[SET]
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.
[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/zrp200.327515/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Grammar checked by:
name: Offensive Support
move 1: Overheat
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Rock Tomb / Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock / Spikes
item: Red Orb
ability: Drought
nature: Mild
evs: 252 SpA / 96 SpD / 160 Spe or 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
* Primal Groudon can leverage its huge Special Attack and access to a guarenteed sun-boosted Overheat to run a rare support set that can support allies with entry hazards and multiple ways to cripple foes while retaining the ability to force progress against many teams by virtual of its powerful attacks.
* Overheat gives excellent coverage with Precipice Blades and will OHKO virtually everything it hits neutrally, notably including offensive Yveltal and Terastallized offensive Necrozma-DM, while being able to OHKO defensive Necrozma-DM, defensive Yveltal after any prior damage, and consistently 2HKO the niche Dondozo.
* Rock Tomb does heavy damage to Ho-Oh, which otherwise walls Primal Groudon almost entirely, while lowering the Speed of faster switch-ins like Yveltal and Arceus formes to allow Primal Groudon to outspeed them and then KO with Overheat. It can also be situationally useful to deny Dragon Dance users like Mega Salamence and Ultra Necrozma the ability to boost their Speed. Alternatively, Toxic can be used over Rock Tomb to cripple switch-ins like Giratina-O that otherwise doesn't really mind taking Primal Groudon's other moves.
* The choice of either Stealth Rock or Spikes exploits the many switches Primal Groudon forces, especially given that Primal Groudon can effectively threaten most Defog users with its natural power and moveset.
* 252 Special Attack with a Mild Nature ensures that Overheat hits maximally hard, while 160 Speed on Rock Tomb sets outspeeds a -1 Marshadow. The remaining EVs are invested into Special Defense to better handle Primal Kyogre. Alternatively, if Primal Groudon is not running Rock Tomb, a spread of 104 HP / 8 Def / 244 SpA / 152 Spe can be used to avoid a 2HKO from Primal Kyogre's Ice Beam and an OHKO from +1 Life Orb Marshadow's Low Kick after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Adamant Necrozma-DM.
* Because this Primal Groudon set is much less bulky than other variants, it should be used aggressively; send it in on something it can OHKO with Overheat, such as Yveltal, and click Overheat to pick up a free KO. Once the opponent is aware of the set, Primal Groudon can instead use these opportunities as a way to set its entry hazard of choice. Alternatively, a defensive set can be bluffed to lure these targets in, though once Primal Groudon is attacked, the amount of damage it takes will tend to expose the set. This variant of Primal Groudon can be an effective lead, but it can be saved if Primal Groudon might be anti-led by Pokemon like defensive Primal Kyogre and Zygarde, and Overheat's KO potential goes up dramatically when foes such as Arceus-Ground are chipped. If the opponent is likely to switch in something that can take Primal Groudon's STAB combination well, such as Giratina-O and Ho-Oh, that is also a good time to set hazards or use Rock Tomb or Toxic to punish the switch.
* Due to the lack of bulk investment, this set of Primal Groudon is unable to handle Dragon Dance Ultra Necrozma in any capacity, so hard checks such as Arceus-Dark and Yveltal can prove effective. Both are also able to keep hazards up with their fast Taunts while also handling Defog Giratina-O, which Primal Groudon can struggle to threaten, and they also check Zygarde, which can use Primal Groudon as setup fodder.
* Primal Groudon's Ground weakness can make it vulnerable to Pokemon such as Arceus-Ground, other Primal Groudon, and Zygarde, so Pokemon such as the aforementioned Yveltal and Giratina-O can go a long way in providing counterplay.
[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/zrp200.327515/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bobsican.434487/
Grammar checked by:
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