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Virizion (Analysis)

GP CHECK ONE: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL

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[Overview]

<p>When one looks at Virizion, it's impossible not to think "classy". Let's face it, Virizion is a Pokemon that simply oozes class. It has the Its superior attitude and power that give it the status of Legendary mean that its legendary status is well-deserved. The Grass- / Fighting-type combination is only shared with Breloom, but Virizion has many advantages over its mushroom counterpart.</p>

<p>Looking at Virizion's assets, One thing immediately stands out when looking at Virizion's assets: its 129 base Special Defense that, alongside its typing, allows it to be makes it one of the best Pokemon to use against weather-based teams. Its 108 Speed stat, shared with the other musqueteers musketeers (Terrakion and Cobalion), as well as Infernape, (deleted because listing all the pokemon with 108 base speed is unnecessary) allows it to outspeed most of the threats of the OU tier. Virizion also has access to both Calm Mind and Swords Dance, which allow it to work either as so it can work as either a very bulky special sweeper or as an all-out physical sweeper.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, Virizion also has some isn't without its negative aspects. It has to rely on an incredibly inaccurate Focus Blast on the special sweeper set, which can let it down sometimes. Its Defense stat is also decent at best, and it has some trouble in taking strong neutral physical attacks. Its Justice Heart ability is also a rather useless one since Dark-type attacks are really rare in OU and Tyranitar, its main user, can't afford to stay won't be staying in on any of Virizion's sets. Despite these faults however, Virizion is still a great Pokemon and it should always be considered when building a team.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move1: Calm Mind
move2: Giga Drain
move3: Focus Blast
move4: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Using Calm Mind, Virizion can boost its already huge impressive Special Defense and decent Special Attack, allowing it to beat the most common Pokemon in stall teams like stall team staples such as Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Gliscor (you need Hidden Power Ice for the latter as Acrobatics is a OHKO). Its Grass STAB - Giga Drain - lets Virizion heal itself while causing massive damage to the opponent. Focus Blast is chosen as the second attacking secondary STAB move, even though it has really despite its low accuracy, because it's the only special Fighting-type attack that Virizion learns and it's crucial needed to KO Chansey / Blissey and Ferrothorn that would otherwise laugh at it wall Virizion. The last move depends on what you want Virizion to do, but Hidden Power Ice is usually the best option in order to hit the Flying-types that resist its STAB moves.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The first three moves are, as stated above, mandatory, leaving the fourth slot up for grabs. Hidden Power Ice is the preferred option in order to hit the numerous deal with common Flying-types like Zapdos and Gliscor, while netting an OHKO on Salamence (with Stealth Rock on the field) and Garchomp with a little prior damage. Taunt is the alternative, and it gives Virizion many opportunities to set up against Pokemon that rely on status moves to prevent a Virizion sweep, such as like Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn. Reflect may look like an inferior option, but it does have its merit; behind it, Virizion can set up in on weak physical attackers that would otherwise cause dole out significant damage to it. Leftovers is the preferred item as it provides Virizion with more durability, possibily granting it one more Calm Mind, but Life Orb can be used for the extra power it provides, since it maximizes the amount of health recovered by Giga Drain. However, when playing under a Sandstorm or Hail, be aware that Virizion will take 16% damage per turn if it's holding Life Orb.</p>

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latios, Latias, and Reuniculus; they can come in, set up Calm Minds alongside Virizion, while laughing at its STAB moves and its low power meagre Hidden Power Ice, and then OHKO it with STAB Psycho Shock. Thundurus and Tornadus also both outspeed and can either OHKO with Hurricane or cripple with priority Thunder Wave, and both have priority Taunt to stop Virizion setting up the set-up. For these reasons, A Pokemon that can eliminate these threats is therefore a good partner for Virizion. Tyranitar is one of the best because it can use Pursuit and Crunch to eliminate the Psychic-type counters, and Stone Edge to get rid of the last two while Thundurus and Tornadus can be dealt with by STAB Stone Edge. Specially bulky Scizor can also do this to an extent, although Thundurus can be hard to take down due to its secondary Electric typing.</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move1: Swords Dance
move2: Close Combat
move3: Stone Edge
move4: Leaf Blade / Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With Swords Dance, Virizion only needs one turn of setup to set up to start sweeping, as opposed to the Calm Mind set, which that usually needs two or three turns to make an impact. However, it doesn't do anything for boost Virizion's defenses (Close Combat lowers them), so it Virizion will usually have less turns to inflict damage before it gets knocked out. Swords Dance is the boosting move of choice, skyrocketing the musqueteer's musketeer's Attack to a beastly 558. Virizion can then make good use of a very powerful STAB Close Combat that destroys anything that doesn't resist or is immune to it, while Stone Edge grants a great coverage, hitting the Flying-types for super effective damage. The last slot is a choice between two moves; but Leaf Blade is usually the better choice, since it provides Virizion with a second good STAB move to work with, netting the OHKOs on the bulky Ground- and Water-types.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>On the last slot, Leaf Blade may seem like a much superior option than to a non-invested Hidden Power Ice. However, when one takes into account the fact that Gliscor is one of the best physical walls, Hidden Power Ice appears as a valid move for its ability to cripple the Ground / Flying-type that would otherwise be almost impossible to defeat, since it Gliscor, one of the best physical walls, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobat, the value of Hidden Power Ice immediately becomes apparent; Hidden Power Ice is a clean 2HKO on Gliscor, so all it takes is some prior damage on it to take it out.</p>

<p>When using this set, Virizion loses out on some important KOs on against the more defensive Pokemon, like the aforementioned Gliscor. but it can be part of a duo with another physical sweeper. Virizion can cripple it, However, Virizion does make a great partner for other physical sweepers, it can take large chunks out of the opposing team's walls, thus opening up a sweep for another teammate like Balloon Excadrill with Return or Swords Dance Blaziken. If one wants you want Virizion to be the main sweeper, Landorus can lure Gliscor in and OHKO it with Hidden Power Ice, opening up a sweep for the musqueteer musketeer.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Like every other sweeper, Virizion is greatly helped aided by entry hazards, as they help it achieve some KOs it normally couldn't. Tentacruel is one of the best Pokemon to set for setting them up as it resists Fire-, Ice-, and the less common Poison-type attacks, while being able to set up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes and use Rapid Spin to keep them away of off your side of the field. They do share a Psychic-type weakness, which isn't advisable when one looks at the counters' section and see Virizion's several Psychic-type counters. Do be aware that Tentacruel and Virizion share a weakness to Psychic, however. Forretress shares a Fire-type weakness but, looking past that, with Virizion but otherwise they have good synergy together, and it can set up is adept at setting up every type of entry hazard as well as spinning them away too.</p>

<p>Since both sets can open some holes on the opponent's team, pairing Virizion with a sweeper that hits from the same side of the spectrum, attacking stat may often prove to be an efficient combination. One good partner is Trick Room Reuniculus, that enjoys not having Chansey / Blissey to switch in and stop its fun it enjoys the absence of Chansey / Blissey and can remove the Psychic-types with Shadow Ball to help Virizion. Other great partners are Swords Dance Terrakion and Excadrill that can often sweep if Gliscor is already out of the game.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Virizion's support movepool is huge, and it allows the musqueteer musketeer to perform a number of roles on your team, although it may not be as effective as other support Pokemon. It gets Reflect and Light Screen and it can perform a Dual Screen role, setting them both up so it can act as a dual screener; in that case, it should have a Bold nature and invest on investment in its HP and Defense, while using Giga Drain to survive long enough to prolong its lifespan so it can possibly set them screens up again later in the game. It also gets Toxic and Roar, being able to so it can act like a special wall and a phazer with after some defensive investment.</p>

<p>If one wants Virizion to act as a mixed sweeper, a Cheer Up set is a viable option; Hasty is the best nature and, alongside with max speed EVs and max Speed should be used in this case to allow it to tie with Terrakion and Infernape, with an optimal moveset that includes Close Combat, Giga Drain, and Hidden Power Ice as the best options for such set. Virizion is also a part of the legendary Fighting-type group and, as such, it has access to their signature move Sacred Sword; it has 30 less Base Power less than Close Combat but it does have two advantages: it doesn't lower Virizion's defenses and it bypasses the opponent's stats changes, which can be useful. This move can replace Close Combat on the Swords Dance set if the defenses drops prove to be unbearable.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniculus, Thundurus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room on in Reuniculus's case) Virizion and can either OHKO it with Psycho Shock and or Hurricane or cripple it with priority Thunder Wave. Specially bulky Dragonite is much more used this generation thanks to Multi-Scale, and it can come in, tank an unboosted Hidden Power Ice, and cripple with Thunder Wave to make any attempt of attempts at a sweep void. Virizion also has some trouble in getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but first the opponent has to make sure it doesn't carry Hidden Power Ice or else Gliscor will be in big troubles of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress, it that isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense, being able so it's able to take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return. For all of these Pokemon, Mixed Tyranitar is a great check for all of these Pokemon, abusing the Special Defense boost in Sandstorm the sand to KO Latios, Latias, and Reuniculus with Pursuit / Crunch, while the genies are taken down with Stone Edge and Foretress roasted with Fire Blast.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Virizion doesn't have a Dream World ability.</p>

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[Overview]

<p>Let's face it, Virizion is a Pokemon that simply oozes class. Its superior attitude and power mean that its legendary status is well - (unnecessary hyphen) deserved. The Grass- / Fighting (more unnecessary hyphens) type combination is only shared with Breloom, but Virizion has many advantages over its mushroom counterpart.</p>

<p>One thing immediately stands out when looking at Virizion's assets: its 129 base Special Defense that, alongside its typing, makes it one of the best Pokemon to use against weather-based teams. Its 108 Speed stat, shared with the other musketeers (Terrakion and Cobalion), allows it to outspeed most of the OU tier. Virizion also has access to both Calm Mind and Swords Dance, so it can work as either as a very bulky special sweeper or an all-out physical sweeper.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, Virizion isn't without its negative aspects. It has to rely on an the incredibly inaccurate Focus Blast on the special sweeper set. Its Defense stat is decent at best, and it has some trouble taking strong neutral physical attacks. Its Justice Heart ability is also a rather useless one since Dark-type attacks are rare in OU and Tyranitar, its main user, won't be staying in on any of Virizion's sets. Despite these faults however, Virizion is still a great Pokemon and it should always be considered when building a team.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move1: Calm Mind
move2: Giga Drain
move3: Focus Blast
move4: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Using Calm Mind, Virizion can boost its already impressive Special Defense and decent Special Attack, allowing it to beat stall team staples such as Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Gliscor (you need Hidden Power Ice for the latter as Acrobatics is an OHKO). Its Grass STAB - Giga Drain - lets Virizion heal itself while causing massive damage to the opponent. Focus Blast is chosen as the secondary STAB move, despite its low accuracy, because it's the only special Fighting-type attack that Virizion learns and it's needed to KO Chansey / Blissey and Ferrothorn that would otherwise wall Virizion. The last move depends on what you want Virizion to do, but Hidden Power Ice is usually the best option in order to hit the Flying-types that resist its STAB moves.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The first three moves are, as stated above, mandatory, leaving the fourth slot up for grabs. Hidden Power Ice is the preferred option in order to deal with common Flying-types like Zapdos and Gliscor, while netting an OHKO on Salamence (with Stealth Rock on the field) and Garchomp with a little prior damage. Taunt is the alternative, and it gives Virizion many opportunities to set up against Pokemon that rely on status moves to prevent a Virizion sweep, such as Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn. Reflect may look like an inferior option, but it does have its merit; behind it, Virizion can set up on physical attackers that would otherwise dole out significant damage. Leftovers is the preferred item as it provides Virizion with more durability, possibily granting it one more Calm Mind, but Life Orb can be used for the extra power it provides, since it maximizes the amount of health recovered by Giga Drain. However, when playing under Sandstorm or Hail, be aware that Virizion will take 16% damage per turn if it's holding Life Orb.</p>

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus; they can come in, set up Calm Minds alongside Virizion, while laughing at its STAB moves and meagre Hidden Power Ice, and then OHKO it with STAB Psycho Shock. Thundurus and Tornadus both outspeed Virizion and can either OHKO with Hurricane, or cripple with priority Thunder Wave, and both have priority Taunt to or stop Virizion setting up with a priority Taunt. A Pokemon that can eliminate these threats is therefore a good partner for Virizion. Tyranitar is one of the best because it can use Pursuit and Crunch to eliminate the Psychic-type counters, while Thundurus and Tornadus can be dealt with by STAB Stone Edge. Specially bulky Scizor can also do this to an extent, although Thundurus can be hard to take down due to its secondary Electric typing.</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move1: Swords Dance
move2: Close Combat
move3: Stone Edge
move4: Leaf Blade / Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With Swords Dance, Virizion only needs one turn of setup to start sweeping, as opposed to the Calm Mind set, which usually needs two or three turns to make an impact. However, it doesn't do anything for Virizion's defenses (Close Combat lowers them), so Virizion will usually have less fewer turns to inflict damage before it gets knocked out. Swords Dance is the boosting move of choice, skyrocketing the musketeer's Attack to a beastly 558. Virizion can then make good use of a very powerful STAB Close Combat that to destroys anything that doesn't resist or is isn't resistant or immune to it. while Stone Edge grants great coverage, hitting Flying-types for super effective damage. The last slot is a choice between two moves; Leaf Blade is usually the better choice, since it provides Virizion with a second good STAB move to work with, netting OHKOs on bulky Ground- and Water-types.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>On In the last slot, Leaf Blade may seem like a superior option to non-invested Hidden Power Ice with no investment. However, when one takes into account the fact that Gliscor, one of the best physical sweepers, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobat, the value of Hidden Power Ice immediately becomes apparent; Hidden Power Ice is a clean 2HKO on Gliscor, so all it takes is some prior damage to take Gliscor it out.</p>

<p>When using this set, Virizion loses out on some important KOs against more defensive Pokemon, like the aforementioned Gliscor. However, Virizion does make a great partner for other physical sweepers, it can take large chunks out of the opposing team's walls, thus opening up a sweep for another teammate like Balloon Excadrill or Swords Dance Blaziken. If you want Virizion to be the main sweeper, Landorus can lure Gliscor in and OHKO it with Hidden Power Ice, opening up a sweep for the musketeer.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Like every other sweeper, Virizion is greatly aided by entry hazards, as they help it achieve some KOs it normally couldn't. Tentacruel is one of the best Pokemon for setting them up as it resists Fire-, Ice-, and the less common (you can only take a hanging hyphen so far) Poison-type attacks, while being able to set up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes and use Rapid Spin to keep them off your side of the field. Do be aware that Tentacruel and Virizion share a weakness to Psychic-type moves, however. Forretress shares a Fire-type weakness with Virizion but otherwise, they have good synergy together, and it Forretress is adept at setting up every type of entry hazard as well as spinning them away too.</p>

<p>Since both sets can open some holes in on the opponent's team, pairing Virizion with a sweeper that hits from the same attacking stat may often prove effective to be an efficient combination. One good partner is Trick Room Reuniculus; (semicolon) it enjoys the absence of Chansey / Blissey and can remove Psychic-types with Shadow Ball to help Virizion. Other great partners are Swords Dance Terrakion and Excadrill, which that can often sweep if Gliscor is already out of the game.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Virizion's support movepool is huge, and it allows the musketeer to perform a number of roles on your team, although it may not be as effective as other support Pokemon. It gets Reflect and Light Screen so it can act as a dual screener; in that case it should have a Bold nature, and investment in its HP and Defense, whileusing and Giga Drain to let it prolong its lifespan so it can possibly set up screens up again later in the game. It also gets Toxic and Roar, so it can act like as a special wall and a phazer after some defensive investment.</p>

<p>If one wants Virizion to act as a mixed sweeper, a Cheer Up set is a viable option; Hasty and max Speed should be used in this case to allow Virizion to tie with Terrakion and Infernape, with an optimal moveset that includes of Close Combat, Giga Drain, and Hidden Power Ice. Virizion is also a part of the legendary Fighting-type group and, as such, it has access to their signature move Sacred Sword; it has 30 less Base Power than Close Combat but it does have two advantages: it doesn't lower Virizion's defenses and it bypasses the opponent's stats changes, which can be useful. This move can replace Close Combat on the Swords Dance set if the defense drops prove to be unbearable.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniculus, Thundurus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room in Reuniculus's case) Virizion and can either OHKO it with Psycho Shock or Hurricane or cripple it with priority Thunder Wave. Specially bulky Dragonite, more common is much more used this generation thanks to Multi-Scale, it can come in, tank an unboosted Hidden Power Ice, and cripple with Thunder Wave to make any attempts at a sweep void. Virizion also has some trouble getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress; (semicolon) it isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense, so it's able to take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return. Mixed Tyranitar is a great check for all these Pokemon, abusing the Special Defense boost in the sand to KO Latios, Latias, and Reuniculus with Pursuit / Crunch, while the genies are taken down with Stone Edge and Forretress roasted with Fire Blast.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Virizion doesn't have a Dream World ability.</p>


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Great analysis. Few things I would like to add, even if it's marked as Done:
-Change the first EV spread to 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe in order to benefit from Calm Mind (a little bit) more.
-Mention a 252 HP / 252 Def [Bold] spread for the Calm Mind set.
 
Sorry for the bump, but I believe I have an important point to bring up.

If this thread is accurate, the speed EVs need to be changed.

On the Calm Mind set, with Hidden Power Ice, if you opt to use the 30 Spd IV over the 30 Atk / 30 Def IVs, then he won't be able to match any of the fellow musketeers (and Infernape) with whom he's competing with. (Did I use whom right? Can't get the hang of it.)

But the pokemon he's competing with aren't worth competing with. Most of the threats either wreck him or vice-versa, wasting his speed EVs.
With 30 Def IVs, 0/0 Timid Virizion takes:
Calculations against Terrakion
80.1% - 94.1% from 252 Jolly Terrakion's Close Combat who takes:
65.6% - 77.1% from 252 Timid Virizion's Giga Drain before -1 SpD
95.6% - 112.5% after -1 SpD (75% to OHKO)
If, for some reason, your opponent sends out Terrakion, and you outspeed him first:
If he uses Swords Dance, he's got a chance to OHKO if he wins next round.
If he uses Rock Polish, you'll take a beating but 2HKO him.
If he uses Close Combat, you'll 2HKO if you win both times, or lose.
*If he outspeeds you first, you OHKO him.*
If Terrakion is Adamant (most are), you aren't using those EVs to tie with him.

Calculations against Cobalion
49.9% - 58.7% from 252 Timid Cobalion's Focus Blast (@Life Orb)
77.4% - 87.6% from 252 Timid Cobalion's +1 Focus Blast (@Life Orb)
who takes:
124% onward from Virizion's Focus Blast before Coba's Calm Mind.
83.5% - 98.2% from Virizion's Focus Blast after Coba's Calm Mind. (50% OHKO after Life Orb)
In this more likely scenario, matching Cobalion's is a bit more essential. Switching in Virizion after he uses Calm Mind, outspeeding the first round gives you a 42.5% to OHKO (58.4% after SR) after LO recoil. Not winning the speed tie still gives you the same percentage, but during the second round, being outsped will kill both of them. Switch into someone to take the final hit, or take the risk.
Now, there's a catch. If Cobalion outspeeds Virizion on the first round, already has a Calm Mind, and decides to use Calm Mind again, Focus Blast will only do 63.2% - 74.4%. Coba's +2 Focus Blast will also have a 79.6% to OHKO, before residual damage.


Against the Swords Dance set, you only need 208 EVs to tie, and I wouldn't suggest anything lower anyway, or else Scarfchomp eats your leafy greens. As long as Focus Blast hits, Coba is OHKO'd.

Keldeo isn't released, but Giga Drain would do as much to him as it would Terrakion presumably (except on CMers), and Virizion's SpD fairs well against it anyway.

That just leaves Infernape...
...and I don't have to do calculations to know that Flare Blitz destroys Virizion. But, most carry Overheat or Fire Blast, so Virizion takes:

102% onward from 4 Naive Infernape's Overheat (@Life Orb) who takes:
70.1% - 82.5% from Virizion's Focus Blast
109% from 252 Infernape's Fire Blast before LO or Nasty Plot
Needless to say, even hitting him first would be useless.

And none of the calculations take into account that you might already have a Calm Mind up, meaning you take down Coba. Terra may not care about the +1 SpD, but it appears that in most cases, you've either got a big chance you win or a big chance you won't, speed tie or not.

*huff* *puff*

Wow, that was time consuming. But I do believe I've made my point, yes? If you are going with HP Ice and 252 Speed EVs, your Atk and Def IVs should be 30 to keep a 31 Speed IV, and it should only be to stand a chance coming in on a CM Cobalion. If you aren't concerned with that, 212 Speed EVs will outspeed the SD Cobalion set by Seven Deadly Sins.

You can put the extra EVs into HP to help bulk while giving Virizion more HP to restore with Giga Drain, or put it in SpD for more special bulk for Calm Mind to increase. I'm sure you'd know better than me where it would work better. XP

Again, this is all based on that Speed Tier list, which may not be complete.
 
Whike you bring up a slightly informative comment, the bigger question is: why would Virizion use a 30 Speed IV in the first place? Surely, there is necessary reason to use a 31 Speed IV rather than 30. With Hidden Power Ice, Virizion can use a 31Speed IV, so it would defeat it's fellow musketeers any way. A 30 value in any IV except HP and Speed is very negligible to the Pokemon's stats.
 
Just one thing, is there any need to call the first set "Offensive Calm Mind" when you don't have a "Defensive Calm Mind"? Wouldn't be better to just call it "Calm Mind"? Sorry for pedantic, but yeah.
 
Nah, because it's a useful prefix for readers of the set. Calm Mind is ambiguous and can be taken in a few ways, whereas Offensive Calm Mind is pretty clear. It's also consistent with the rest of our on-site analyses.
 
Whike you bring up a slightly informative comment, the bigger question is: why would Virizion use a 30 Speed IV in the first place? Surely, there is necessary reason to use a 31 Speed IV rather than 30. With Hidden Power Ice, Virizion can use a 31Speed IV, so it would defeat it's fellow musketeers any way. A 30 value in any IV except HP and Speed is very negligible to the Pokemon's stats.

The calculations are for a Virizion using the 31 Speed IVs. If it runs max speed and 31 Speed IVs, it ties with the threats I mentioned. The post was mainly to say that you might not need a full 252 speed EVs, since matching their speed doesn't seem important.

I guess what I should've said is that the analysis should mention to use 30 Atk and 30 Def IVs if you're using Hidden Power Ice in general. If I hadn't checked to see what drops HP Ice gives, I might've ran a 30 Speed IV Virizion, wasting my Speed EVs to match max speed base 108s.
 
The calculations are for a Virizion using the 31 Speed IVs. If it runs max speed and 31 Speed IVs, it ties with the threats I mentioned. The post was mainly to say that you might not need a full 252 speed EVs, since matching their speed doesn't seem important.

I guess what I should've said is that the analysis should mention to use 30 Atk and 30 Def IVs if you're using Hidden Power Ice in general. If I hadn't checked to see what drops HP Ice gives, I might've ran a 30 Speed IV Virizion, wasting my Speed EVs to match max speed base 108s.

I agree with you and will add that information tomorrow.

Thanks (and good first post)!
 
Hey Zdrup15, just thought I'd return the favour.

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniculus, Thundurus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room in Reuniculus's case) Virizion and can either OHKO it with Psyshock or Hurricane or cripple it with priority Thunder Wave. Specially bulky Dragonite, more common this generation thanks to Multiscale, can come in, tank an unboosted Hidden Power Ice, and cripple with Thunder Wave. Virizion also has some trouble getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress; it isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense, so it's able to take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return. Mixed Tyranitar is a great check for all these Pokemon, abusing the Special Defense boost in the sand to KO Latios, Latias, and Reuniculus with Pursuit / Crunch, while the genies are taken down with Stone Edge and Forretress roasted with Fire Blast.</p>

You spelt Reuniclus wrong a few times there buddy!
Needs to be changed :P
 
In the last slot, Leaf Blade may seem superior to Hidden Power Ice with no investment. However, when one takes into account the fact that Gliscor, one of the best physical sweepers, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobatics, the value of Hidden Power Ice immediately becomes apparent;

I think you meant physical WALL, not sweeper.
 
In the last slot, Leaf Blade may seem superior to Hidden Power Ice with no investment. However, when one takes into account the fact that Gliscor, one of the best physical sweepers, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobatics, the value of Hidden Power Ice immediately becomes apparent;

I think you meant physical WALL, not sweeper.

good catch, thanks!
 
For some reason I still find this better than the standard sets

Virizion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 88 Atk / 168 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature (+Spe, -Def)
- Work Up
- Close Combat
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Ice]

88 Atk allows +1 Virizion to OHKO every single special wall with or without SR using close combat. the only way this Pokemon is stilled is when it is hit by a surprise Physical Flying Type ATK
 
For some reason I still find this better than the standard sets

Virizion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 88 Atk / 168 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature (+Spe, -Def)
- Work Up
- Close Combat
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Ice]

88 Atk allows +1 Virizion to OHKO every single special wall with or without SR using close combat. the only way this Pokemon is stilled is when it is hit by a surprise Physical Flying Type ATK

You won't be staying in for as long as the CM set or hit as hard as the SD set so I think it's better in OO (where it already was).
 
hi this is a kind of late comment, but you really need to fix up the checks and counters section + some other stuff

-thundurus never counters virizion, its hp ice can even 4hko if sandstorm is not present after virizion has used calm mind and is holding leftovers. virizion also threatens to ko with an hp ice after sr.
-you cannot say one of its main counters is reuniclus and it outspeeds if trick room is up. if trick room is up, reuniclus must have set it up prior and is not directly coming in to counter virizion. remember, a counter is a pokemon who can switch into another and immediately threaten them. reuniclus is switching in, therefore trick room will not be up. im not denying that reuniclus is not a counter, as its a strong one, but just remove the trick room comment.
-the dragonite one is iffy as once again its expected to be taking a boosted hp ice, not an unboosted one, and it is koed by the offensive calm mind set after sr as multiscale has not activated
-get scizor and jirachi in there!! jirachi is probably the most used virizion counter and scizor takes on the standard cm easy and can ko the sd version after its used cc.

other stuff:

remove the acrobatics comment "-such as Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Gliscor (you need Hidden Power Ice for the latter as Acrobatics is an OHKO)" as no one uses acrobatics gliscor and if they are, theyre using an outclassed set. if you dont believe me, the gliscor analysis doesnt even have an acrobatics set listed as its just plain..bad for the reason ive identified and any more in that thread.

-"common flying types like zapdos and gliscor" no one uses zapdos, at least not until lightningrod is released, change to thundurus and gliscor, as thundurus is much more common.

- "Virizion's main counters are Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus;" mention jirachi here once again, and remove thundurus as its not beating a +1 virizion ever, unless it has acrobatics or hp flying.

- "Gliscor, one of the best physical walls, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobat," remove the mention of acrobat.
 
-thundurus never counters virizion, its hp ice can even 4hko if sandstorm is not present after virizion has used calm mind and is holding leftovers. virizion also threatens to ko with an hp ice after sr. AGREE, REMOVED

-you cannot say one of its main counters is reuniclus and it outspeeds if trick room is up. if trick room is up, reuniclus must have set it up prior and is not directly coming in to counter virizion. remember, a counter is a pokemon who can switch into another and immediately threaten them. reuniclus is switching in, therefore trick room will not be up. im not denying that reuniclus is not a counter, as its a strong one, but just remove the trick room comment. I DON'T AGREE, Reuniclus is a counter and can threaten Virizion out with the advantage of setting up TR or CM on the switch

-the dragonite one is iffy as once again its expected to be taking a boosted hp ice, not an unboosted one, and it is koed by the offensive calm mind set after sr as multiscale has not activated AGREE, REMOVED

-get scizor and jirachi in there!! jirachi is probably the most used virizion counter and scizor takes on the standard cm easy and can ko the sd version after its used cc. AGREE WITH JIRACHI, ADDED ON THE CM SET AC. DISAGREE WITH SCIZOR, Scizor is OHKOed by +2 Close Combat

other stuff:

remove the acrobatics comment "-such as Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Gliscor (you need Hidden Power Ice for the latter as Acrobatics is an OHKO)" as no one uses acrobatics gliscor and if they are, theyre using an outclassed set. if you dont believe me, the gliscor analysis doesnt even have an acrobatics set listed as its just plain..bad for the reason ive identified and any more in that thread. AGREE, REMOVED

-"common flying types like zapdos and gliscor" no one uses zapdos, at least not until lightningrod is released, change to thundurus and gliscor, as thundurus is much more common. AGREE, REPLACED

- "Virizion's main counters are Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus;" mention jirachi here once again, and remove thundurus as its not beating a +1 virizion ever, unless it has acrobatics or hp flying. AGREE, ADDED AND REMOVED

- "Gliscor, one of the best physical walls, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and OHKO back with STAB Acrobat," remove the mention of acrobat. AGREE, REMOVED

This analysis was finished almost 4 months ago when Zapdos was still a common sight (people still with DPP mentality) and Acrobatics Gliscor was the main set on the analysis so this definitely needed this update.

Thanks a lot!
 
zdrup asked me to GP the revamped Counters section, so here I am.

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<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniclus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room in Reuniclus's case) Virizion and can OHKO it either with Psyshock or Hurricane. Virizion also has some trouble getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress; it isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense, so it's able to it can take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return. Mixed Tyranitar is a great check for all these Pokemon, abusing the Special Defense boost in the sand to KO Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus with Pursuit / Crunch, while the genies are taken down with Stone Edge and Forretress roasted with Fire Blast.</p>

Done.
 
zdrup asked me to GP the revamped Counters section, so here I am.

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<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniclus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room in Reuniclus's case) Virizion and can OHKO it either with Psyshock or Hurricane. Virizion also has some trouble getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress; it isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense, so it's able to it can take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return. Mixed Tyranitar is a great check for all these Pokemon, abusing the Special Defense boost in the sand to KO Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus with Pursuit / Crunch, while the genies are taken down with Stone Edge and Forretress roasted with Fire Blast.</p>

Done.

thanks C_P, just wanted to make sure everything was ok after the update. implemented
 
[Overview]

<p>Let's face it, Virizion is a Pokemon that simply oozes class. Its superior attitude and power mean that its legendary status is well deserved. The Grass- / Fighting-type combination is only shared with Breloom, but Virizion has many advantages over its mushroom counterpart.</p>

<p>One thing immediately stands out when looking at Virizion's assets: its 129 base Special Defense that, alongside its typing, makes it one of the best Pokemon to use against weather-based teams. Its 108 Speed stat, shared with the other musketeers (Terrakion and Cobalion), allows it to outspeed most of the OU tier. Virizion also has access to both Calm Mind and Swords Dance, so it can work as either as a very bulky special sweeper or an all-out physical sweeper.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, Virizion isn't without its negative aspects. It has to rely on the incredibly inaccurate Focus Blast on the special sweeper set. Its Defense stat is decent at best, and it has some trouble taking strong neutral physical attacks. Its Justified ability is also a rather useless one since Dark-type attacks are rare in OU and Tyranitar, its main user, won't be staying in on any of Virizion's sets. Despite these faults however, Virizion is still a great Pokemon and it should always be considered when building a team.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move1: Calm Mind
move2: Giga Drain
move3: Focus Blast
move4: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 30 Atk / 30 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Using Calm Mind, Virizion can boost its already impressive Special Defense and decent Special Attack, allowing it to beat stall team staples such as Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Gliscor. Its Grass STAB - Giga Drain - lets Virizion heal itself while causing massive damage to the opponent. Focus Blast is chosen as the secondary STAB move, despite its low accuracy, because it's the only special Fighting-type attack that Virizion learns and it's needed to KO Chansey / Blissey and Ferrothorn that would otherwise wall Virizion. The last move depends on what you want Virizion to do, but Hidden Power Ice is usually the best option in order to hit the Flying-types that resist its STAB moves.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The first three moves are, as stated above, mandatory, leaving the fourth slot up for grabs. Hidden Power Ice is the preferred option in order to deal with common Flying-types like Thundurus and Gliscor, while netting an OHKO on Salamence (with Stealth Rock on the field) and Garchomp with a little prior damage. Taunt is the alternative, and it gives Virizion many opportunities to set up against Pokemon that rely on status moves to prevent a Virizion sweep, such as Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn. Reflect may look like an inferior option, but it does have its merit; behind it, Virizion can set up on physical attackers that would otherwise dole out significant damage. Leftovers is the preferred item as it provides Virizion with more durability, possibily granting it one more Calm Mind, but Life Orb can be used for the extra power it provides, since it maximizes the amount of health recovered by Giga Drain. However, when playing under Sandstorm or Hail, be aware that Virizion will take 16% damage per turn if it's holding Life Orb.</p>

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latios, Latias, and Reuniclus; they can come in, set up Calm Minds alongside Virizion, while laughing at its STAB moves and meagre Hidden Power Ice, and then OHKO it with STAB Psyshock. Tornadus outspeeds Virizion and can OHKO with Hurricane, while specially bulky Jirachi can switch in, paralyze with Body Slam or Thunder Wave and proceed to KO with Iron Head. A Pokemon that can eliminate these threats is therefore a good partner for Virizion. Tyranitar is one of the best because it can use Pursuit and Crunch to eliminate the Psychic-type counters, while Tornadus can be dealt with by STAB Stone Edge. Specially bulky Jirachi is another good Pokemon to pair Virizion with as it can take everything the aforementioned counters throw at it, while paralyzing them with Body Slam and healing itself and Virizion with Wish.</p>

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move1: Swords Dance
move2: Close Combat
move3: Stone Edge
move4: Leaf Blade / Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With Swords Dance, Virizion only needs one turn of setup to start sweeping, as opposed to the Calm Mind set, which usually needs two or three turns to make an impact. However, it doesn't do anything for Virizion's defenses (Close Combat lowers them), so Virizion will usually have fewer turns to inflict damage before it gets knocked out. Swords Dance is the boosting move of choice, skyrocketing the musketeer's Attack to a beastly 558. Virizion can then make good use of a very powerful STAB Close Combat to destroy anything that isn't resistant or immune to it. Stone Edge grants great coverage, hitting Flying-types for super effective damage. The last slot is a choice between two moves; Leaf Blade is usually the better choice, since it provides Virizion with a second good STAB move to work with, netting OHKOs on bulky Ground- and Water-types.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>In the last slot, Leaf Blade may seem superior to Hidden Power Ice with no investment. However, when one takes into account the fact that Gliscor, one of the best physical walls, can survive a +2 Leaf Blade and proceed to poison Virizion and attempt to stall it do to death, the value of Hidden Power Ice immediately becomes apparent; Hidden Power Ice is a clean 2HKO on Gliscor, so all it takes is some prior damage to take it out.</p>

<p>When using this set, Virizion loses out on some important KOs against more defensive Pokemon, like the aforementioned Gliscor. However, Virizion does make a great partner for other physical sweepers, it can take large chunks out of the opposing team's walls, thus opening up a sweep for another teammate like Air Balloon Excadrill or Swords Dance Terrakion. If you want Virizion to be the main sweeper, Landorus can lure Gliscor in and OHKO it with Hidden Power Ice, opening up a sweep for the musketeer.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Virizion's support movepool is huge, and it allows the musketeer to perform a number of roles on your team, although it may not be as effective as other support Pokemon. It gets Reflect and Light Screen so it can act as a dual screener; in that case it should have a Bold nature, investment in HP and Defense, and Giga Drain to let it set up screens again later in the game. It also gets Toxic and Roar, so it can act as a special wall and a phazer after some defensive investment.</p>

<p>If one wants Virizion to act as a mixed sweeper, a Work Up set is a viable option; Hasty and max Speed should be used in this case to allow Virizion to tie with Terrakion and Infernape, with a moveset of Close Combat, Giga Drain, and Hidden Power Ice. Virizion is also a part of the legendary Fighting-type group and, as such, it has access to their signature move Sacred Sword; it has 30 less Base Power than Close Combat but it does have two advantages: it doesn't lower Virizion's defenses and it bypasses the opponent's stats changes, which can be useful. This move can replace Close Combat on the Swords Dance set if the defense drops prove to be unbearable.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Virizion's main counters are Latias, Latios, Reuniclus, and Tornadus; they all outspeed (using Trick Room in Reuniclus's case) Virizion and can OHKO it either with Psyshock or Hurricane. Virizion also has some trouble getting past Gliscor with the Swords Dance set, but of course Gliscor must watch out for Hidden Power Ice. Another Pokemon that can be problematic is Forretress; it isn't weak to Fighting-type attacks and has a huge base Defense stat, so it can take a boosted attack and use Gyro Ball to do significant damage in return.</p>

Two minor nit picks, changed do to to and added in 'stat' because it reads strangely without it.
 
Toxicroak should be noted as a counter due to the fact it resists all of virizion's common moves. In rain, it can also Bulk up+substitute to beat virizion with drain punch.
 
Toxicroak isn't a counter. It can not safely switch in on every Virizion set due to pathetic bulk and it will almost definitely be 2HKO'd by any HP Ice.
 
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