Uxie or Cresselia

Is one completly better than the other?

  • No, both have their pros and cons, and depends on their team

    Votes: 103 43.3%
  • No, but one is slightly better than the other.

    Votes: 34 14.3%
  • Yes, Cresselia is overall better than Uxie

    Votes: 70 29.4%
  • Yes, Uxie is overall better than Cresselia.

    Votes: 31 13.0%

  • Total voters
    238
Uxie, has always been considered a weaker clone of Cresselia. Why? They are both psychic types. Although having slightly lower speed/df, Cresselia has a massive hp of 120. I'm not saying that Uxie is a better wall than Cresselia, or vice versa. But what your intake on if one should ALWAYS be used over the other.




What moves does both Uxie and Cresselia have?
  • Rest
  • Calm Mind
  • Toxic
  • *HP Fight
  • Light Screen
  • Protect
  • Sunny Day
  • Rain Dance
  • Psychic
  • Thunder
  • Shadow Ball
  • Reflect
  • Energy Ball
  • Charge Beam
  • T-wave
  • Sleep Talk
  • Grass Knot
  • Skill Swap
  • Substitute
  • Trick Room
  • Solar Beam
75/75/130/75/130/95
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What does Uxie have that Cresselia doesn't?
  1. Yawn
  2. Amnesia
  3. Extrasensory
  4. Water Pulse
  5. Thunderbolt
  6. Stealth Rock
  7. U-turn
  8. Giga Drain
Yawn is basically the staple of most Uxie sets, because it is basically the move that really seperates Uxie from Cresselia.

Amnesia/Extrasensory are outclassed by CM/Pyschic respectively, but I thought they deserved a mention since they could be better. (More sp.df boost/flinch rate).

Water Pulse is a weak powered move, and not very good offensive move, but paired up with T-wave, it could cause problem with parafusion. Compare its 20% chance of causing confusion to Blissey's 20% chance of causing freeze with Ice Beam.

Thunderbolt is stronger than charge beam and overall more liked than charge beam. Which is something that Cress doesn't have. Pyschic+Thunderbolt, is also another common staple for Uxie, since it is only blocked by these pokemon that are OU/UBER. Celebi, Magnezone, Dialga, Lati@s.

Stealth Rock is considered one of the best support moves in the game. So much, that it is infact considered for a possible ban. Not much to say here.

U-turn, is also a great move for considering when making TR. Obviously the base 95 speed doesn't look very appealing, but with - speed nature, and 0 speed ivs, it hits 175 at level 100. So you TR, and then you U-turn your way out of there.

Giga Drain, is basically useless, since it is outclassed greatly by energy ball / Grass knot, despite having its healing properties.

120/70/120/75/130/85
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What does Cresselia have that Uxie doesn't?

  1. Moonlight
  2. Psycho Shift
  3. Lunar Dance
  4. Ice Beam
Moonlight is an instant recovery move.Good news unlike rest it doesn't take 2 turns up, or 2 move slots. Bad news, Abomasnow, Hippowdon, Tyranitar, which are all OU, make Moonlight's 50% recovery into a measly 25% recovery.

Pyscho Shift is a great move to use. It can pass on any status that it has received, great for passing on those toxics flying around.

Lunar Dance is Cresselia's signature move. It completely heals the following pokemon. So basically what it does, is KO itself, and then the following pokemon gets a max potion. It could have its use of course, but the moveslot could be used for better moves.

Ice Beam, is one of its best moves, is is great for thos 4x dragons, gliscor, torterra(BL but meh), and even 2x weak. Ice is considered the best offensive type and is better than HP ice by a long shot.

I am not asking if you as a community think if Uxie is better than Cresselia or Vice Versa, but I am asking do you think that Uxie can do some things better than cresselia can? Is Uxie as viable?

If I missed any moves, please note.

If Calcs are necessary tell me which pokemon to do. Make sure to list move, and which set the pokemon would be using. Please refer to the analysis's here.
 
I think Uxie has finally found it's niche with the SR, Yawn, U-turn, protect/filler set. That has kind of solved the problem with the outclassing thing, more support than a wall.
 
I have a rather huge bias towards Uxie because ever since I started to use the thing I loved it entirely. But I think OVERALL Cress is SLIGHTLY better, because it can take larger hits and has Ice Beam > Thunderbolt. However, I've used Thunderbolt a lot with good success on Uxie, so it's definitely still very useful. Ice IS a better type to attack with under most circumstances though...

Both have their own unique sets though, so both are viable for different reasons. A Yawn/Turn into something like Dugtrio is just classic though :)
 
For those of you choosing the 3rd option, could I get more explanation. The point of the thread was to discuss it, not vote and run.
 
Cresselia is a wall that becomes a threat over time with Calm Mind or Charge Beam. Uxie is more support than anything else. Its hard to really say since they have different roles.

Its like Salamence vs. Garchomp. One may seem better but they have very different roles.
 
I'm voting for Cress, although a lot of people don't like it because it just "sits there", it has superior defence with ice beam. Calm mind cress is also very annoying if you don't have a T-tar on your team. Numbers 2,3 and 8 are pretty much useless options for Uxie so the only things it has over cress are Stealth rock/U-turn/Yawn. Even if Uxie has better support, so many things can learn Stealth rock so its not too much of a problem for Cress.
 
I'm voting for Cress, although a lot of people don't like it because it just "sits there", it has superior defence with ice beam. Calm mind cress is also very annoying if you don't have a T-tar on your team. Numbers 2,3 and 8 are pretty much useless options for Uxie so the only things it has over cress are Stealth rock/U-turn/Yawn. Even if Uxie has better support, so many things can learn Stealth rock so its not too much of a problem for Cress.


I wasn't claiming that SR is perfect for Uxie, but when building a team, and it is an option of Uxie or Cresselia, one of uxies advantages are having access to SR.

I think I did mention, that 2,3, and 8 were pointless, but I felt the need to put them up anyway.
 
Voted option 1.

Uxie is excellent if you can U-Turn to something good on your team to set up after a Yawn. Yawn and U-Turn is such a bloody awesome combo, and Uxie can easily pull that combo off well for your team if you can use the switch to set up. Stealth Rock makes him excellent too. Thunderbolt is nice to counter Gyarados, but I use Mesprit for the Bolt-Beam combo.

Cresselia is great too. Overall, she's a better tank (as opposed to Uxie who is a better supporter) thanks to Moonlight alone. Better HP is a plus too.

It all depends on what your team needs. If it needs a bulky supporter, go Uxie. If it needs a tank of any sort, go Cresselia. I must say I always have to consider the ol' Cressy when using Snorlax as my special wall (as always) due to Snorlax's much needed coverage of fighting moves in a physical wall partner.
 
cressy just sits there. uxie can actually do shit like sr + yawn.

This. When comparing Blissey with Cresselia, (which isn't even logical because they both do different things, but I am referring to them as walls) I would rather choose Blissey, because like Blissey, Cresselia is bait. Blissey can atleast Wish Pass, but Cresselia just sits there, hoping to get a boost from Charge Beam. Uxie is very awesome to play with, being able to U-Turn into a predicted Tyranitar switch in is nice, Stealth Rock and Yawn are pretty good moved too.
 
They both get Trick Room?

Well, anyways, my argument is that Uxie is normally used to Trick Room than U-Turn while Cresselia is more there as a generic wall. I say Cresselia is better because it has more varied roles, but it does not entirely outclassed Uxie because Uxie is better at Trick Room.
 
They both get Trick Room?

Well, anyways, my argument is that Uxie is normally used to Trick Room than U-Turn while Cresselia is more there as a generic wall. I say Cresselia is better because it has more varied roles, but it does not entirely outclassed Uxie because Uxie is better at Trick Room.

Yes they both get TR, I double checked.
 
Cresselia is way better. The extra HP makes up for the lower SpD/Def Stat. Not only that but the CM set is a bitch to take down after its counters are dead. Cresselia dosent just sit there it functions as a very good roll at team support and if taking hits like a champ is called "just sitting there" then I'm a hypocritical asshole. Having a reliable recovery move isnt hurting Cresselia either >_>
 
Cresselia is way better. The extra HP makes up for the lower SpD/Def Stat. Not only that but the CM set is a bitch to take down after its counters are dead. Cresselia dosent just sit there it functions as a very good roll at team support and if taking hits like a champ is called "just sitting there" then I'm a hypocritical asshole. Having a reliable Recovery move isnt hurting Cresselia either >_>

I never said that the slight drop in df/speed made up for the enormous hp difference. And from what I've seen moonlight isn't much of a "reliable" recovery move considering some of the most common OU pokemon make it more "un-reliable"
 
Cresselia is way better. The extra HP makes up for the lower SpD/Def Stat. Not only that but the CM set is a bitch to take down after its counters are dead. Cresselia dosent just sit there it functions as a very good roll at team support and if taking hits like a champ is called "just sitting there" then I'm a hypocritical asshole. Having a reliable Recovery move isnt hurting Cresselia either >_>

Lol... yes a low PP recovery (hello pressure), that is also nerfed in sandstorm (CB TTar says hi) is completely reliable.
 
nerfed in sandstorm (CB TTar says hi) is completely reliable.
Moonlight is still better than Rest in most situations and even it it isn't Cresselia gets Rest so no problem. Both Cress and Uxie get fucked over by Tyranitar so why are you even bringing it up.

EDIT**
 
Well, yea. Cress gets shut down by Tyranitar. Alot of Pokemon have 100% counters. But on the other hand, Cress can kill shit with a Calm Mind or Charge Beam boost. Uxie just runs away. Now who's just "sitting there"?
 
Well, yea. Cress gets shut down by Tyranitar. Alot of Pokemon have 100% counters. But on the other hand, Cress can kill shit with a Calm Mind or Charge Beam boost. Uxie just runs away. Now who's just "sitting there"?

Forbidden makes that comment, and it is used as fact? That was forbiddens opinon and not of this thread. Uxie can still do something. Uxie could still u-turn , reflect, energy ball, or grass knot. Hit it with supereffective moves, or protect itself. Uxie is faster than tyranitar, if it isn't TR uxie, or the tyranitar isn't DD, which you guys were claiming that CB was a threat.
 
I would much rather pick Uxie over Cresselia, any day. Uxie is just a more dynamic pokemon to use and more of a team player with U-turn, Stealth Rock, and a bunch of other support options. Cresselia on the other hand, while bulkier, can't do much more than soak hits. I would even go as far as to say Uxie does the CM thing (offensively) slightly better thanks to better speed.
 
movepool wise, the only thing cress has on uxie is "reliable" recovery ("reliable" due to ss) ice beam and gargantuan hp, however the latter is what allows her to build momentum and potential sweep wither with CM/CB which is all i'd ever use it for really. reflect+twave is kinda lame tbh. people tend to use her as a "pure" chomp counter like that which i dont dig.

i kinda wanna try aldarons uxie soon, i keep forgetting its faster than luke :o
 
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