It was a simple yes/no question.
… which is obviously attributed to my mafia play.Vonfielder said:I really wouldn't mind if Metal Sonic left smogon too to be honest
, it makes me feel so sad to know that my playstyle is unappreciated :(woodchuck said:jumping in to say fuck metal sonic and his #1 scumhunter bullshit
It's ok celever, don't need to be scared <3o_k whatever that was pretty baseless actually.
I'll just be quiet now (o'_'o)
Oh, but a good feature of xenforo is the ability to watch threads. To keep up good activity I would say everyone watches this thread, I have.
Although I do agree with you that Metal Sonic has been acting rather weird, why is pressure an excuse to not vote? If you feel someone is scummy don't hesitate to vote and put forth even more pressure.not voting yet as enough pressure is being thrown around but ms seems to be acting weird. bringing outside stuff in and all that. not suspicious enough to warrant any votes but it just seems a little sketchy and ill be keeping an eye on him
marquis post seems like an excuse to stir up lynches, and again im not voting because i dont have a good enough reason but i am very close and any weird behavior will definitely warrant a vote from me.
barty made a solid post but i dont know what to think of him yet
celever seems to be really defensive about lynching people but that isnt a big deal this early. later on obviously it will become much more important. right now though its probably just 'rather safe that sorry' as we basically have nothing to work off of. also we could subscribe to threads on the old forum which was roughly the same thing but no alerts.
but yeah my FoS is basically Aura Guardian's at the moment (marquis, ms, celever in that order) but its too early to do anything too bold imo.
The point of RVS isn't to get a lynch off but more to put pressure on opposing players to gather information.and about not voting the benefits of voting this early (more pressure is pretty much it), are outweighed by the costs (lynching someone with basically no evidence besides random accusations) this early in the game. i wont hesitate late in the game to vote, but right now i want to be cautious. that being said ill go ahead and vote marquis until he defends his opening statement as that seems seriously scummy to me, and just an excuse to stir up random lynches.
FOR GOODNESS SAKE PEOPLE STOP VOTING. Why should we? Early votes always give you something to look back on near the end of the game psychologically- would that player who flipped scum vote a partner like that so early, was that vote a reason why that town player was killed, etc., etc.? This irrational fear when faced with only like 5-6 separate votes flying around is typically attributed to scumplay, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since so much of what I'm about to comment on later sounds really... new, to say the least.
We don't know where some of the Mario Crew is at with their L-[numbers], if we fling votes around immediately the mafia could probably stealth us. Lmao. Because mafia would really suddenly place their 3-4 votes suddenly and with rushed reasoning onto the biggest bandwagon currently in the game. And if they were already on a bandwagon, it's not like town would "stealth us". Quickhammers are blatantly obvious and easy to spot, and I'm even going to go as far as warning scum not to do it, because I actually want a good game here.
The only thing I have taken from this so far is Marquais is probably noob mafia, I doubt it is going to tell him Night 0 that someone is a member of the Bowser Boys, so he is probably trying to fling accusations himself. Why do you react so strongly to my "accusation"? Just so everyone knows, my statement and vote on Jalmont were completely fabricated. In other words, I was joking to see how people responded to it, as I've never played on these forums before. The fact that you're either so gullible as to believe that I was being serious right off the bat, or so eager to jump on and convince others that I'm "noob mafia", is going to be a detriment to which alignment you're really on.
Either Marquais has no idea what is going on or he is trying to take the 'noob to clean himself' route that I admittedly took to a lesser extent last game (even though I was village). I really don't know what to say to this. Are you saying you're not a noob? Because your reasoning and statements make you look awfully guilty :(
I say that we all take our votes off and do what people do on these days, And just what is it that "people do on these days"? You'll have to clarify, because apparently I'm "noob mafia" and don't know D: ...in all honestly, do explain what Smogon's general policy toward Day 1 is. And I'd like a link to that game of yours which you mentioned earlier, to check out your fake noob play.
I know that was all for fun but it seems like Aura Guardian and I are the only people with sense in this game. This is buddying, simple as that. Though I'm not sure mafia would risk alienating the rest of the playerbase like you just did. (Then again, most of your post has been giving off the most basic and blatant scumtells...)
Ignore or just lynch Marquais for now, simple as that. So you go from "HOLY cRAP STAhP VOTING U GAIZ!" and "TAKE UR VOTES OFF" to "lynch Marqauis now"... in the span of what, four or five sentences? That's an amazing flipflop if I ever saw one. Congrats, you've managed to make your way onto an actually serious scumlist from your very first post.
And by the way, it's Marquis, not Marquais. Thanks in advance, babe <3
Thank you Barty.
@Spiffy I know that the lynch is our most powerful tool, obviously we can use it later, but using it immediately for no reason isn't using our most powerful tool powerfully, it's abusing the power of it to no avail. I fail to see how a few unrelated, random early votes constitute "abusing the power" of a lynch.
The bold was do what people do do in mafia games like assessing posts etc. Then assess my post which so offended you on a deeper level rather than taking it at face value. Would mafia do that? Ask yourself meaningful questions. "OMG SCUM" isn't exactly the right way to go about playing this game.
Nothing will be accomplished by people removing votes other than playing safely. What would be accomplished by randomly flinging votes around? Getting people to talk, and getting scum to slip up in their reactions to the votes. It worked just fine, thank you very much.
I'm not saying we don't agree on one single target as a group since as barty said that could be easily manipulated. I am saying we at least think before we lynch though. Ofc we think before we lynch. Again, why are you so afraid of a few votes being randomly placed? Nobody's saying we're automatically going to lynch Jalmont, or Aura, or whoever. Also, diplomatically and unilaterally agreeing with a lynch before we lay our votes down is incredibly naive. You vote as you suspect. Anything else that allows scum to wait for the right moment and blend in with the crowd of sudden town voters is just plain bad.
Do other people understand me? I'm not speaking bullcrap am I? Partially, to both questions. But that's ok, I'm going to enjoy playing with you anyway! ;D
Also, the fact that you mentioned this, made me think twice about Marquis. He could, like belived by some, be a BB, but he could just as easily be a member of the MC, who wants to get something done. Anyway, I hope you get treated better for what you have done in the future Metal. And sorry for calling you out as an example in my first post. Well, isn't that nice.
Now, let's do what we can, both as a team and as individuals, to eliminate these BBs. Congrats, you're scumread number two. Anyone want to tell me why?... Never mind, I'd get attacked for criticizing such an obviously town individual such as this guy without explaining first.
The last line puts you in a kind of "cheerleader" position, as I often call it. You're using the generally agreed-with and liked pronoun and PoV with "we", which is subtly placing yourself amongst the town while distancing. And you call on us, the town, to "eliminate these BBs". When... in that post, you're not doing anything but profusely apologizing to Metal Sonic, and setting yourself up to have a good relationship with me.
If you were town, it only makes sense to actually add something new to the conversation yourself, rather than sitting in the backseat, shouting "go get them!" Your post is all fluff and hiding in the background.
Hey, guess what. This isn't bullshit. It's an actual scumtell.
Ever heard of Random Voting Stage? Thank you for knowing something.
Metal Sonic could also be a mafia buddy with Marquais and is trying to protect him by doing that. Marquais could have observed Metal Sonic trying to clean himself like that in other games and took after his example. Metal Sonic, by saying he will not act like that, makes Marquais look less scummy. I can't even follow your reasoning here. So you're saying Metal Sonic is mafia with me and and by defending me or whatever he did against you, he's just outed himself as such? And you say I've also looked through Metal Sonic's games, and in doing so realized that the only logical course of behavior was to copy Metal Sonic's posting style and actions, believing his play to be the best in every game? ...ah, now I get it. This is confirmation bias. You're apparently so convinced I'm "noob mafia", that everything I do and everything other players do relating to me is absolutely incriminating, with no doubt about it. Great job, you're either locked into your tunnel vision as town or you're stretching to find every possible fake scumread you can make on someone as scum.
Nobody can be a true "Metal Sonic" except me. according to them, I'm trying hard enough...
Marquis is just a wannabe well, OUCH
Celever stop trying to be funny I can see you're town because of the similarity of how you play in RNG mafia, but if you keep this up the scum are going to lynch you hard and fast. Link please; I want to see if they're like this every game, and whether town or scum.
Stop making baseless accusations. It's an easy ticket to a lynch. What do you even mean by this?
ok, let's summarize the day so far: oooh, summaries. I love summaries, they're so telling.
Marquais votes Jalmont once... then twice.... but it only counts once anyway. and why was this so important compared to everything else
Marquais is clearly a troll. awww :c
Blackhawk holds grudges well. awwwwwwwww :C
Woodchuck didn't like Metal Sonic last game. I could say the same for a few other people where we're from~
Spiffy and I got talking about things that he clearly knows more about than me. yes, put him on a pedestal, my dear ;o
I showed off my noobiness. in what way because I'm not sure if you've realized all of it
Metal Sonic has decided to play well and contain hearts in his posts. what a way to let scum know you're easily susceptible to buddying
Summary of this:
This is gonna be a looooooooooooooooooong day. Stop complaining. This is Mafia, and it's not easy.
In general: Ok, my concentration is mostly frazzled, but I can probably say a fair bit of small stuff if I don't look at the thread wholistically. holistically* that's right, I'm antagonizing you by correcting your minor spelling error
@Marquis, post #13: Though I'm fairly sure you vote was a troll, I'm not RVSing because adding even more votes to the pool would be redundant - there has been enough to stir up conversation already. calling my vote a troll vote while knowing what RVS is... wat
@Celever, post #15: No, let them stealth early-game. It would give away many of them, and hand us an easy victory. at least this is good
@Celever, post #20: Bad tactics early game because of RVS. (Redeemed with post #32, sort of, I guess...)
@Celever, posts #22, 25, and 27: Wait, how do you not know what RVS is after Twilight Princess/RNG NOC? this is interesting, I actually read part of that game
@Blackhawk11, post #33: Thank you.
Overall: Metal Sonic's behavior seems a little... off. I can get most of it, but my concentration's starting to come back, and a wholistic holistic* view just seems a bit... wrong. I'd like for you to make comments on Metal Sonic later on now that you've hinted at it here.
As for Marquis, posts #6 and 8: Uh... I'm really tempted to vote him for that. Claiming Jalmont is a BB in his PM is either a brilliant play (not likely), or a downright horrible play (likely). ... Marquis, do you stand by that claim Jalmont is mafia, or was it a joke (asking because I want it on the record)? There is likely a follow-up to this. There were two parts to my post. First and foremost, it was a joke. Secondly, and perhaps less obviously, it was an RVS vote made to get reactions... which I can safely say there are a satisfactory number of.
And believe me, I want you to follow up on this. What do you really think?
FoS on: Marquis (most, because seriously, what?), Celever (acting a bit noobish in a little scummy way, then calling it out in post #32, which is, aside from the noobish thing, how I went through most of Twilight/RNG NOC), Metal Sonic (least, just seems a bit off) no comment other than that this little section is good and town-leaning
Still not voting yet, though, but if I did, it would probably be for someone who hasn't posted much (my excuse is the game started near night for me). Hey. You should vote someone you find suspicious. Actual pressure brings out the real scum.
So bye everyone, if Marquis starts idling lynch him ;) lmao what the hell even is this, a push for a policy lynch? "idling" isn't a scumtell, but "lurking" is a null to minor scumtell. Never mind the fact that people sleep and work and eat and poop, I don't see how you can legitimately call on everyone to lynch a person who hasn't been able to post for a few hours.
not voting yet as enough pressure is being thrown around but ms seems to be acting weird. bringing outside stuff in and all that. not suspicious enough to warrant any votes but it just seems a little sketchy and ill be keeping an eye on him parroting what other people have said enough times already, and in a vague "ms seems to be acting weird" way. I don't get how multiple people can post "something's off" about a player and not actually explain what it is. I legitimately want an explanation later from you and Aura as to why this suspicion is warranted.
marquis post seems like an excuse to stir up lynches, and again im not voting because i dont have a good enough reason but i am very close and any weird behavior will definitely warrant a vote from me. "any weird behavior will definitely warrant a vote from me"... was my post not "weird" enough for you to vote me, given how you're talking about it now? And if you found Metal Sonic to be so weird already, why aren't you voting him?
For the record, I'm not trying to stip up lynches. I'm stirring up a great deal of reactions, and the most interesting ones are coming from the people who are parroting/mimicking what others say and jumping on me without a second thought.
barty made a solid post but i dont know what to think of him yet fair enough but do you mean "solid" as in town-leaning or "solid" as in acceptable and sounding pleasant?
celever seems to be really defensive about lynching people but that isnt a big deal this early. later on obviously it will become much more important. right now though its probably just 'rather safe that sorry' as we basically have nothing to work off of. also we could subscribe to threads on the old forum which was roughly the same thing but no alerts. Just commenting to say I've read this and while I agree with the first part, as for the part starting with "right now", I either don't get what you're trying to say, or I disagree with the implication that the safest thing to do is not vote until we can get everyone (remember, "everyone" includes the mafia!) to agree on some target.
but yeah my FoS is basically Aura Guardian's at the moment (marquis, ms, celever in that order) but its too early to do anything too bold imo. Why not bold a vote? Voting is never something too "bold" to do.
unvote Aura Guardianand about not voting the benefits of voting this early (more pressure is pretty much it), are outweighed by the costs (lynching someone with basically no evidence besides random accusations) this early in the game. i wont hesitate late in the game to vote, but right now i want to be cautious. that being said ill go ahead and vote marquis until he defends his opening statement as that seems seriously scummy to me, and just an excuse to stir up random lynches. This post reads as such: "Pressure is the only benefit of voting early, but it's better not to vote because there's no valid reasoning so early on. So that's why I'm voting Marquis."
Thanks for finally putting your money where your mouth is, but you're not making sense.
Also, you've repeated the phrase "stir up random lynches" twice now. While I appreciate the commitment to your reasoning, it irks me.
Of course, I can actually understand why you see my "passive backseat cheerleading" as an efficient attempt of, if I was a BB, to both clean myself and attempt to provide someone who ties the town together, and therefore leading into a role which makes it easier for a possible BB to both survive until the end and as a result, win while nobody actually would suspect me of being a BB. Of course, this is all hypothetical. The main difference between this and the truth is that I read nowhere in my role PM of being a BB.While Celever's posts were sketchy as hell, I haven't yet decided what alignment of "noob" she is. In any case, it's better to vote someone who's not generating any interactions or pro-town actions of his own, especially when taking into account the passive backseat cheerleading he's doing.