Pokémon Whimsicott

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Hmm, Whimsicott was really improved this gen. I like the little puffball, good too see it become more viable. If it can learn Moonblast, how about this?

Whimsicott Choice Specs
32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid
Prankster

Switcheroo
Encore
U-turn
Moonblast

It's a surprisingly powerful attacker, and can Encore trap non-Extremespeed variants of Lucario, which, aside from Talonflame, is the fastest priority in OU. The above calcs are with a neutral SpA nature, so it can run Timid with enough Speed EVs for Jolly Mega Lucario.

This actually looks quite good, I wanna try it now, heh! Whimsicott's job was never to take hits, so the loss of bulk isn't that big a problem. The extra resistances help too.
 
Not really sure why people are suggesting Choice Specs sets. It's got an abysmal SAtk, even when boosted by Choice Specs. Using Specs also sucks up an essential moveslot for Switcheroo when Whimsicott would much rather get as much utility as it can out of its move set. I use something a bit more basic, but quite team-oriented:

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Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Nature: Bold
Moveset:
- Moonblast
- U-Turn
- Taunt
- Encore

I feel like most of the people who have suggested sets in this thread haven't used Whimsicott competitively. It's terribly predictable and easily walled (by Mega-Venusaur, for instance). It should focus on bringing in its teammates with ease, not trying to break down its counters. With the given spread, it's pretty bulky and can come in on a many common attacks with it's good resistances. Moonblast is the chosen STAB due to having better coverage than any of its Grass moves and being able to OHKO Hydreigon all the time (poor Hydreigon) and do decent damage to most things. U-Turn is key to Whimsicott's role as an Anti-Sweeper and team supporter. It also makes a great addition to a VoltTurn team. Taunt makes Whimsicott an incredible lead, literally walling Breloom/Smeargle/Landorus-T/anything with Stealth Rock or a status move. Ferrothorn hates this shit. Encore is the icing on the cake and has saved my ass from being swept by Gyarados, Volcarona, pretty much anything that boosts. I'm not using Leech Seed or Stun Spore or Giga Drain because Whimsicott is Grass-bait anyways, and there is no reason that a support Pokemon shouldn't be able to use each of its moves. None of those moves are as good on Whimsicott as they were in Gen V, and it might be time for us to readjust.
 
I've been running this set on my team to a lot of success:

Whimsicott @ Leftovers | Prankster
Impish | 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpD

- Encore
- U-Turn
- Knock Off
- Taunt

Use U-turn when you are encoring a boosting move, because its essential you then switch into a sweeper or someone with roar to get rid of them, but when encoring a move like will-o-wisp you probably don't want to switch out, so you can knock off the opponent's item, or the switch-in's item.
Most importantly, this set completely poops on trevenant, who loses his recovery berry permanently with knock-off, and whimsicott absorbs leech seed.

0 Atk Whimsicott Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Trevenant: 126-150 (33.6 - 40.1%)

4 Atk Trevenant Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Whimsicott: 67-79 (20.6 - 24.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

It ends up being roughly a 4hko-ish, but he can't really switch due to knock-off then taking away another item on his team. Its usually better off sacrificing the trevenant after losing your sitrus/chesto/lum if you are using harvest.

Other things knock-off is strong against is vs magic coat deoxys-d and magic bounce espeon attempting to bounce back taunts.
 
I think Whimsicott works really well on Sun teams.

Whimsicott @ Heat Rock
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Sunny Day
- Taunt
- Memento
- Encore

Prankster + Sunny Day just works. With Heat Rock you're guaranteed eight turns of Sun, which is plenty for our good friend Venusaur to sweep. The great thing about Whimsicott is that he can setup the Sun without the opponent getting the opportunity to setup himself, because of Encore and Taunt. Prankster Encore also stops DD Dragonite from walking over your team (a big threat to Sun in general). No need to mention that Whimsicotts Fairy-typing helps a great deal with this. In fact, Whimsicott really appreciates the Bug-neutrality and the resistance to Fighting and Dark as well, as it gets more opportunities to setup the Sun. Well worth the weakness to Steel and the x4 weakness to Poison. Last but not least, Memento can turn the match around for you by giving something like Barbaracle or said Venusaur a free setup turn. It's a desperate measure though, don't use it unless you're positive that it will win you the game is my advice.
 
Ok, so I've settled for the role of a bulky attacker. It actually makes a good partner in a Heatran/Rotom-W core.

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster / Infiltrator
EVs: 250 HP / 64 Def / 140 SpA / 56 SpDef
Modest Nature
~ U-Turn
~ Moonblast
~ Giga Drain
~ Taunt

This is primarily focused on taking hits and hitting back with its newly STAB Moonblast which is a blessing in disguise. It has the proper typing to take on physical dragons and can 2HKO back with Moonblast. The EVs may look weird but they're spread to maximize Whimsicotts bulk. Taunt to stop setup sweepers and to kill off defensive mons. Even without any speed investment, it has enough to outspeed common leads as Rotom-W, neutral nature Mamo, Jolly Breeloom and others. I really feel like this can be a great set in OU.
 
I use this set and its working really well for me :d

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Prankster
EVs: 252 HP/ 200 DEF / 56 Spe(To outspeed other prankster users)
Bold

Tailwind(Usually use it as a last resort when you know you are going down and want to boost your teammate's speed)
Protect
Leech Seed
Substiute
 
Curious.

For a more offensive orientated set if one should even attempt to run it, wouldn't HP be a great idea? Particularly Fire and Rock. Choice Spec HP Fire or Rock can really hit hard against some of the more predictable popular OU switch ins against a Whimsicott such as Volcarona, Talonflame, Scizor, and a couple of others.
 
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I don't know if already discussed, but how about a specially defensive set with Cotton guard? I saw one today in a stream and it seemed pretty effective.
 
I just got one of these bad boys (Cottonee) off GTS and it has Encore, Memento and beat up as egg moves at level 1, with timid nature 4 max ivs.
was wondering what i should do with this.

in gen 5 i loved using him with Terrakion in 2-2 battle subway for obvious reasons, as a focus sash lead, but now that it's fairy type i'm tempted to use it again. sadly i can't get Terrakion yet through Pokebank, so i'll have to compensate with another move set for the time being.

I wanted a Tailwind lead, with Encore but the next 2 moves i can't decide. Leech seed is a firm favourite. Rain dance, since i'm using Volt switch Heliolisk right now, and it helps combat fire types. Giga drain, to get back the HP after a fake out or something so you can use sash again. and it has Moon blast as a new stab attack. U-turn is also useful for escaping those poison types (Don't use on Poison pointers).

can anyone tell me if this set is viable?

Whimsicott
Nature: Timid
Ability: Prankster
Item: Focus Sash
EVS: 252 speed. 252 HP. 6 Def
-Tailwind
-Encore
-Leech Seed
-Giga Drain

This is mostly just for lead, both for standard and 2-2 battles. only worried about if i delete Giga drain, i can't get it back, after evolving, unless there's a move tutor in the next game. dunno if speed ivs are worth it on prankster, but i could get off a quick giga drain to get back health. might go with Bold nature or Calm and put evs into what stat needs it most. and might run Moon Blast just for the sake of Goodra, so i'm not walled by Sap sipper.
 
How does worry seed work? was thinking of using it on whimsicott to overwrite other pranksters or abilities like parental bond and such
 
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I have tested whimsicott extensively (it is by far my favorite pokemon) so I can comment on some ideas that haven't been replied to.

Offensive sets: moonblast is going to need specs to be even questionably effective, so after you switcheroo, what have you got left? It's definitely unexpected, and i'm sure it can net you a ko here and there, but it feels fleeting and it definitely isn't playing to whimsicott's strengths. There are far better trick abusers out there.

Tailwind: the problem with this is that you already have priority and you'll find that memento helps your team much more effectively while being multi-situational.

Tailwind/sub/protect/leech seed: ugh been over this a million times. You sub as they bring in a hard counter and you're then forced to switch after needlessly cutting a quarter of your precious health while they get a free turn to do whatever they want. No, no, no. Especially not with tailwind.

Worry seed: does not solve the hard counter issue whimsicott has. You hit the hard counter on the switch and they slaughter you anyway when you could have just u-turned. Taking their rest away is too situational.

Cotton guard: I've messed with this for awhile. It's not bad and it allows you to wall alot of stuff, but once they realize they cant break you, they just switch to a special attacker and kill you anyway. As with lolsubseeding, the general rule with whimsicott is that if you're leaving it in for more than two turns you're doing it wrong. The problem is this: while it's walling, it isn't doing anything, unless you have leech seed. This means success is possible if your opponent either doesn't have or doesn't switch to something that doesn't care about leech seed; highly unlikely unless your opponent sucks, which is never a measure of success. And if you're using toxic, good luck while facing down the two pokemon whimsicott sees the most: scizor and venusaur.

Heat rock: tough to comment on this one except to say that it's a fine sun setter, if setting the sun in gen 6 is something you wanna do for some reason. I feel like it should just be a 4th move for the three set-in-stone moves though (encore/uturn/memento).
 
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Not sure if anyone else has brought this up but I seem to have found something interesting while playing around with a moveset for this gen...

Whimsicott got Nature Power this gen and, in spite of my initial disbelief, since it's a "status move" it gets the Prankster priority boost.

Essentially this boils down to Whimsicott having access to a priority Tri-Attack, since that's what it becomes in Wi-Fi battles. Thoughts?
 
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A unstabbed Tri attack is not very powerful ... If you want to spread statuts with Prankster, uses his other moves (all Powders). Of course, you can't burn/ice targets
 
It's a shame really. Nature Power becomes Moonblast when Misty Terrain is on the field. Whimsicott would have been the only pokemon with a priority fairy move if so. Since priority, it wouldn't really need to invest in speed; just bulk and special attack, maybe. Sounds like it could have been a really gimmicky idea.

But it doesn't get Misty Terrain. So it can't happen.

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Still the cutest prankster around.
 
GurrenRaider25 said:
Not sure if anyone else has brought this up but I seem to have found something interesting while playing around with a moveset for this gen...

Whimsicott got Nature Power this gen and, in spite of my initial disbelief, since it's a "status move" it gets the Prankster priority boost.

Essentially this boils down to Whimsicott having access to a priority Tri-Attack, since that's what it becomes in Wi-Fi battles. Thoughts?
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This is actually a pretty good idea. People treat ExtremeSpeed as the holy grail of moves, how is priority Tri-Attack considered bad?
 
Who uses Extreme Speed in OU ?

Dragonite, Lucario and that's all ? See their base attack and their boosting moves (Dragon Dance / Swords Dance) or items (Choice Band or Life Orb). Whimsicott packs leftovers and doesn't have a good Sp.Att and can't really boost it. He has others things to do
 
Hiddenfreezer said:
This is actually a pretty good idea. People treat ExtremeSpeed as the holy grail of moves, how is priority Tri-Attack considered bad?
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Because Whimsicott has pathetic SpAtk when uninvested and since all his non-attacking moves have priority and are far more useful (Encore, Taunt, Stun Spore etc) there's little reason to run it. It only barely 2HKOs stuff like -1 Cloyster, probably the most specially defensive frail thing you'll see which is a testament to how weak it is.
 
encore on whimsicott single-handedly makes a savvy opponent afraid to use outrage.

depending on the circumstances of which it comes in, whimsicott can get up to 3 free turns to do whatever it wants.

would you ever give a whimsicott 3 free turns to do whatever it wants?

RIP anyone who relies on spamming outrage
 
KMEB said:
encore on whimsicott single-handedly makes a savvy opponent afraid to use outrage.

depending on the circumstances of which it comes in, whimsicott can get up to 3 free turns to do whatever it wants.

would you ever give a whimsicott 3 free turns to do whatever it wants?

RIP anyone who relies on spamming outrage
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It doesn't work that way; the Outrage lock breaks when it hits something which is immune, at which point the opponent can switch.
 
clare said:
It doesn't work that way; the Outrage lock breaks when it hits something which is immune, at which point the opponent can switch.
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However, the fact they gave Whimsicott an immunity which is extremely abusable with its playstyle. Whimsicott switching in on any dragon move can be fatal except for extremespeed dragonite. You don't even need moonblast.

Hence my preferred Whimsicott set:
Dragon Hunter @ Leftovers
Impish (+Def/-SpA) or Bold (+Def/-Atk)
252HP / 252Def / 4Spe
- Encore
- Leech Seed / Moonblast
- U-turn / Moonblast
- Stun Spore

Maximum physical defence because it lets Whimsicott walk in on Garchomp and normally dragon's only special attacks are coverage moves, which slaughter Whimsicott, or Hydreigon's dark pulse. Encore is what makes Whimsicott so good. Leech Seed and Stun Spore allow Whimsicott to threaten and cripple dragons, but also provide inevitability against walls who you can almost endlessly lock into a single move and a general (albeit unreliable) answer to sweepers or crush Gliscor on his first switch in. U-turn provides scouting, momentum and synergises with Whimsicott's in and out playstyle, moonblast gives whimsicott an attack to use on its free turns without having to switch. You can use moonblast in place of leech seed, but you'll end up lacking the delicious recovery of it.

My personal preference is to run without moonblast, but a full blown dragon hunter would want Moonblast.
 
Infiltrator got a boost in terms of bypassing Subs. Is it worth it to run a choice specs set with switcheroo on Whimsicott to make something like Gliscor useless?
 
HumbleLink said:
I use this set and its working really well for me :d

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Prankster
EVs: 252 HP/ 200 DEF / 56 Spe(To outspeed other prankster users)
Bold

Tailwind(Usually use it as a last resort when you know you are going down and want to boost your teammate's speed)
Protect
Leech Seed
Substiute
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Pure SubSeed with no coverage is extremely risky with MVenusaur and Trevenant everywhere, plus the slightly less common Gourgeist, Breloom and Ferrothorn. All of those will love the free turns you give them.
 
mertyville said:
Infiltrator got a boost in terms of bypassing Subs. Is it worth it to run a choice specs set with switcheroo on Whimsicott to make something like Gliscor useless?
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Not really. There are plenty of pokemon that do this better. If you aren't prankstering encores, you shouldn't be whimsicotting IMO.

SkiGloves said:
However, the fact they gave Whimsicott an immunity which is extremely abusable with its playstyle. Whimsicott switching in on any dragon move can be fatal except for extremespeed dragonite. You don't even need moonblast.

Hence my preferred Whimsicott set:
Dragon Hunter @ Leftovers
Impish (+Def/-SpA) or Bold (+Def/-Atk)
252HP / 252Def / 4Spe
- Encore
- Leech Seed / Moonblast
- U-turn / Moonblast
- Stun Spore

Maximum physical defence because it lets Whimsicott walk in on Garchomp and normally dragon's only special attacks are coverage moves, which slaughter Whimsicott, or Hydreigon's dark pulse. Encore is what makes Whimsicott so good. Leech Seed and Stun Spore allow Whimsicott to threaten and cripple dragons, but also provide inevitability against walls who you can almost endlessly lock into a single move and a general (albeit unreliable) answer to sweepers or crush Gliscor on his first switch in. U-turn provides scouting, momentum and synergises with Whimsicott's in and out playstyle, moonblast gives whimsicott an attack to use on its free turns without having to switch. You can use moonblast in place of leech seed, but you'll end up lacking the delicious recovery of it.

My personal preference is to run without moonblast, but a full blown dragon hunter would want Moonblast.
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That's not a bad set, but I can guarantee you'll miss memento. Once whimsicott is done wreaking havoc it becomes a death passer; might as well cripple one final pokemon while it's at it. The weak link is leech seed; it always had its uses but it's list of hard counters just grew immensely. I also don't see the point of moonblast, especially uninvested. Does it even 2hko hydreigon?
 
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Ok been trying this set now and its really working well. It's a bit risky but when it works, it wo
Ryolain said:
Pure SubSeed with no coverage is extremely risky with MVenusaur and Trevenant everywhere, plus the slightly less common Gourgeist, Breloom and Ferrothorn. All of those will love the free turns you give them.
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Yea I switched Protect and put in Swagger. Works quite well for.
 
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