC) and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice.If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, (AC) such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, (AC) that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch. (AP)
*
Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped.
If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, (RC) such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, (RC) that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch. (RP)
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will, (will what? it looks like something is missing here. tag me on discord if you need help clarifying) notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM(RC) while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't don't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack EVs with a Mild Nature ensures ensure that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds outspeed a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively. A common case is to send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can also be saved for later if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde; (semicolon) and Overheat's KO potential also goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped.
* Due to the lack of bulk defensive investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep entry hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten; (semicolon) and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make makes it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtue of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will, (will what? it looks like something is missing here. tag me on discord if you need help clarifying) notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM(RC) while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't don't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack EVs with a Mild Nature ensures ensure that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds outspeed a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively. A common case is to send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can also be saved for later if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde; (semicolon) and Overheat's KO potential also goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped.
* Due to the lack of bulk defensive investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep entry hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten; (semicolon) and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make makes it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/zrp200.327515/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
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Grammar checked by:
Implemented. The offending section was a partial deletion from the last qc check that should have been reworded instead, so I did that.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and OHKOes many relevant offensive threats, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while also being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
 
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