Trick Room With Aggron AND Rhyperior?

chickenfroglegs

This is my Trick Room team. All current changes are made in red.

Banette (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Insomnia
EVs: 255 Attack, 255 Special Attack
Brave (+Atk, -Spd)
-Trick Room
-Destiny Bond
-Taunt
-Shadow Claw
As I was looking through some good TR leads, Banette caught my eye. Although frail, with a Focus Sash any Pokemon can set up Trick Room. After I get up TR (if my opponent attacked) then I just Destiny Bond to get a good KO and a safe switch to my TR Sweeper. The rest is basically just filler. :B The EVs are put into Attack just in case I need to use Shadow Claw and I put it into Special Attack because I always have to be OCD about having 510 EVs before finishing training.

Rhyperior (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Defense, 4 Health
Brave (+Atk, -Spd)
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Megahorn
-Outrage
And here is my physical sweeper. This thing is a monster. With a 416 Attack and stab EdgeQuake, not much is left standing that isn't holding a Focus Sash. I kinda wished I maxed out my Health instead of Defense, but oh well?

Aggron (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 255 Health, 255 Attack
Brave (+Atk, -Spd)
-Brick Break
-Head Smash
-Heavy Slam
-Double-Edge
I replaced my Magnezone with this guy. Honestly, I like Aggron so much more. He gives me more power to sweep with, covers my Dark weakness quite nicely, and he's a LOT slower than Magnezone. My only problem is the move choices. Lack of a Move Tutor in White made me have to replace Aqua Tail and Superpower with Double-Edge and Brick Break respectively. Meh. :c

Porygon2 (M) @ Evolution Stone
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 Health, 140 Sp.Atk, 118 Defense
Quiet. (+Sp. Atk, -Spd)
-Trick Room
-Recover
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
I wanted a bulky TR setter that could resist my Ghost weakness, so here I am with Porygon2. He's bulky, and with the Evolution Stone, he's even better. Slow, sturdy, and doesn't do too bad with the BoltBeam either.

Jellicent (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Health, 252 Sp.Def, 4 Sp.Atk
Sassy (+Sp.Def, -Spd)
-Trick Room
-Will-O-Wisp
-Recover
-Scald
With the need of a special wall in mind, I also needed something to cover for Rhyperior's atrocious water weakness. With that, I introduce you to Jellicent. Switch into a water attack, set up TR on the switch (if needed) or I can burn with WOW. He pulls a lot of weight and has become one of my favorite Pokemon.

Musharna (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Forewarn
EVs: 252 Health, 252 Def, 4 Sp.Atk
Relaxed (+Def, -Spd)
-Trick Room
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Yawn
And last, but not least, my physical wall. It's bulky enough to get the job done. Hits decently well with the Psychic, can force switch with Yawn, and then set up TR on the switch. I put on Reflect to try and make Rhyperior's and Aggron's sweep go a little smoother, but I'm not sure if I should put Light Screen instead? I'm unsure.


Well, there is my team. Please rate? Change? Suggestions? It'd be MUCH appreciated. Thanks. <3
 
Switch Musharna ability from Forewarn to Synchronize. You'll gain more from being able to repel status effects, which is going to cripple Musharna. I also highly recommend Psyshock over Psychic so you don't get walled by Blissey.

For Jellicent, I really recommend swapping Shadow Ball out for Recover, and maybe Scald over Surf to have a chance at burning switch-ins. Jellicent is your wall, but it'll fall quick without recovery.

Your porygon2 special defenses lacks alot, and most of the time where porygon2 comes into counter, he usually don't need a Sp.Atk boost OHKO common threats like Salamence, Gyrados, Dragonite, etc. So I recommend changing the EV to where you have 252 HP, 184 DEF, 72 SpD.

Also try switching some of your pokemons gender to F instead, due to rivalry Haxorus.
 
You really need to have some reserve pokes in case TR doesn't work out. With that in mind, replace Musharna with TR reuniclus. Reuni is a better TR setter and can take advantage of it.
use
Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Magic Guard
Quiet
252 Sp. Atk, 200 HP, 56 def
-TR
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
On rhyperior, use Swords Dance over Outrage. Also, consider Substitute over Megahorn. You might want to swap Jellicent for something like a Gengar that can function without TR
 
Rhyperior and Aggron both need ice moves to take care of gliscor. Replace Outrage/Double edge, respectively. Outrage is bad on anything that it doesnt get stab on, and double edge just doesnt get enough super effective hits.
 
Not bad at all, I like the idea of Musharna in there. Although I can't agree Yawn would be my move of choice, but not bad. I must ask though, do you feel like Breloom and Conkledurr give you a tough time? I've been having that problem here and there myself with my Trick Room team so I was just wondering your take on it.
 
I personally like the addition of Yawn, it can force out stallers and late game sweepers (Provided that Musharna has enough bulk to take a considerable amount of damage and execute the use of yawn, but with the EVs that are invested in HP and Def, it should be able to). Because of that it might be worth having a Wish healer somewhere on there, just to cover your odds. If used well Wish + Musharna could be an extremely annoying combination.
 
I don't think he needs to replace Musharna with Reuniclus, especially when he's utilizing Musharna differently in respect to Reuniclus. I like the idea of Yawn to do force switches.
 
Harlequin said:
I don't think he needs to replace Musharna with Reuniclus, especially when he's utilizing Musharna differently in respect to Reuniclus. I like the idea of Yawn to do force switches.
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once they decide to sleep something, yawn is absolutely useless
 
AkaiKage said:
Not bad at all, I like the idea of Musharna in there. Although I can't agree Yawn would be my move of choice, but not bad. I must ask though, do you feel like Breloom and Conkledurr give you a tough time? I've been having that problem here and there myself with my Trick Room team so I was just wondering your take on it.
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Breloom has always been a pet peeve of mine. In fact, I dislike how my only response to it is my Musharna. However, I've found that Musharna actually counters Breloom pretty well. It kinda just nudges off those Focus Punches. Haha. As for Conkledurr, I've met the great fortune of not running into one yet. However, when I do, I don't know how I will access the situation. Most likely use Musharna as an answer. Haha. Good luck with your Trick Room team, though! :D
 
Boondocker said:
Rhyperior and Aggron both need ice moves to take care of gliscor. Replace Outrage/Double edge, respectively. Outrage is bad on anything that it doesnt get stab on, and double edge just doesnt get enough super effective hits.
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I like your idea and I very much appreciate your opinion. c: Although, I will have to disagree with your thoughts on Outrage. I've caught a lot of Pokes off guard with my surprise Outrage, such as Garchomp. (for some reason, people really love to use Garchomp against me. I almost HAD to have Outrage on something.) However, I understand where you're coming from. Do you think I should get rid of Outrage to put Swords Dance? I like the idea of this, but that leaves me less moves to sweep.

And, finally, I would have loved for Rhyperior to have an Ice move (I'd prefer to have Rhyperior have the Ice move over Aggron because of Aggron's typing) but I can't find an Ice move to put on Rhyperior outside of Ice Fang. I made this Rhyperior in Gen V and I sold all of my Gen IV games so I can't even get Ice Punch. :c And Ice Fang's BP is so low I'd almost have to run Swords Dance.

I think we can all agree Pokemon Gray needs a move tutor. ._.
 
Okay Im a Trick Room User and I see A HUGE PROBLEM.
You are 3 times weak to Water, and 3 times weak to Ghost and Dark, and 6 times weak to Fighting types.
I see you have Jelicent for the Water problem, but I would reconmend u switching Aggron with Metagross, he covers the dark weakness and cut the 6 times weak to fighting type moves and only has two weakness Ground and Fire.
The other problem is you have Too many trick room user (A total four) and not enough fighting power sweepers. You have two Physical attacker but no true Special Sweeper. A well rounded Trick Room team has a a wall either Physical or special, Two or three Trick Roomers and/or 3 sweepers.
I would Reconmend switching Bannete with Bronzong with levitate which takes away the dark and ghost weakness. and switch Porgyon2 from relaxed to Quiet nature for a special sweeper.
Aggron and rhyperior dont cover a lot of the types, they both only cover 9/17 types super effectitivly, That wont get u anywhere, u need a pokemon that hits 10/17 types like Emboar.
Emboar
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Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
Earthquake
Hammer Arm

Hopefully, I have help u and have introduced u on some thoughts on changes
 
Fishkiller nomore said:
um not that im mini modding but aint post two threads wrong?
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Yes, you're correct. Hahaha. You see, I'm new to Smogon, sadly. Well, I'm new to the Forums, anyways. I usually just go on here to look at the move sets and recommendations and the guides. The only times I ever post threads is when I have a team in mind and want some opinions. However, because I am so noob, I didn't think about just editing my old thread. I apologise? haha. I honestly wouldn't give a damn if someone deleted it. Here's a link to it if you know of a mod that'd like to delete it. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3448491
 
Slowking12 said:
Okay Im a Trick Room User and I see A HUGE PROBLEM.
You are 3 times weak to Water, and 3 times weak to Ghost and Dark, and 6 times weak to Fighting types.
I see you have Jelicent for the Water problem, but I would reconmend u switching Aggron with Metagross, he covers the dark weakness and cut the 6 times weak to fighting type moves and only has two weakness Ground and Fire.
The other problem is you have Too many trick room user (A total four) and not enough fighting power sweepers. You have two Physical attacker but no true Special Sweeper. A well rounded Trick Room team has a a wall either Physical or special, Two or three Trick Roomers and/or 3 sweepers.
I would Reconmend switching Bannete with Bronzong with levitate which takes away the dark and ghost weakness. and switch Porgyon2 from relaxed to Quiet nature for a special sweeper.
Aggron and rhyperior dont cover a lot of the types, they both only cover 9/17 types super effectitivly, That wont get u anywhere, u need a pokemon that hits 10/17 types like Emboar.
Emboar
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Flare Blitz
Wild Charge
Earthquake
Hammer Arm

Hopefully, I have help u and have introduced u on some thoughts on changes
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I very much like your idea on switching out Aggron for Metagross. However, I only have one problem with this: I don't battle very much online. It's usually with my friends. However, when I do battle (online or with Infrared) we usually are very specific about our Tiers. I, personally, use rules like all UU and you're allowed one OU. That's generally how I play... and with the addition of Meta, I'd have two OU. I don't mean to be nit picky, but it's just the way I play. Otherwise, I'd be breeding Beldums now. Hahaha.

I can't say I agree with you with the Bronzong, thing. Sure, I'd resist more, but Banette adds momentum to my team. With him, I have the potential to take out the opponents lead. Maybe if Gen V didn't nerf Explosion, I'd be a little more keen on Bronzong.

I agree, Porygon2 should be Quiet. Changing that now.

You are correct, Aggron and Rhyperior don't cover a lot of types, but they're strong, slow, and they can take a beating (bar specially). Emboar, however, is more of a glass cannon, from what I've seen. It's got shoddy defenses, and most of it's movepool is powerfull... but suicidal. The way I see it, Emboar will most likely sweep one time per match, and then it's over for him. Perhaps I'm wrong, but its just my opinion.

Overall, you HAVE, indeed, changed my views on this Trick Room team. You kinda made me want to bend the rules with my friends a little bit. Especially with that Meta recommendation. Many thanks!
 
Try changing Aggrons moveset to Head Smash, Earthquake, Ice Punch and Aqua Tail and change Outrage on Rhyperior to Aqua Tail or Ice Punch. Looks like a neat trick room team!
 
No problem man. And yes Emboar is a glass cannon but your sweepers Rhyperior and Aggron don't have a fire type move. That puts more KO in your pocket, just a suggestion.
 
chickenfroglegs said:
Breloom has always been a pet peeve of mine. In fact, I dislike how my only response to it is my Musharna. However, I've found that Musharna actually counters Breloom pretty well. It kinda just nudges off those Focus Punches. Haha. As for Conkledurr, I've met the great fortune of not running into one yet. However, when I do, I don't know how I will access the situation. Most likely use Musharna as an answer. Haha. Good luck with your Trick Room team, though! :D
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I know you seem quite attachted to your Musharna butReuinclus can take on breloom and conkeldurr. I would go with TR reuniclus although if you can only have 1 OU then you cant. Most conkeldurrs would switch out allowing you to set up TR or even sport a hybrid set of calm mind and TR. BUt overall not a bad team. BTW Emboar????
 
Shiki1335 said:
-255 sp.attack ( u dont have a special attack.)
+255 hp
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I want my Banette to be as frail as possible to ensure that he'll only have 1 HP left. This will encourage someone to try and get the KO on my Banette. That's where Destiny Bond comes in. If I put it in HP, then that makes Banette more bulky and that'd go against my suicide strategy.
 
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