Why HP Ground if there is Earthquake? I know HP Ground is Special, but think about the annoyance of getting full power HP Ground (70). In the end, EQ is better.
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What is the most overused and threatening pokemon of all?
- Thread starter BlitzTheReaper
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Are you kidding me? Dark Pulse from standard Boah does 23.73% - 27.68% to max HP, no Spec Def Forry. Boah isn't nearly as good at breaking stalls as it was in ADV.
Dark Pulse does 39.83% - 46.89% to max HP, no Spec Def Gliscor so it can't really replace Ice Beam for Flamethrower either.
Wait, how did Charizard show up here? ._.
Don't get me wrong, Zard's my favorite pokemon, and I've run two different variations of BellyZard, SpecsZard, and ScarfZard on a frequent basis throughout my competitive battling career (not all at the same time. You know what I mean). In fact, Charizard's one of the only Pokemon that's been consistently on my main team. Yes, Bellyzard is EXTREMELY good when successfully set up, and yes, Charizard as a whole is vastly underrated.
But one of the most threatening Pokemon? I beg to differ there.
Don't get me wrong, Zard's my favorite pokemon, and I've run two different variations of BellyZard, SpecsZard, and ScarfZard on a frequent basis throughout my competitive battling career (not all at the same time. You know what I mean). In fact, Charizard's one of the only Pokemon that's been consistently on my main team. Yes, Bellyzard is EXTREMELY good when successfully set up, and yes, Charizard as a whole is vastly underrated.
But one of the most threatening Pokemon? I beg to differ there.
i wet my pants at porgon z and salamence
Of all of them, it's Tyranitar, IMO.
He's broken the unwritten rule of 600 base stat toal and below for OU with his special defense boost, he's got killer defenses and killer attack, along with DD to soothe his speed, he's got stab Pursuit, and Sandstream.
Oh, and if you ever get any wise ideas about countering him with something like Hippowdon, he's got a movepool that includes things that it should never learn, including Ice Beam for Hippo up above.
He's broken the unwritten rule of 600 base stat toal and below for OU with his special defense boost, he's got killer defenses and killer attack, along with DD to soothe his speed, he's got stab Pursuit, and Sandstream.
Oh, and if you ever get any wise ideas about countering him with something like Hippowdon, he's got a movepool that includes things that it should never learn, including Ice Beam for Hippo up above.
I agree that Tyranitar is very powerful, but I don't like him because he has too many weaknesses, which is why I picked Garchomp over him.
I find it depressing that barely anybody has mentioned Gyardos. It has one of the best abilities in the game, along with great stat distribution that works perfectly with Dragon Dance. I would say that it's even more deadly than Garchomp because Electric isn't so prevelant a move type as Ice, and because it can be harder to counter.
Also, this is mainly from WiFi experience, as I can't get Shoddy to work, and the metagames are different.
That's why I find it much more useful to run Fire Blast over Ice Beam, as Boah doesn't need to be able to counter everything, and Fire Blast seems to have much better coverage (assuming you have a dragon counter) than Ice Beam. You can OHKO Skarm, which is a bonus, along with most other fire-weaks (you can get close to OHKOing Metagross switch-ins).
You should've also put an Azelf option for the poll, as many team are not prepared for it, and it hits amazingly hard.
Also, this is mainly from WiFi experience, as I can't get Shoddy to work, and the metagames are different.
That's why I find it much more useful to run Fire Blast over Ice Beam, as Boah doesn't need to be able to counter everything, and Fire Blast seems to have much better coverage (assuming you have a dragon counter) than Ice Beam. You can OHKO Skarm, which is a bonus, along with most other fire-weaks (you can get close to OHKOing Metagross switch-ins).
You should've also put an Azelf option for the poll, as many team are not prepared for it, and it hits amazingly hard.
Gliscor and Hippowdon become pests if you remove Ice Beam.
Standard Gliscor takes 39.55-46.61% and standard Hippowdon takes 34.29-40.48% from Fire Blast (STAB'd Dark Pulse does a fraction of a percent more damage). And both have a 50% recovery move so your best bet is to hax a burn on them. Fire Blast's 8 PP maximum doesn't help if the stall team you're facing has Pressure Pokemon.
Don't get me wrong; Boah can still be quite a threat to a stall team since it does has a diverse movepool. But the fact is it can't counter all the possible stallers in D/P even though it can stomp over all stallers in ADV.
I would have to say Garchomp is the most threatening and most overused poke on the list. An unprepared team can be ripped apart fast by one. TyraniBoah is a close second. Before I put earthquake on my cradily, he often killed a poke before I forced him to switch out =\
How is Skarmory a threat lol?
Garchomp is more scary by far =D
If it wasn't for the +2 speed difference between Chomp and Mence, Mence would be the most threatening, as Mence has higher Attack and Special Attack.
If it wasn't for the +2 speed difference between Chomp and Mence, Mence would be the most threatening, as Mence has higher Attack and Special Attack.
but chomp gets stab on earthquake, while mense gets a fairly useless stab being flying. also, garchomp takes 6% from stealth rock while sala takes 25%.
so theres more than jsut the 2 base speed points
so theres more than jsut the 2 base speed points
No he isn't. Go to any 'dex and add up his stats. You get 600. Yes, he gets a boost from sandstorm, and yes one is created when he switches in, but it goes the second a Golduck / Abomansnow comes in, or someone uses DeFog, Hail, Sunny Day or Rain Dance.
Yeah, thats true, I totally forgot about the STAB'ed EarthQuake.
Well, Salamence's Dragon Claw can be menacing. And thats STAB'ed. Probably comes out to almost the same as Chomp's Earthquake, since Salamence has higher attack.
Yea, because everyone uses Golduck and Abomasnow, and weather changers are on every team nowadays. There's not enough room in the metagame today for a slot JUST for the weather IMO.
Also, I agree with this:
BAM_UR_DEAD said:
115 base speed along with Nasty Plot and a base 125 SpAtk is amazing. Simply weaken Blissey, and you're good to go.
Maybe I'm the only Hariyama user around here, but I find him to be the best damn answer to any form of Tyranitar. Resists most if not all the common attacks either the CB or the Boah set carry (other then T-Bolt and Focus Punch, but he only ever takes one Focus Punch unless I'm really having a slow day).
It's especially fun with Knock Off, because kicking off their Hariyama counter is just TOO funny.
I'm voting for Salamence. With Garchomp, you know what you're getting. Too many times have I started a battle with Salamence and just outright predicted wrong and had one of my walls KO'ed or rendered useless.
Garchomp is devastating, but at least his moves are semi predictable.
It's especially fun with Knock Off, because kicking off their Hariyama counter is just TOO funny.
I'm voting for Salamence. With Garchomp, you know what you're getting. Too many times have I started a battle with Salamence and just outright predicted wrong and had one of my walls KO'ed or rendered useless.
Garchomp is devastating, but at least his moves are semi predictable.
what can salamence actually do to blissey? unless it is a choice band version, it cannot 2hko blissey, and blissey can just softboiled the damage or ice beam it back (i use lots of EVs, so it has a chance to OHKO).
blissey walls dragon dancing and choice specs variants like crazy, while blissey cannot wall the swords dancing garchomp.
blissey walls dragon dancing and choice specs variants like crazy, while blissey cannot wall the swords dancing garchomp.