Unpopular opinions

[Pikachu315111]

I get that people would wanna use their favorite legendary, but to have a child capture and use a legendary pokémon just seems to... make-believe. I don't know if I'm alone here but I've never actually caught any legendary Pokémon, instead usually opting to run away from it. I've never even caught Suicune which is my favourite pokémon.

I find that I agree with this idea more, as most legendaries serve some sort of importance to the region they're from. For example, its hard to understand why the Lake Guardians are in Galar, when they should be guarding their respective lakes.

Well some ideas I had sort of explain this away:

• Dream Recreations: The Legendary aren't actually there but what you have is an "avatar" of the Legendary pulled from the Dream World; it doesn't actually exist in-canon. You get them by entering the dream of said Legendaries, asking & answering the question "what does a Legendary Pokemon dream of?".
• Synthetic Replica: Instead of catching the Legendary, you help a group of scientists study the Legendary and they create a replica of the Legendary. It acts like the Legendary and as powerful as a Legendary is in battle, but it's not actually alive and doesn't have a Legendary's godly powers.
• Illusion Form: Instead of catching the Legendary, you can choose one of your Pokemon to create an illusion around themselves which essentially transforms them into the Legendary.
• Realistic Hologram: The Legendary is a hologram but the Poke Ball it's kept in has been modified so that it makes it solid & capable of interacting with the world (thus compete in battles).
• Summons: We can go the Final Fantasy route and, instead of catching the Legendary, you just are able to summon them in that moment in time.

 

[Aether]

• Dream Recreations: The Legendary aren't actually there but what you have is an "avatar" of the Legendary pulled from the Dream World; it doesn't actually exist in-canon. You get them by entering the dream of said Legendaries, asking & answering the question "what does a Legendary Pokemon dream of?".
• Synthetic Replica: Instead of catching the Legendary, you help a group of scientists study the Legendary and they create a replica of the Legendary. It acts like the Legendary and as powerful as a Legendary is in battle, but it's not actually alive and doesn't have a Legendary's godly powers.
• Illusion Form: Instead of catching the Legendary, you can choose one of your Pokemon to create an illusion around themselves which essentially transforms them into the Legendary.
• Realistic Hologram: The Legendary is a hologram but the Poke Ball it's kept in has been modified so that it makes it solid & capable of interacting with the world (thus compete in battles).
• Summons: We can go the Final Fantasy route and, instead of catching the Legendary, you just are able to summon them in that moment in time.

I really like the Dream Recreation and Synthetic Replica ideas. That way people could still use legendary pokémon in competitive without wondering who in the world is guarding the lakes.

 

[Siggu]

I find that I agree with this idea more, as most legendaries serve some sort of importance to the region they're from. For example, its hard to understand why the Lake Guardians are in Galar, when they should be guarding their respective lakes.

It's the Legendary Vacation Resort.

 

[King Feraligatr]

My main custom Pokemon villains don't even really deal with Legendaries much, preferring to do things with normal Pokemon. Among their reasons for doing so, well, they want to rule the world. Hard to do that if the world is destroyed. More to it than this, but yeah. This is getting off topic.

I guess a point being, I don't really really focus on Legendaries in my works. Even more so with "non standard" Legnendaries (like box ones). I de-emphasized their usage in my Ultra Moon hack (by coming in at lower levels below the curve, nerfing their catch set, making their catch rate 3 like the others, making them rather hard to find, and/or etc.) and I think at times I might find them overused. As people have said, Gamefreak has just been cramming them into the final pair of games/final expansion for Generations. Gosh knows it gets awkward. And gosh knows it was a pain in the ass to dump even more Legendaries, Mythicals, and UBs into my hack...

 

[IceBeam23]

Ok i've just started to read this thread since page 1 (only on page 18) but i felt like giving my unpopular opinions :

-I am honestly sick of seeing the same video titles on youtube : "modern pokemon games are bad" "pokemon is disapointing" "pokemon is getting worse" etc.. We get it, you don't like the games despite you playing it them all the time. It has been a year... I got sick of it when i was watching Jaiden's pokemon rangers video, and she randomly went on a tangent saying gen 7 and 8 were garbage in the intro. I didn't come here for this. Of course, i understand that people might not like these games, but it's annoying when they try to shove it down your throat.

-I guess it's clear from my previous point, but SwSh were my favorite pokemon games along with USUM and HGSS. I admit i was in the "boycott" crowd after dexit, but i picked it up after several months and it was really fun for me ! I loved the wild area especially, and dexit... didn't actually bother me that much. I didn't start playing competitive again until isle of armor came out, so i guess that's why. What i do agree on though, as a singles player, is that dynamax is GARBAGE. At least for singles. It was the entire reason why i didn't get immediatly back in competitive.

-I hate when ROMhacks try to emulate competitive or make the game super hard. Nearly every hack like this i've played turned into a grindfest, for EVs or EXP. It was mostly just "grind until you get the stats to beat the next big battle" and not really "difficult and requires strategy to beat". Bonus points if it's on CFRU, you see all those pokemon available... and then the hack says "no you can't use this one, it's just not strong enough". It doesn't bother me when i play on showdown, since it's really easy to form a team (minus thinking about the playstyle you're gonna adopt with it etc), but when a hack gives me a new way to experience FireRed, i wish i could use the pokemons i want.

-I... really don't understand when people say Smogon is "a bunch of toxic elitists that just add fanmade rules to pokemon". I haven't seen an elitist on these forums so far, and i haven't encountered toxicity on showdown (although i know it exists). On the contrary, it seems you guys are pretty civil about these unpopular opinions, and it's really cool to see people share their POV without getting attacked for it.
In fact, i think this is one of the least toxic places in this community !

 

[Sonikku A]

This is reminding what not to do for my Emerald hack
Though it'll implement future game items and movepools, comp stuff is post game

As for the opinions, yeah this thread is nice ^_^

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

I hate when ROMhacks try to emulate competitive or make the game super hard. Nearly every hack like this i've played turned into a grindfest, for EVs or EXP.

This is a very common pitfall, especially for people just starting out.

Sadly, as I can personally attest, making sure the game is actually balanced, the player has fun options and that bosses aren't too strong compared to the players takes a LOT of time, and this might lead to development hell.

I personally believe that romhacks should strive to reach Platinum levels of difficulty, mainly by giving players fun and strong options while also giving the bosses strategic and strong options.

Edit:

Though it'll implement future game items and movepools, comp stuff is post game

There's no need to dissociate comp stuff from the main game. What you should focus on is making sure that major battles aren't overwhelming.

For example, if you give Roxanne an Aerodactyl, things might turn out bad, because players probably won't have enough options to beat that.

Also, one option is not enough, because this restricts team composition and that's very bad for a Pokémon game.

 

[King Feraligatr]

Hard mode hack lamentations.

Further hard mode hack lamentations.

Well, my hack is a hard mode hack. While I personally prefer those to the generally very lackluster base games, yeah.... And the more important question is if I avoided some of the problems of other hard mode hacks. To this I say, probably not as a whole? I wanted you to earn things more and sometimes me and Gira said "fuck the player" when making it. I made a support net to make grinding, getting EVs, getting better held items, etc. easier, but it still takes time.

 

[Sonikku A]

This is a very common pitfall, especially for people just starting out.

Sadly, as I can personally attest, making sure the game is actually balanced, the player has fun options and that bosses aren't too strong compared to the players takes a LOT of time, and this might lead to development hell.

I personally believe that romhacks should strive to reach Platinum levels of difficulty, mainly by giving players fun and strong options while also giving the bosses strategic and strong options.

Edit:


There's no need to dissociate comp stuff from the main game. What you should focus on is making sure that major battles aren't overwhelming.

For example, if you give Roxanne an Aerodactyl, things might turn out bad, because players probably won't have enough options to beat that.

Also, one option is not enough, because this restricts team composition and that's very bad for a Pokémon game.

The hacks only really a QoL update for Emerald, with the ability to catch all mons on one cart (including self trading). Additions for some Gen 4 cross evos and Gen 2 97 betamons are there as well, along with tweaking mon stats and movesets
Cuz boy does Onix need it
So it'll mostly feel like normal Emerald besides battle upgrades, changed trainer mons and >not finding a Tentacool/Cruel/Wingull every 5 seconds

 

[IceBeam23]

Well, my hack is a hard mode hack. While I personally prefer those to the generally very lackluster base games, yeah.... And the more important question is if I avoided some of the problems of other hard mode hacks. To this I say, probably not as a whole? I wanted you to earn things more and sometimes me and Gira said "fuck the player" when making it. I made a support net to make grinding, getting EVs, getting better held items, etc. easier, but it still takes time.

Oh i wasn't talking about your hack in particular, just some i experienced. I usually play GBA hacks, especially since CFRU started to get used.
I don't mind grinding for some battles, after all i said HGSS was one of my favorite pokemon games despite the ridiculous level curve, it's just when it takes like 50% or more of my playtime on the hack, it starts to get annoying. I'm playing through "The Last Fire Red" and the beginning was HELL, i was 9/10 HOURS IN before beating Misty. After that, it was smooth sailing though. Probably because i just activated the exp share.
A difficulty hack that manages to balance "not too much grinding" with "still a good challenge" sounds good to me.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

I got sick of it when i was watching Jaiden's pokemon rangers video, and she randomly went on a tangent saying gen 7 and 8 were garbage in the intro. I didn't come here for this. Of course, i understand that people might not like these games, but it's annoying when they try to shove it down your throat.

Tangent? Shoved down throats? Dude, it was like two sentences. And it wasn't even emphasized, just a side comment.

 

[IceBeam23]

Tangent? Shoved down throats? Dude, it was like two sentences. And it wasn't even emphasized, just a side comment.

She fully animated the part where she threw the games in the garbage can and then emphasized it by writing "better than USUM anyways" on the forum bit. There was another little bit of animation in between but i'm too lazy to check.
It doesn't have to be a full video to be the straw that break the camel's back, it was the 100th time i saw this exact same thing (Talking about another pokemon game, generally a spin-off, HEY BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW MODERN POKEMON GAMES ARE TRASH ????) and it pissed me off. Jaiden isn't my whole point here, it's the repetition.

When i talk about "shoving down people's throat" that wasn't aimed at her either, i guess you misinterpreted it. It's that, since a year, everytime i scroll in my recommended there's a video about how gamefreak is lazy and pokemon has gone downhill, and everytime i go in the comments of a gen 3/4/5 ost video, the top comments are almost everytime "Gen 8 is bad and you should feel bad for liking them" basically.

These people are annoying, and i'm sick of seeing them since SwSh came out. That was my point. Jaiden was the moment when i realised that they were almost everywhere i went that was related to pokemon. You can guess what comments i saw on that video, and what every poketuber stopped on when they did their reaction videos.

Also a quick edit for the tangent part : I guess that's my fault there, as english isn't my first language. What i meant by "tangent" was a side-point : just throwing her opinion real quick when that wasn't the point of the video (And i certainly wasn't expecting it). Sorry to be a dumbass with words here.

 

[Pikachu315111]

"Gen 8 is bad and you should feel bad for liking them"

While I do see most people not liking Gen 7 & 8 (not without reason), what I don't see is people telling other people to feel bad for liking it. Well, at least not the Poketubers, the comment section is another story but everyone knows that that's a minefield. I feel it's alright and in the right of a person to say they don't like Gen 7, 8, or any other generation of Pokemon; though I will say that doesn't mean they're forcing that opinion on you and no one should. There's also a difference between someone saying "I don't like this gen and here are reasons why" and then listening reasonable critique and someone just making fun of it (especially for having tropes that are in all Pokemon games).

 

[Bakugames]

what I don't see is people telling other people to feel bad for liking it.

one of my friends does it, and it makes any convo about gen 8 like walking on eggshells. I just avoid talking about the entire gen because of it lol

 

[IceBeam23]

While I do see most people not liking Gen 7 & 8 (not without reason), what I don't see is people telling other people to feel bad for liking it. Well, at least not the Poketubers, the comment section is another story but everyone knows that that's a minefield. I feel it's alright and in the right of a person to say they don't like Gen 7, 8, or any other generation of Pokemon; though I will say that doesn't mean they're forcing that opinion on you and no one should. There's also a difference between someone saying "I don't like this gen and here are reasons why" and then listening reasonable critique and someone just making fun of it (especially for having tropes that are in all Pokemon games).

I frequently used Reddit and YouTube since the whole dexit situation. Had to unsub from the main sub because it was littered with stuff like i said.
I do agree that has calmed down since the fiasco (nothing like the death threats and the harassment on twitter for example) but it certainly didn't disappear, and like i said, i still see it at times, just enough to annoy me.

Of course, i don't mind people who dislike them for good reasons, i find myself agreeing on some points even ! After all, i think liking gen 8 like i do is a pretty unpopular opinion, and i'm happy to hear criticism of it. I'm not gonna complain about people attacking you for your opinion, and then do the exact same thing haha.

And i guess i was in the most toxic places then, because people "making fun of the games for no good reason" WERE everywhere from my point of view. Even people who didn't play a single pokemon game would just come and say the exact same thing, it was always repeated dozens of time. And i got called names, i can guarantee you that !

 

[Pikachu315111]

one of my friends does it, and it makes any convo about gen 8 like walking on eggshells. I just avoid talking about the entire gen because of it lol

And i got called names, i can guarantee you that

Sorry to hear that happened, that's definitely unacceptable.

 

[Bakugames]

at least its mostly extreme examples. the fanbase was awful but I think the hell situation of the world calmed them lol

for a very... specific unpopular opinion: I love checking pokemon redesigns, since i do them myself, but I have a major pet peeve (that doesnt really matter but): pls stop turning incineroar into a boring tiger. if you want a quadrupedal incin so bad you can still give him personality >:|

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

I frequently used Reddit and YouTube since the whole dexit situation. Had to unsub from the main sub because it was littered with stuff like i said.
I do agree that has calmed down since the fiasco (nothing like the death threats and the harassment on twitter for example) but it certainly didn't disappear, and like i said, i still see it at times, just enough to annoy me.

Of course, i don't mind people who dislike them for good reasons, i find myself agreeing on some points even ! After all, i think liking gen 8 like i do is a pretty unpopular opinion, and i'm happy to hear criticism of it. I'm not gonna complain about people attacking you for your opinion, and then do the exact same thing haha.

And i guess i was in the most toxic places then, because people "making fun of the games for no good reason" WERE everywhere from my point of view. Even people who didn't play a single pokemon game would just come and say the exact same thing, it was always repeated dozens of time. And i got called names, i can guarantee you that !

Yeah, that's rough.

Frankly, there's plenty of stuff to like about SwSh and even USUM introduced stuff that can be praised.

People kinda go overboard, it's one thing to criticize the games, it just makes no sense to attack people for liking different things.

Even if you're wrong for not recognizing Pokémon Platinum as the undisputed GOAT.

 

[IceBeam23]

To get back on topic, i actually really like shinies that are barely noticable : Garchomp, Regice, Regidrago, Gengar (Fun fact : It's G-max has the same colors that it's shiny mega had !). I think even that little subtle change of coloration makes them better looking.

Though i like hunting for shinies, i HATE the masuda method, and i haven't tried breeding competitively (also because of dynamax making cartridge meh in singles) for that reason. Shiny hunting doesn't take a lot of concentration, and it's usually way better when you have a video on the side, but breeding for shinies is so tedious to me.... Put the 2 pokemons, bike around, go to the NPC, mash A, bike around, repeat 4 times, then continue biking around, watch the same 12 seconds animation 5 times, rinse and repeat until you have you have the shiny. I swear after 50 eggs i just beg to arceus for it to be over quickly.

Sorry to hear that happened, that's definitely unacceptable.

It's alright, it's all behind now like Lemingue said.

Even if you're wrong for not recognizing Pokémon Platinum as the undisputed GOAT.

I still have a special place in my heart for Platinum, as it was my first ever video game, when i was 6 years old. During a replay about 8 years later, i got emotional when the intro music played. I still prefer HGSS after that replay, but it will always be "the thing that got me into loving video games".

 

[Bakugames]

pls stop turning incineroar into a boring tiger.

Actually this is an important topic so i used my artistic abilities to illustrate. behold, the two fandom incineroar designs

 

[Sonikku A]

Facts
Though personally I find Incineroar's actual design far too kiddy, and too stuck on a single personality. Like others said, I prefer the personality a sub thought than forced on. It makes the mon more adaptable in personality for other media as shown with Oshawott in the anime. Sugimori intended it to be serious, but look what happened
Or that Tyranitar in the Celebi movie, who was shy

 

[Pikachu315111]

Even if you're wrong for not recognizing Pokémon Black & White as the undisputed GOAT.

Fix'd.

Actually this is an important topic so i used my artistic abilities to illustrate. behold, the two fandom incineroar designs

Well I'm not much of an artist but let me try:

I even gave it a gender difference

 

[Bakugames]

Though personally I find Incineroar's actual design far too kiddy, and too stuck on a single personality. Like others said, I prefer the personality a sub thought than forced on. It makes the mon more adaptable in personality for other media as shown with Oshawott in the anime. Sugimori intended it to be serious, but look what happened

I don't think its too much of a problem. I see it more as dog breeds. How some dogs are classified as bratty/grumpy/energetic, but individuals themselves don't follow the mold.

hell, natures were done for this purpose first. Not all incineroar have the same personality, because you can get bashful, calm, sassy etc of any pokemon. Sure, it would help more if natures showed a different personality for each pokemon, but i think that is too much to ask for, gamefreak or not tbh

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Fix'd.


Well I'm not much of an artist but let me try:

I even gave it a gender difference

Might as well add my 2 unpopular opinions for the day.

First, I actually don't mind that Incineroar has some personality. With so many mons that doesn't and are a step away from T-Posing on their idle animations, it's nice to have some contrast. And I don't even like Inci's idle animation.

Second, and it's kinda shocking how much I don't see people say this, but BW and Gen 5 as a whole was UGLY.

Stretching sprites should be a crime punishable by being forced to solo games with Luvdisc.

The overworld just turned people into blurry messes every 2 routes, the moving battle sprites were an abomination and an example of how to NOT do looping animations, and overall, that game made my eyes bleed from day 1 and it only got worse with time.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

Second, and it's kinda shocking how much I don't see people say this, but BW and Gen 5 as a whole was UGLY.

Stretching sprites should be a crime punishable by being forced to solo games with Luvdisc.

The overworld just turned people into blurry messes every 2 routes, the moving battle sprites were an abomination and an example of how to NOT do looping animations, and overall, that game made my eyes bleed from day 1 and it only got worse with time.

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