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You're reading a little too much into it I feel, I'm definitely not reading that much active malice in what Sinnoh got. And I'm saying this as someone who is both a Sinnoh fan and a Unova fan and grew up with both gens.

Sinnoh got plenty of love in the past two years. BDSP may be pretty ass but Legends: Arceus is really fun and a great and interesting way to revisit Sinnoh by being a Sinnoh "pre-make" and is by far the biggest risk they have ever took with mainline Pokemon, and we're talking a series that more often than not takes very minimal risks with its mainline games.

People forget Legends: Arceus was the real "Sinnoh remake" from Game Freak's POV and is actually indicative of a new direction they want to take old region revisits. BDSP was basically a "safety net" because PLA was by far the biggest risk they ever took, and while not perfect as it was using the flawed Sword and Shield engine it took off very well and is a great way to revisit an old region. It may not have been like HGSS and ORAS in every way, which in my eyes both peaked the "remake" concept in different ways, but it was a good way to revisit Sinnoh and was very deviant from classic mainline gameplay in fun ways. BDSP was basically the safety cushion they needed financially because PLA was both super different and was delayed two months due to COVID and couldn't make it to Holiday/Black Friday so BDSP covered both of those from a commercial standpoint as something that was guaranteed to sell while also incentivizing new players to buy PLA.

Teal Mask in SV also made some nice Sinnoh shoutouts with the Sinnoh starters being available as an egg from Jacq, and all three of them getting great buffs to make them better, Ursaluna getting a new form in the Bloodmoon form, and Perrin being Adaman's descendant and the PLA Wild theme being there as well.

Unova is getting a lot of love but I wouldn't say it's getting a "proper remake" as we don't know what's next after SV's DLC which is now fully out. Indigo Disk takes place in Unova in the future, and you have here an antithesis of what PLA did: PLA had ancestors of DPP characters, Unova has characters who are children/grandchildren of BW1/2 characters, like Lacey being implied to be Clay's daughter and Drayton being implied to be Drayden's grandson, and some BW theme remixes and whatnot and Meloetta, but it's definitely future Unova as opposed to PLA being ancient Sinnoh.

I do think Game Freak is done with doing by-the-number remakes with ORAS remaining the last of its kind. Which is to say, for all we know the next Unova game that comes out this generation could actually be another sequel to the BW series, since Black and White's follow up game was a sequel in Black 2 and White 2, the next game after SV DLC could be yet another sequel story in Black 3 and White 3 that follows up both BW1/2 and Indigo Disk, probably being concurrent with ID since ID is Unova in the future. That's very much something I could see happening.

Which is to say, we've reached a point in the Switch era where you never know what might happen.
Legends Arceus was certainly an interesting game and I liked what it brought to the table, but my main point of contention is that all of that fun left Sinnoh with...nothing that will be remembered from its remakes besides the fact that it was the guinea pig for a new line that would get a massive upgrade in the region coming after it? ORAS will always be remembered for mega evolutions that turned Hoenn shitters into meta-defining threats as well as how the Nature Trio dominated the competitive scene after getting their upgrades, but PLA will be remembered for...introducing Pokemon where half of that cast originated elsewhere as well as giving two members of the Creation Trio throat cancer and an amputation (not to mention that those two kind of suck ass competitively)? There is obviously more lore introduced in PLA, but ORAS is not exactly lacking in that department either with things like the Delta Episode.

I also understand that was Gamefreak's PoV regarding the remakes, but I find it difficult to believe that was not malicious - you are correct that we do not know what is in store for Unova right now, but the fact that it is getting so many shoutouts before the generation that its remakes are supposed to be released in is a pretty obvious sign that Gamefreak are approaching them with much more care than Sinnoh was given.

As for your points about the Unova remakes potentially being something a little different, I don't think they affect my argument - as long as it is in the format of a 'classic' Pokemon game and don't suck like BDSP, that is quite proper in my eyes for a remake.
 
You know, it's not like, that surprising that someone would genuinely think that Gamefreak deliberately and maliciously had a mediocre remake made for intensely silly and dumb conspiracy theory level reasons, but it's still super funny to see it being earnestly believed and argued. Also trying to actually agrue that PLA will only be remembered for uhhh, "bad" design choices when like, the vast majority of the talk we've ever seen around it is that it was a damn breath of fresh air compared to how the series has been overall

idk, maybe i'm not blinded enough by weird dumb stuff to understand
 
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As for your points about the Unova remakes potentially being something a little different, I don't think they affect my argument - as long as it is in the format of a 'classic' Pokemon game and don't suck like BDSP, that is quite proper in my eyes for a remake.
That's the problem though, isn't it? Sinnoh got a poor showing of its actual revisit because GF were too busy making a game that isn't in the classic format. What is there to indicate that Unova won't follow the same path?
 
That's the problem though, isn't it? Sinnoh got a poor showing of its actual revisit because GF were too busy making a game that isn't in the classic format. What is there to indicate that Unova won't follow the same path?
The fact that it just got a mini-region in a generation 9 game when its remakes are supposed to come out in generation 10.
 
Also the "Unova got to be in Gen 9 when its remakes are supposed to come out in Gen 10" is feeding into the mindset of patterns that many Pokemon fans make the mistake of falling into, that Game Freak has to follow a specific pattern of releases, formula, and everything.

Game Freak doesn't follow patterns. The concept of "patterns" is a myth and Game Freak can deviate from any perceived patterns at any time. Unova could very likely be getting its new games this generation as follow up games, especially since we're not even halfway through Gen 9's time yet. There's more room for more Gen 9 games and they can do whatever they want whenever they want. If they want to do a Unova revisit this generation, whether it be a BW3 as I said, they'll do it this generation, it's their series and games and they can do whatever they want.

There is no pattern as to when remakes/old gen revisits come out. HGSS, ORAS, and PLA may have been two generations apart from each other, but FRLG and HGSS for instance were only one generation apart from each other, with FRLG being Gen 3 while HGSS was Gen 4. Before Gen 6 most of us thought Ruby and Sapphire remakes were going to be in Gen 5, but they skipped a generation, and it happened in Gen 6 instead because the 3DS was more appropriate to have the ORAS they wanted to make. Heck, LGPE is considered a mainline game and a remake of Yellow and is between ORAS and PLA as basically a second Kanto Remake and technically took place in Gen 7.

If they decide they want to visit Unova again this generation, they'll do it, and in whatever manner they want. Nothing is saying it has to happen specifically in Gen 10 and on the Switch successor, nor that it specifically has to be a by-the-number remake. The fact that Sinnoh was revisited in Gen 8 is not stopping them.

Patterns are a myth. There isn't, and never was, a pattern to how generations of Pokemon are structured. Stuff like "remakes have to be every other generation" or "every generation has to strictly be three years" or "every base game is followed up by a third version or whatever" are merely fan perception and not actual rules Game Freak abides by. They don't abide by rules as to how they design each generation's games. They do what they want in any given moment.
 
Also the "Unova got to be in Gen 9 when its remakes are supposed to come out in Gen 10" is feeding into the mindset of patterns that many Pokemon fans make the mistake of falling into, that Game Freak has to follow a specific pattern of releases, formula, and everything.

Game Freak doesn't follow patterns. The concept of "patterns" is a myth and Game Freak can deviate from any perceived patterns at any time. Unova could very likely be getting its new games this generation as follow up games, especially since we're not even halfway through Gen 9's time yet. There's more room for more Gen 9 games and they can do whatever they want whenever they want. If they want to do a Unova revisit this generation, whether it be a BW3 as I said, they'll do it this generation, it's their series and games and they can do whatever they want.

There is no pattern as to when remakes/old gen revisits come out. HGSS, ORAS, and PLA may have been two generations apart from each other, but FRLG and HGSS for instance were only one generation apart from each other, with FRLG being Gen 3 while HGSS was Gen 4. Before Gen 6 most of us thought Ruby and Sapphire remakes were going to be in Gen 5, but they skipped a generation, and it happened in Gen 6 instead because the 3DS was more appropriate to have the ORAS they wanted to make. Heck, LGPE is considered a mainline game and a remake of Yellow and is between ORAS and PLA as basically a second Kanto Remake and technically took place in Gen 7.

If they decide they want to visit Unova again this generation, they'll do it, and in whatever manner they want. Nothing is saying it has to happen specifically in Gen 10 and on the Switch successor, nor that it specifically has to be a by-the-number remake. The fact that Sinnoh was revisited in Gen 8 is not stopping them.

Patterns are a myth. There isn't, and never was, a pattern to how generations of Pokemon are structured. Stuff like "remakes have to be every other generation" or "every generation has to strictly be three years" or "every base game is followed up by a third version or whatever" are merely fan perception and not actual rules Game Freak abides by. They don't abide by rules as to how they design each generation's games. They do what they want in any given moment.
I fell for it back then when I naively think the Gen 3 remakes are gonna be released during the fifth generation. But if anything, ORAS couldn’t even be called a by the book remake due to important inclusion of Mega Evolution and new Mega forms.

There’s also consideration of the sheer parallels between the Weather Trio and the Aura Trio, it does feels like Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde are spiritual successors to Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza respectively while being distinct in their own right. ORAS only solidify the parallel further with Primal Kyogre’s Primordial Sea and Primal Groudon’s Desolate Land, alongside Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby respectively.

It is clear that ORAS was planned in advance much more than a Pokémon Z. ORAS aren’t just remakes, they are also an indirect sequel to XY by expanding on the Mega Evolution lore and by introducing more Mega forms. As sad as we never got Pokémon Z yet, it is still a better showing compared to how Z-Moves and Dynamax were shown in one region, and then dropped almost entirely, limiting their potentials. Terastalization, while also in just one pair of games, got the nice benefit of also available in Kitakami and even Unova, even if their expansion are still minimal.

It does beg me a question; if Unova is going to be revisited on a full game in either Gen 9 or Gen 10, what could it possibly be? I don’t want to guess as it would violate the “do not wishlist” rule. But there’s something that might be a sign of something else…

There’s the existence of Kingambit, the new cross-gen evolution for a Gen 5 line, and Archaludon and Hydrapple, two new cross-gen evolutions discovered in Blueberry Academy that is stationed in Unova.
  • Kingambit might have a good chance to be included in the possible upcoming Unova game since the Pawniard line is introduced in Unova.
  • While Hydrapple may be a result of a recent and unexpected discovery by Dipplin learning Dragon Cheers, Archaludon feels like it was there the whole time, it just that Metal Alloy wasn’t exported to Galar yet. It’s also such an irony that Unova, the region infamous of absolutely no cross-gen relationship with past Pokémon, ended up being the place where those two are discovered for the very first time.
  • There’s also Basculegion, though that one’s more associated with Hisui considering their Japanese origin. Still, it and White-Striped Basculin aren’t found only in Hisui, as they managed to stay alive through years and live Kitakami, so a possibility of getting a White-Striped Basculin via in-game trade isn’t out of question.
With those in mind, whether or not if Gen 9 or Gen 10 introduce a new Unova full game, there’s no certainty if more cross-gens or even regional forms would be introduced in that game, but if Hisui got away with it, then it’s also a non-zero chance.

One thing for sure, I’ll give Game Freak credit for getting ready for different plans for different future revisits.
 
It was never about the tree.

It was about how so many Pokemon fans lost something significant for no apparent reason, only to receive nothing in return

despite even being promised they would receive things in return.

Personally, I believe all dexit did for the Switch era was give Gamefreak opportunities to cut out more content and rush games harder than ever before, only to repackage their missing content for an extra $30-35 as DLC. It literally did nothing else during this era. Competitive is more broken than it ever was within the past several generations, graphics look ugly this time around, the animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit, sure it made completing the dex is somewhat more appealing, but it could've easily been like Gen 7 where you could use all the existing Pokemon while still just having a regional dex. In regards to playability of metagames, National Dex Anything Goes is virtually unplayable now, yes. That's not because we have too many Pokemon. That's because Gamefreak made many of their stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series throughout the Switch generations alone and they've taken a massive toll on the entire premise overall. Dexit also did not give Gamefreak less overall work. It just gave them opportunities to blitz through game after game now to send them out in shorter durations than ever. It's giving Gamefreak more room to maximize their profit by exploiting the trust of the playerbase. I'm sorry to get nasty here but I genuinely cannot see it any other way. The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9. Their priority isn't to make the best game they could, but to make the most money they can get, which right now is by spending less time and money on the resources of one game, and pushing out as many different games as possible.

To me, this is why I believe Scarlet and Violet dropped the way they did, and why Gamefreak has been dodging any promises to spend more time on the games, despite acknowledging their schedules were an issue. It's confirmed by some of Gamefreak's dissatisfied staff through company reviews, that they know Pokemon games will still get a lot of sales no matter what state the game is finalized in, by virtue of being a main series Pokemon game. Thanks to this, a lot of the higher ups in Pokemon don't really care how the final product ends up.


I made this sometime ago and posted it somewhere, but was proud of it so I want to share it somewhere else.
This is 100% accurate, and it saddens me because there’s clearly at least some people in gamefreak who want to give a crap about the game, but because the directors, and big wigs in the company know they don’t have to bother it just means we’ll just keep getting worse and worse product without a care.
And that’s before getting into so many people online and the community not holding Gamefreak accountable, I swear the next game could have a 1/100 chance of causing you’re switch to explode and people will still come out of the wood work to defend them for it and it’s exhausting.
 
Just to put everyone on the same page, the list of remakes and revisits we've seen so far:
Fire Red/Leaf Green, Gen III
Heart Gold/Soul Silver, Gen IV
Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, Gen VI (gosh, remember when "Hoenn remakes confirmed!" was a meme? Good times)
Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, Gen VII
Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl, Gen VIII
Legends: Arceus, Gen VIII

Notably, there haven't exactly been many of them, and I don't think most of them were that...improved? FR/LG updated everything and were the easiest way to get Gen I mons that were missing after the GBA released, but the only new thing added was the Sevii Islands. HG/SS were fine, but notably ignored the most common complaints about GSC(though they did replace Crystal's Battle Tower with a clone of the Platinum Battle Frontier). ORAS mostly just added Megas and the postgame plotline while screwing the balance. LGPE and L:A are the only ones I think were massively changed rather than just rebuilt in the new engine.

It's also entirely possible that Indigo Disk is the Unova revisit, and nothing more will happen with the region for a while.
Nah. They still haven't used the Monkeys or Patarat in any Switch games. Those are the only non-Furfrou families to be treated like this. They're being held back for some reason, and Unova remakes/Legends: Kyurem make the most sense.
 
Just to put everyone on the same page, the list of remakes and revisits we've seen so far:
Fire Red/Leaf Green, Gen III
Heart Gold/Soul Silver, Gen IV
Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, Gen VI (gosh, remember when "Hoenn remakes confirmed!" was a meme? Good times)
Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, Gen VII
Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl, Gen VIII
Legends: Arceus, Gen VIII

Notably, there haven't exactly been many of them, and I don't think most of them were that...improved? FR/LG updated everything and were the easiest way to get Gen I mons that were missing after the GBA released, but the only new thing added was the Sevii Islands. HG/SS were fine, but notably ignored the most common complaints about GSC(though they did replace Crystal's Battle Tower with a clone of the Platinum Battle Frontier). ORAS mostly just added Megas and the postgame plotline while screwing the balance. LGPE and L:A are the only ones I think were massively changed rather than just rebuilt in the new engine.


Nah. They still haven't used the Monkeys or Patarat in any Switch games. Those are the only non-Furfrou families to be treated like this. They're being held back for some reason, and Unova remakes/Legends: Kyurem make the most sense.
I’ve been thinking of that, too. While it’s not like the Cranidos + Shieldon situation where every Fossil Pokémon lines except those two are in Crown Tundra which is a massive giveaway even before hindsight, it’s still very odd thay the Elemental Monkies didn’t came back despite SV’s emphasis on type interaction with Terastalization. While I get their and the Patrat line’s absence due to their severe unpopularity, it’s an absence too conspicious, especially since the similarly unpopular Basculin (the Red-Striped and Blue-Stripes, more specifically) also got in base SwSh.

As for Furfrou, it is obvious in hindsight due to already coming with a lot of form changes that does nothing, so GF, rushing their games, wouldn’t want to deal with it until the place is appropriate.
 
there's no reason to do that
There is one actually, and it's more logical than you'd expect.

Shinylocked legendaries have their shinys usually distributed via events.
In last couple generations, this specifically has been done as Battle Spot seasons rewards and occasionally as shop collab rewards (aka, you go to GameStop and get them)

Ultimately, they need incentives for keeping people playing, but they cannot distribute gameplay altering stuff. Kinda like for example League rewards a special skin for reaching a certain rank or higher, TPCI has been distributing Shiny legendaries as reward since gen 7 (when they first gave out the various Shiny Tapus).

It's pretty harmless ultimately as it gives some kind of "trophy" to brag with while not giving any actual "well if you missed it you're out of luck" like it used to be with event-only moves.
 
i like classic remakes for the simple reason of "i want to play older gens but i am too used to the QoL of newer gens". even the DS games feel a bit clunky in comparison (and original diamond/pearl was Very clunky from day one......). however, obviously legends style of games add so much more to the franchise and is the way to go when it comes to revisiting old regions. i hope we go back to johto soon, by the way - it's been a WHILE
 
i like classic remakes for the simple reason of "i want to play older gens but i am too used to the QoL of newer gens". even the DS games feel a bit clunky in comparison (and original diamond/pearl was Very clunky from day one......). however, obviously legends style of games add so much more to the franchise and is the way to go when it comes to revisiting old regions. i hope we go back to johto soon, by the way - it's been a WHILE
I'd say Legend-type games are a bit of double edged sword.

On one hand, yes, they add a lot more than just a remake does, as they're basically entire new games with new story, new setting, new character and thus, new lore.

On the other hand... the amount of time and money investment for a "Legends" game to be produced is significantly higher than a remake one considering remakes already have a story and map to work with, and just need it to be updated to modern era.
Remakes are sadly more a "we need a game release this year between the dlcs and the next main series one, let's throw a remake in there", and as BDSP shown, GF isn't even willing to commit their own developers to them.

Personally, I'd rather have more "alternative games" than more remakes, realistically speaking there's very little improvements to be done on gen 5 onwards considering the DS era was not that different from the current ones gameplaywise (aside from movepools and the fairy type existing).
I know GF is kinda lacking time and people (off their own choice, sadly, sigh) and thus the "easier to develop" remakes would probably mean we get better ones out (assuming they actually make them themselves and don't half-ass assign them to third parties again), but I would rather them keep with either reimaginations (like Let's Go) or completely new games (like Arceus) than just have "Black and White 1.5 electric halfaloo"
(Moreso considering that, as I said, once we reach gen 6 games... would we even really get anything different from a remake other than updated graphics?)
 
It was never about the tree.

It was about how so many Pokemon fans lost something significant for no apparent reason, only to receive nothing in return

despite even being promised they would receive things in return.

Personally, I believe all dexit did for the Switch era was give Gamefreak opportunities to cut out more content and rush games harder than ever before, only to repackage their missing content for an extra $30-35 as DLC. It literally did nothing else during this era. Competitive is more broken than it ever was within the past several generations, graphics look ugly this time around, the animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit, sure it made completing the dex is somewhat more appealing, but it could've easily been like Gen 7 where you could use all the existing Pokemon while still just having a regional dex. In regards to playability of metagames, National Dex Anything Goes is virtually unplayable now, yes. That's not because we have too many Pokemon. That's because Gamefreak made many of their stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series throughout the Switch generations alone and they've taken a massive toll on the entire premise overall. Dexit also did not give Gamefreak less overall work. It just gave them opportunities to blitz through game after game now to send them out in shorter durations than ever. It's giving Gamefreak more room to maximize their profit by exploiting the trust of the playerbase. I'm sorry to get nasty here but I genuinely cannot see it any other way. The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9. Their priority isn't to make the best game they could, but to make the most money they can get, which right now is by spending less time and money on the resources of one game, and pushing out as many different games as possible.

To me, this is why I believe Scarlet and Violet dropped the way they did, and why Gamefreak has been dodging any promises to spend more time on the games, despite acknowledging their schedules were an issue. It's confirmed by some of Gamefreak's dissatisfied staff through company reviews, that they know Pokemon games will still get a lot of sales no matter what state the game is finalized in, by virtue of being a main series Pokemon game. Thanks to this, a lot of the higher ups in Pokemon don't really care how the final product ends up.


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Scarlet/Violet disproves this because of the extra effort they actually did put in to animations and models that people conveniently like to forget. A lot of old Pokemon got new models, and a lot of new animations were added to old Pokemon. Battle, swim, attack, etc.

"Stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series" like what? The new gimmicks? That worked for their audience? Dmax did break up the pacing of VGC which is part of why so many new players got into it in that gen. Tera is popular even if divisive.

"The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9." Okay, add the new texturing, new animations, make it look nice. Something people don't talk about is that for a while, SWSH despite what people said basically did not have Pokemon mods that worked well.

BDSP works well because they did straight up rip the models with no new texturing. But even SWSH, if you just put in an old model at a higher resolution, it will look out of place because every Pokemon in SWSH has different texturing. This is also true of LGPE. Programming a Pokemon gameplay wise is fairly fucking simple, that's always been the case- it's literally a turn based RPG. You are basically putting in spread sheets. That doesn't mean it gets done in the pipeline and ships launched.

"animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit," They literally are not, which is why there is currently a process of replacing the old animations for Pokemon with the SV ones on Showdown. Because they are pretty much just better, more expressive. espeon.gif

Game Freak fundamentally is a company full of developers who give a shit about the games, and is mostly made up of younger fans (frankly, because it's easier to underpay people if it's their dream job). The higher-ups are money hungry for sure, but so is fucking Nintendo.

Do you know how fucked Nintendo would be a lot of the time? I guarantee you Nintendo is a big part of why Pokemon releases so quickly, because Pokemon is a system seller that they can guarantee basically every year, every holiday. Ship their consoles, and oh yeah they make major profits off of it too. Literally the same amount as Game Freak.

Here is the concept art for Scarlet/Violet's overworld:
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Does this read to you as an entirely cynical attempt to just crash out games? Dexit is not entirely justified in every game, I agree. Particularly, BDSP did literally nothing to the models, and I'm pretty sure that was definitely just "We have to stay in line with the new Dexit norms". But even SWSH touched up the models, had to scale for Dynamax, and they've also become entirely ambitious.

The newer dev team has been pining for an open world since well, most of them have been hired; Sword and Shield. If everything about these Switch games was designed just cynically, they'd stick to extremely safe sequels. They'd make an artstyle that works with the basic upscaled 3DS models with no change, so they didn't have to change texturing or shadows on the SWSH models. They'd never implement an open area and new camera, which easily made the most technical errors and housed almost no essential gameplay time.

Scarlet and Violet would have split areas with more loading screens, cut up the game, or just make it flat out linear. Sun and Moon gameplay in 720p would still basically sell as well, and the new artstyle would be unneeded. They made hundreds of new animations, unnecessary, mostly unthanked by players; clearly a sign of the games being designed from the ground up to require less resources or time, even as resources increase.

Legends Arceus would not have been made, they would have been put to work on BDSP. Speaking of, Let's Go was made as pretty much Junichi Masuda's swan song game, and mostly by veteran staff to commemorate their accomplishments. It started dev around the 20th anniversary, the devs wanted to make it. The GO stuff is because that was the majority of what Masuda has been doing for a while.

There is absolutely 1000% a profit element, and that is simply time. But also, Dexit has extremely reasonable points and frankly people underestimate the work into making a 1000 creatures compatible and looking good in a new game. The new Pokemon models and animations are the best looking part of SV, and frankly, I think SWSH battles looked pretty good. Not mindblowing because it's a turn based RPG, could have used better UI work like Legends, which takes notes from Persona 5. But the models, texturing, lighting gave a much better anime look to the battles in that game than Gen 6 or 7 IMO.

So basically, you are somewhat right. A little. Dexit is at least somewhat because profits, but also if you analyze the Switch games by "oh well they did this to cut down on work needed", it doesn't really make fucking sense.

Increase the time for the games please, but frankly, I don't need the National Dex. Scarlet and Violet is an ambitious game by Game Freak with no polishing period, and I want them to keep down that path of ambition.

I truly do not understand the narrative that Game Freak has played it super safe and just designs the games to be easier to develop. My x in Christ,, in two generations of Pokemon we went from semi open world to entirely open world. Six years out of over 30 to create the one major genre shift, and to one that is more costly, expensive, and time consuming to make.
 
Scarlet/Violet disproves this because of the extra effort they actually did put in to animations and models that people conveniently like to forget. A lot of old Pokemon got new models, and a lot of new animations were added to old Pokemon. Battle, swim, attack, etc.

"Stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series" like what? The new gimmicks? That worked for their audience? Dmax did break up the pacing of VGC which is part of why so many new players got into it in that gen. Tera is popular even if divisive.

"The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9." Okay, add the new texturing, new animations, make it look nice. Something people don't talk about is that for a while, SWSH despite what people said basically did not have Pokemon mods that worked well.

BDSP works well because they did straight up rip the models with no new texturing. But even SWSH, if you just put in an old model at a higher resolution, it will look out of place because every Pokemon in SWSH has different texturing. This is also true of LGPE. Programming a Pokemon gameplay wise is fairly fucking simple, that's always been the case- it's literally a turn based RPG. You are basically putting in spread sheets. That doesn't mean it gets done in the pipeline and ships launched.

"animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit," They literally are not, which is why there is currently a process of replacing the old animations for Pokemon with the SV ones on Showdown. Because they are pretty much just better, more expressive. View attachment 581542

Game Freak fundamentally is a company full of developers who give a shit about the games, and is mostly made up of younger fans (frankly, because it's easier to underpay people if it's their dream job). The higher-ups are money hungry for sure, but so is fucking Nintendo.

Do you know how fucked Nintendo would be a lot of the time? I guarantee you Nintendo is a big part of why Pokemon releases so quickly, because Pokemon is a system seller that they can guarantee basically every year, every holiday. Ship their consoles, and oh yeah they make major profits off of it too. Literally the same amount as Game Freak.

Here is the concept art for Scarlet/Violet's overworld:
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Does this read to you as an entirely cynical attempt to just crash out games? Dexit is not entirely justified in every game, I agree. Particularly, BDSP did literally nothing to the models, and I'm pretty sure that was definitely just "We have to stay in line with the new Dexit norms". But even SWSH touched up the models, had to scale for Dynamax, and they've also become entirely ambitious.

The newer dev team has been pining for an open world since well, most of them have been hired; Sword and Shield. If everything about these Switch games was designed just cynically, they'd stick to extremely safe sequels. They'd make an artstyle that works with the basic upscaled 3DS models with no change, so they didn't have to change texturing or shadows on the SWSH models. They'd never implement an open area and new camera, which easily made the most technical errors and housed almost no essential gameplay time.

Scarlet and Violet would have split areas with more loading screens, cut up the game, or just make it flat out linear. Sun and Moon gameplay in 720p would still basically sell as well, and the new artstyle would be unneeded. They made hundreds of new animations, unnecessary, mostly unthanked by players; clearly a sign of the games being designed from the ground up to require less resources or time, even as resources increase.

Legends Arceus would not have been made, they would have been put to work on BDSP. Speaking of, Let's Go was made as pretty much Junichi Masuda's swan song game, and mostly by veteran staff to commemorate their accomplishments. It started dev around the 20th anniversary, the devs wanted to make it. The GO stuff is because that was the majority of what Masuda has been doing for a while.

There is absolutely 1000% a profit element, and that is simply time. But also, Dexit has extremely reasonable points and frankly people underestimate the work into making a 1000 creatures compatible and looking good in a new game. The new Pokemon models and animations are the best looking part of SV, and frankly, I think SWSH battles looked pretty good. Not mindblowing because it's a turn based RPG, could have used better UI work like Legends, which takes notes from Persona 5. But the models, texturing, lighting gave a much better anime look to the battles in that game than Gen 6 or 7 IMO.

So basically, you are somewhat right. A little. Dexit is at least somewhat because profits, but also if you analyze the Switch games by "oh well they did this to cut down on work needed", it doesn't really make fucking sense.

Increase the time for the games please, but frankly, I don't need the National Dex. Scarlet and Violet is an ambitious game by Game Freak with no polishing period, and I want them to keep down that path of ambition.

I truly do not understand the narrative that Game Freak has played it super safe and just designs the games to be easier to develop. My x in Christ,, in two generations of Pokemon we went from semi open world to entirely open world. Six years out of over 30 to create the one major genre shift, and to one that is more costly, expensive, and time consuming to make.
Ransei: SV doesn't really disporve this as they butchered just about all the signature move animations, and many other battle animations this generation harder than ever. There's even been recent posts about it here: and here , about people agreeing with this sentiment.
They are also a very far cry from how they were in Legends Arceus. The running and swimming animations are pretty basic and are part of something they implement every gen, including Gen 7 when they were unused. Animations in general were a significant downgrade from Gens 6, 7, 8. Even the basic eating animation is extremely messed up.


"Stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series" like what? The new gimmicks? That worked for their audience? Dmax did break up the pacing of VGC which is part of why so many new players got into it in that gen. Tera is popular even if divisive.

Ransei: Terastallization has been destroying OU and Anything Goes pretty hard, alongside many other formats. VGC is in one of its most broken states ever and a large portion of the community has been hating it this generation, especially for the Pokemon they decided to bring in like Urshifu and Flutter Mane. Moves that are extremely blatantly problematic like Last Respects, Rage Fist, Population Bomb, Revival Blessing now exist and are ruining a truckton of Smogon formats, for creating an awful environment for those formats. I've watched Pokemon tear itself to shreds throughout the past year because of how battle mechanics have altered the nature of many Gen 9 formats and it's never been anywhere like this before.

"The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9." Okay, add the new texturing, new animations, make it look nice. Something people don't talk about is that for a while, SWSH despite what people said basically did not have Pokemon mods that worked well."

Ransei: Gamefreak are not very incentivized to try very hard to do this.

"BDSP works well because they did straight up rip the models with no new texturing. But even SWSH, if you just put in an old model at a higher resolution, it will look out of place because every Pokemon in SWSH has different texturing. This is also true of LGPE. Programming a Pokemon gameplay wise is fairly fucking simple, that's always been the case- it's literally a turn based RPG. You are basically putting in spread sheets. That doesn't mean it gets done in the pipeline and ships launched."

Ransei: The graphics are continuously complained about by the community for being awful for a Nintendo Switch console. Most people would say it did not work out for BDSP, and the graphics for every Switch game past LGPE are not good.

"animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit," They literally are not, which is why there is currently a process of replacing the old animations for Pokemon with the SV ones on Showdown. Because they are pretty much just better, more expressive. View attachment 581542

Ransei: Some models are being replaced with fan models people come up with for projects but I'm gonna be honest some of them backfired. This Espeon for example, looks like it's trying to pounce, which is very unrealistic for an Espeon by nature. I'd also argue the same for Mega Absol and Mewtwo received a very massive downgrade off having its 3D model changed to resemble its SV model. Not to mention the animations are absolutely worse here than in previous entries, as many of the move animations are now more devoid of soul than ever before, and the way characters move in cutscenes are very unsettling for a Nintendo Switch game.

"Game Freak fundamentally is a company full of developers who give a shit about the games, and is mostly made up of younger fans (frankly, because it's easier to underpay people if it's their dream job). The higher-ups are money hungry for sure, but so is fucking Nintendo.

Do you know how fucked Nintendo would be a lot of the time? I guarantee you Nintendo is a big part of why Pokemon releases so quickly, because Pokemon is a system seller that they can guarantee basically every year, every holiday. Ship their consoles, and oh yeah they make major profits off of it too. Literally the same amount as Game Freak."

Ransei: This is taking a massive influence on how the games turn out, and through employee reviews, Gamefreak is being scored incredibly low because of it. One staff confirmed they know they're releasing low quality games, just because they still make profit anyway.


"Does this read to you as an entirely cynical attempt to just crash out games? Dexit is not entirely justified in every game, I agree. Particularly, BDSP did literally nothing to the models, and I'm pretty sure that was definitely just "We have to stay in line with the new Dexit norms". But even SWSH touched up the models, had to scale for Dynamax, and they've also become entirely ambitious."

Ransei: Dexit carried no real positive aspect on the games or the Pokemon community throughout the entirety of its presence so far. SwSh didn't really touch up on models. They just copied off Gen 7, and made them high res, There was even code in the Gen 6 and 7 games to make the games high res but the 3DS could not handle them. Dynamax scaling was extremely lazy, and no Pokemon outside Dynamax were affected. Pokemon like Wailord and Groudon were still atrociously small for their real sizes in SwSh battles. For Gen 7 it was reasonable due to 3DS limitations, but in an ambitious game on a new console with the most controversial decision made at stake? It's just not acceptable.

"There is absolutely 1000% a profit element, and that is simply time. But also, Dexit has extremely reasonable points and frankly people underestimate the work into making a 1000 creatures compatible and looking good in a new game. The new Pokemon models and animations are the best looking part of SV, and frankly, I think SWSH battles looked pretty good. Not mindblowing because it's a turn based RPG, could have used better UI work like Legends, which takes notes from Persona 5. But the models, texturing, lighting gave a much better anime look to the battles in that game than Gen 6 or 7 IMO."

Ransei: I believe dexit would have to happen inevitably but right now the community has profited 0% from it, especially for the Nintendo Switch console. They could have had the National Dex in Gens 8 and 9, especially with how simplistic the effort they put into each game was in compared to games like Breath of the Wild / Tears of the Kingdom and Xenoblade Chronicles. The games don't even take up remotely as much space. They really just wanted to rush this out as fast as they could and tried to create nearly the minimal amount of what would make people think it could have been worth the money.

Legends Arceus was a step in the right direction but it was unfortunately one blown to the dust one month after release, for the next major game, and yet the major games of the Switch were all less developed in their animations, worldbuilding, and even overall concept than this game, which was designed as testing grounds for them.
 
Ransei: SV doesn't really disporve this as they butchered just about all the signature move animations, and many other battle animations this generation harder than ever. There's even been recent posts about it here: and here , about people agreeing with this sentiment.
They are also a very far cry from how they were in Legends Arceus. The running and swimming animations are pretty basic and are part of something they implement every gen, including Gen 7 when they were unused. Animations in general were a significant downgrade from Gens 6, 7, 8. Even the basic eating animation is extremely messed up.


"Stupidest mechanical decisions in the history of the series" like what? The new gimmicks? That worked for their audience? Dmax did break up the pacing of VGC which is part of why so many new players got into it in that gen. Tera is popular even if divisive.

Ransei: Terastallization has been destroying OU and Anything Goes pretty hard, alongside many other formats. VGC is in one of its most broken states ever and a large portion of the community has been hating it this generation, especially for the Pokemon they decided to bring in like Urshifu and Flutter Mane. Moves that are extremely blatantly problematic like Last Respects, Rage Fist, Population Bomb, Revival Blessing now exist and are ruining a truckton of Smogon formats, for creating an awful environment for those formats. I've watched Pokemon tear itself to shreds throughout the past year because of how battle mechanics have altered the nature of many Gen 9 formats and it's never been anywhere like this before.

"The Switch games even have every single Pokemon in the series programmed in them, but with wiped stats in Gen 8, and completed stats in Gen 9." Okay, add the new texturing, new animations, make it look nice. Something people don't talk about is that for a while, SWSH despite what people said basically did not have Pokemon mods that worked well."

Ransei: Gamefreak are not very incentivized to try very hard to do this.

"BDSP works well because they did straight up rip the models with no new texturing. But even SWSH, if you just put in an old model at a higher resolution, it will look out of place because every Pokemon in SWSH has different texturing. This is also true of LGPE. Programming a Pokemon gameplay wise is fairly fucking simple, that's always been the case- it's literally a turn based RPG. You are basically putting in spread sheets. That doesn't mean it gets done in the pipeline and ships launched."

Ransei: The graphics are continuously complained about by the community for being awful for a Nintendo Switch console. Most people would say it did not work out for BDSP, and the graphics for every Switch game past LGPE are not good.

"animations are worse than any 3D Pokemon game prior to dexit," They literally are not, which is why there is currently a process of replacing the old animations for Pokemon with the SV ones on Showdown. Because they are pretty much just better, more expressive. View attachment 581542

Ransei: Some models are being replaced with fan models people come up with for projects but I'm gonna be honest some of them backfired. This Espeon for example, looks like it's trying to pounce, which is very unrealistic for an Espeon by nature. I'd also argue the same for Mega Absol and Mewtwo received a very massive downgrade off having its 3D model changed to resemble its SV model. Not to mention the animations are absolutely worse here than in previous entries, as many of the move animations are now more devoid of soul than ever before, and the way characters move in cutscenes are very unsettling for a Nintendo Switch game.

"Game Freak fundamentally is a company full of developers who give a shit about the games, and is mostly made up of younger fans (frankly, because it's easier to underpay people if it's their dream job). The higher-ups are money hungry for sure, but so is fucking Nintendo.

Do you know how fucked Nintendo would be a lot of the time? I guarantee you Nintendo is a big part of why Pokemon releases so quickly, because Pokemon is a system seller that they can guarantee basically every year, every holiday. Ship their consoles, and oh yeah they make major profits off of it too. Literally the same amount as Game Freak."

Ransei: This is taking a massive influence on how the games turn out, and through employee reviews, Gamefreak is being scored incredibly low because of it. One staff confirmed they know they're releasing low quality games, just because they still make profit anyway.


"Does this read to you as an entirely cynical attempt to just crash out games? Dexit is not entirely justified in every game, I agree. Particularly, BDSP did literally nothing to the models, and I'm pretty sure that was definitely just "We have to stay in line with the new Dexit norms". But even SWSH touched up the models, had to scale for Dynamax, and they've also become entirely ambitious."

Ransei: Dexit carried no real positive aspect on the games or the Pokemon community throughout the entirety of its presence so far. SwSh didn't really touch up on models. They just copied off Gen 7, and made them high res, There was even code in the Gen 6 and 7 games to make the games high res but the 3DS could not handle them. Dynamax scaling was extremely lazy, and no Pokemon outside Dynamax were affected. Pokemon like Wailord and Groudon were still atrociously small for their real sizes in SwSh battles. For Gen 7 it was reasonable due to 3DS limitations, but in an ambitious game on a new console with the most controversial decision made at stake? It's just not acceptable.

"There is absolutely 1000% a profit element, and that is simply time. But also, Dexit has extremely reasonable points and frankly people underestimate the work into making a 1000 creatures compatible and looking good in a new game. The new Pokemon models and animations are the best looking part of SV, and frankly, I think SWSH battles looked pretty good. Not mindblowing because it's a turn based RPG, could have used better UI work like Legends, which takes notes from Persona 5. But the models, texturing, lighting gave a much better anime look to the battles in that game than Gen 6 or 7 IMO."

Ransei: I believe dexit would have to happen inevitably but right now the community has profited 0% from it, especially for the Nintendo Switch console. They could have had the National Dex in Gens 8 and 9, especially with how simplistic the effort they put into each game was in compared to games like Breath of the Wild / Tears of the Kingdom and Xenoblade Chronicles. The games don't even take up remotely as much space. They really just wanted to rush this out as fast as they could and tried to create nearly the minimal amount of what would make people think it could have been worth the money.

Legends Arceus was a step in the right direction but it was unfortunately one blown to the dust one month after release, for the next major game, and yet the major games of the Switch were all less developed in their animations, worldbuilding, and even overall concept than this game, which was designed as testing grounds for them.
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It's a coin flip whether a move animation's remain detailed or not. Blastoise finally uses its cannons in a mainline game after only using them in the Stadium games, but Volcannion's Steam Eruption no longer shoots from both its cannons. The Hisuian starters keep their special move animations, but most of the other non-Paldean starters lose theirs (Greninja and Rillaboom seem exempt).
 
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I don't agree with literally anything you said here. Especially at the end.

I'll go step by step, and this will be my last post on this topic.

For one, the idle animations and general animations of the Pokemon matter fucking 10x more than oh, the signature moves! The idles, general attack animations, and similar matter more than actual move animations because it will be actually on screen way more.

No, the extra animations are new. Especially the battle ones. Legends Arceus did not have all of these animations, neither did Gen 7. You are probably thinking about the walking/running animations, which did exist and were made in preparation for following Pokemon to come back.

It does not matter if a gimmick ruins OU or whatever, why should they care. The point of Smogon since the very beginning is to clean up their mess for 6v6 Singles, otherwise known as a format they will never adopt competitively ever. Both mechanics are way better for their target audience; VGC. Which is what actually matters. The issues with VGC right now come down to individual Pokemon and mostly stat spreads, which is something they have fucked up since forever. Why are you acting like Game Freak making bad decisions for competitive is new in that way? Urshifu is one of the few examples you may have, but even then I'd bring up entire archetypes added to the fucking game in VGC which have existed for almost 20 years.

"Game Freak is not incentivized..." Okay?

I don't think you understand that effort put in is not = to what you get in game development. And this is something that is actually very obvious in how people react to games, especially with graphics. I can promise you, the effort put into graphics has not decreased, ever. What changed was what types of games they are making, HD with no tiling and more unique modeling, with free camera movement. Which, hey! LGPE is a top-down, tile-based turn-based RPG with no free camera movement, and it looked the best! Crazy.

BDSP had probably less than 2 years of dev time from what we know of it, but also it does have some good looking parts.
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Let's Go did not have more effort put into its graphics, it had a simpler game to make graphics for. Not just because "oh HD in 3D", but things like having to optimize for being able to move the camera all around, the point-of-view, the differences between having Pokemon battles start in the overworld (which is why the actual attack animations are worse in SV and Legends, you have to account for basically every type of terrain rather than set battle positions), and having you just go to a separate battle scene.

As the biggest fucking Espeon fan ever, I do agree that the Espeon is not entirely within my headcanon view of it. But also, it's a fucking cat and it is wayyyy more expressive. There are other Pokemon that are better examples, but Espeon is literally my favorite Pokemon and I am happy it got a new animation, so. And in the past, I've seen people say the old Espeon animation is not active enough, doesn't look like it's ready to battle, etc. etc.

On top of that, I also forgot to mention that SV does the most texture work in the series, with basically every Pokemon having it while before it was like play-doh.

I can promise you that Dexit has absolutely made an impact on the development. Like, literally I don't think you get how big a jump to HD and a bigger scope genre is. It is HUGE.

Real size for Pokemon isn't even objectively better? This is like, a romhack thing where people get obsessed with it, but when I showed people that Scarlet/Violet used pretty accurate scaling for Pokemon, they just were like: "Why the fuck are the Pokemon so small? I can barely see them." And bigger Pokemon can be problematic in the terrain, or just look weird. I don't see the obsession with it, scaling should be better but there is a middleground, and frankly Wailord being smaller is fine lmao.

I could see a world where SWSH has a National Dex because it is still largely developed more like Gen 7 if they did a slightly different artstyle, but Gen 9 absolutely no fucking way with the time frame.

Lastly, in my opinion, Legends Arceus is being overblown as a "big step". Scarlet/Violet is actually translating Pokemon into open world, while Legends Arceus is basically an extremely mediocre collectathon with very light action elements.

Also, as a large lorehead, the worldbuilding and characters and lore of Legends is super fucking dogshit LOL, and the mainstory of SV was wayyy

The last thing I want to stress once again is: the end result does not necessarily indicate on the surface how much effort was put into a game.

This is the most complicated medium ever conceived with the most factors and most effort to make even pretty simple things. The games could absolutely be better, but the developers are absolutely working their asses off. Just because a game does not look that good graphically, does not mean there was not care from the actual people making the game to make it look good.
 
I also notice that the flipside of 'mon designs continue to be creative' appears to be 'mons are not necessarily designed for a post-dexit reality.' Gen 8 has a lot of examples because several mons feel like much of their concept is tied to their GMax form. For example, Copperajah's only claim to fame is a Max Move-exclusive hazard, and while Duraludon-GMax has the joke of inverting kaiju destroying buildings, base Duraludon is kinda just the thing that can become Duraludon-GMax. Duraludon and Applin ended up needing post-hoc evolutions to feel complete without a mechanic that GF knew they were going to discard. At least, unlike legendaries, they can have evolutions stapled on. Ogerpon and [is it still spoiler season?] are destined to share the junkyard with Necrozma and Eternatus.
 
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