The Good, The Bad, and The Witchy: It's Mismagius!!

Temperantia

Temperantia

So I looked around on the UU forums, and for some reason, it seems there isn't a thread for my 2nd Favorite UU Sweeper (after Honchkrow.) So let's take a look at this pure Ghost-type.

Mismagius
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Stats: 60-60-60-105-105-105
Ability: Levitate

Mismagius, as far as I know, really hasn't changed much since Gen IV. What has changed is the threat list in both OU and UU. Such common Pokemon as Chansey, Espeon and Dusclops allow Mismagius to set up Nasty Plots like never before, and OU really isn't much worse. (Blisseylol)
So here's my current set which, I believe, is almost identical to the Gen IV Standard.

Nasty B---- Sweeper:

Mismagius-Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 100 Hp/156 SpA/252 Spe
Moves:
-Nasty Plot
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power (Fighting)

This set is straightfoward for a sweeper set. Sub while something that can't touch you (Chansey, Hitmontop, Dusclops) switches out. NP and kill. Mismagius' rather good Speed tier puts it ahead a lot of would-be revengers, and it's SpD allows it to sponge some Special Walls' attempts at finishing your sweep.

Partners for this set can really be anything that sets up Hazards, Mismagius loves hazards, and any Pokemon willing to take Dark and Ghost attacks if need be.
Mismagius also doesn't mind being BP'ed a Quiver Dance or two. Venomoth with QD and BP is a great way to enhance Mismagius' abilites and allow her (or him lol) to further set-up.

In conclusion, Mismagius is criminally underused imo and is quite often unstoppable after setting up.

So... let's discuss this Ghostly Gal! Sets, Counters, general thoughts, whatever you feel needs to be expressed. :3
 
SubSplit is a good set for Mismagius. It can also run Choiced (either Scarfed or Specsed) sets, 1 because of its good base speed (105 is awesome), and good coverage. I personally like this one :

Mismagius @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Ability : Levitate
Nature : Timid
EV : 4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fight
-Thunderbolt
-Trick

Mismagius can also run a Perish Trap set, a Specially Defensive set, well, its a pretty versatile pokémon. It messes with the UU walls pretty well.
 
It is extremely dangerous due to it's movepool (Destiny Bond, in particular, is a pretty underrated threat especially in the hands of a Choice Scarf Pokemon), boosting moves that allow it to turn into a powerhouse (Nasty Plot) or a conservative booster (CM).

By far the most valuable thing for Mismagius is it sets up on the best special wall in the tier: Chansey. Not many special attackers can come out of a fight against Chansey on the winning end, but Mismagius can. For teams that rely on Chansey to deal with all special threats, Mismagius rips them apart.
 
Exactly. Standard Max Def/Hp Chansey's takes about 49% after NP has been set up 3 times, and can do nothing at all to it. At that point MM's just waiting for a crit.
 
Any reason for the 100 HP EVs? My guess is that it allows its Substitutes to survive certain attacks, but which ones?

Also, being immune to Mach Punch, Fake Out, and Extremespeed makes pinch berries a decent option.
 
Temperantia said:
Exactly. Standard Max Def/Hp Chansey's takes about 49% after NP has been set up 3 times, and can do nothing at all to it. At that point MM's just waiting for a crit.
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Um, what? If I did these calcs right (Eviolite being a 1.5 boost to both defenses), then with 252 HP/252 Def (Bold), at +6 Mismagius is only doing 29% - 34.1% with Hidden Power [Fighting]. So, even with a critical, you're not doing anywhere near 49%.
 
Forte.EXE said:
Um, what? If I did these calcs right (Eviolite being a 1.5 boost to both defenses), then with 252 HP/252 Def (Bold), at +6 Mismagius is only doing 29% - 34.1% with Hidden Power [Fighting]. So, even with a critical, you're not doing anywhere near 49%.
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Apparently PO calculates differently than you because in every instance I've used Mismagius (which is to say, on every team I've used in UU) it's done ~50% to Chansey. ;x
 
Forte.EXE said:
Um, what? If I did these calcs right (Eviolite being a 1.5 boost to both defenses), then with 252 HP/252 Def (Bold), at +6 Mismagius is only doing 29% - 34.1% with Hidden Power [Fighting]. So, even with a critical, you're not doing anywhere near 49%.
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vraikou said:
Apparently PO calculates differently than you because in every instance I've used Mismagius (which is to say, on every team I've used in UU) it's done ~50% to Chansey. ;x
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The set Temperantia was talking about was Max/Max Defense, not Max/Max Special Defense. With Defense, damage is 47.7%-56.3%. Both of you are right ^^
 
So apparently..
Chansey is considered a Stage 1 Pkmn 'cause Happiny is a Baby Poke or somethin?
Well, Mismagius IS really the bomb, in both her design and capable movesets.
Not really used to 5th gen, so I guess I'll post a custom lead set I made for 4th gen.

Mismagius(F) **WitchDoctr
Timid (+Spd -Atk) @Choice Scarf
128 SpA / 128 SpDef / 252 Spd or MAX SpA/ Max Spd
-Will-O-Wisp/Taunt
-Trick
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt/HP Fighting

The EVs do look wacky, but it really worked out for me ninety percent of the time.
Common leads of 4th gen UU were all pretty much doomed to this beauty.

Ambipom- WoW usually, Payback won't do that much anymore so I can go to my phys wall
If it has Pursuit, I've tested and it doesn't kill me even if I switch out. (64% or so when switching out after a WoW, so although risky, it CAN switch out without getting killed. I just hope my damage calcs are correct :/ )
Donphan- Trick+WoW shuts it down. Assurance won't be able to kill me after my WoW
Scarf Rotom- Shadow Ball as it does KO standard Rotoms
Absol(?)- WoW to cripple it. Trick/HP Fighting if needed.
Qwilfish/Cloyster- T-bolt on Qwil, Cloy, and Taunt/Trick on Cloy
Uxie, Mespirit- The Tricksters will be forced to switch out, not to mention that I get a chance to trick my own if they don't. Taunt shuts down most Uxie and I can Shadow Ball 'em down till death.
Anything else- A situational thing, stay in and cripple, or switch and use Mismag as a nice revenge killer later on. (Plus I'm good at those Sucker Punch vs WoW mindgames)

Although it may have not used Mismag's power to it's full extent, it surprises my opponent and works out nicely for me. Haven't tested this in 5th gen though, so any suggestions for this lead set?
 
So apparently..
Chansey is considered a Stage 1 Pkmn 'cause Happiny is a Baby Poke or somethin?
Well, Mismagius IS really the bomb, in both her design and capable movesets.
Not really used to 5th gen, so I guess I'll post a custom lead set I made for 4th gen.

Mismagius(F) **WitchDoctr
Timid (+Spd -Atk) @Choice Scarf
128 SpA / 128 SpDef / 252 Spd or MAX SpA/ Max Spd
-Will-O-Wisp/Taunt
-Trick
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt/HP Fighting

The EVs do look wacky, but it really worked out for me ninety percent of the time.
Common leads of 4th gen UU were all pretty much doomed to this beauty.

Ambipom- WoW usually, Payback won't do that much anymore so I can go to my phys wall
If it has Pursuit, I've tested and it doesn't kill me even if I switch out. (64% or so when switching out after a WoW, so although risky, it CAN switch out without getting killed. I just hope my damage calcs are correct :/ )
Donphan- Trick+WoW shuts it down. Assurance won't be able to kill me after my WoW
Scarf Rotom- Shadow Ball as it does KO standard Rotoms
Absol(?)- WoW to cripple it. Trick/HP Fighting if needed.
Qwilfish/Cloyster- T-bolt on Qwil, Cloy, and Taunt/Trick on Cloy
Uxie, Mespirit- The Tricksters will be forced to switch out, not to mention that I get a chance to trick my own Scarf if they don't have one. Taunt shuts down most Uxie and I can Shadow Ball 'em down till death.
Anything else- A situational thing, stay in and cripple, or switch and use Mismag as a nice revenge killer later on. (Plus I'm good at those Sucker Punch vs WoW mindgames)

Although it may have not used Mismag's power to it's full extent, it surprises my opponent and works out nicely for me. Haven't tested this in 5th gen though, so any suggestions for this lead set?
 
I'm not much of a Mismagius user myself, though if I were to have one, I'd probably use it as an alternate sweeper/death badder if needed so my set would be something like this:
Mismagius(F)
Timid Nature Max Speed/ Max Sp.Attack
-Shadow Ball
-Sneak Attack (priority)
-Dark Pulse/HP Dark
-Focus Blast
Yeah, its not the best, but it works in my head, so there's a 75% chance it actually does.
 
Hydrocannon2727 said:
I'm not much of a Mismagius user myself, though if I were to have one, I'd probably use it as an alternate sweeper/death badder if needed so my set would be something like this:
Mismagius(F)
Timid Nature Max Speed/ Max Sp.Attack
-Shadow Ball
-Sneak Attack (priority)
-Dark Pulse/HP Dark
-Focus Blast
Yeah, its not the best, but it works in my head, so there's a 75% chance it actually does.
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What is Sneak Attack? If assuming you mean Shadow Sneak, don't run it. It runs off Mismagius' terrible 60 Attack and you are reducing its power through timid.

Why are you slashing Dark Pulse and HP Dark together? That makes no sense at all: Dark Pulse is stronger, both have the same accuracy and PP, and DP can flinch.
 
Hydrocannon2727 said:
I'm not much of a Mismagius user myself, though if I were to have one, I'd probably use it as an alternate sweeper/death badder if needed so my set would be something like this:
Mismagius(F)
Timid Nature Max Speed/ Max Sp.Attack
-Shadow Ball
-Sneak Attack (priority)
-Dark Pulse/HP Dark
-Focus Blast
Yeah, its not the best, but it works in my head, so there's a 75% chance it actually does.
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Yeah like the pretty-colored Snorunt said, Dark Pulse over HP Dark
Also, the moveset show little coverage, and I'm not really sure if Mismag can learn Focus Blast..
If it does please correct me, but otherwise I'd advise to change it into a set with better synergy

BTW can anyone please rate my lead Mismag set?
Perhaps you rainbow-colored Snorunt? You have a pretty parka...
 
Hydrocannon2727 said:
I'm not much of a Mismagius user myself, though if I were to have one, I'd probably use it as an alternate sweeper/death badder if needed so my set would be something like this:
Mismagius(F)
Timid Nature Max Speed/ Max Sp.Attack
-Shadow Ball
-Sneak Attack (priority)
-Dark Pulse/HP Dark
-Focus Blast
Yeah, its not the best, but it works in my head, so there's a 75% chance it actually does.
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Mismagius can't learn Focus Blast.
She shouldn't be using Shadow Sneak.
The coverage is redundant with Dark Pulse AND Shadow Ball.
Without Shadow Sneak and Dark Pulse, and giving it HP Fighting instead of Focus Blast, it sounds like the start of a typical Mismagius set.
 
Oh My Biscuits said:
Mismagius can't learn Focus Blast.
She shouldn't be using Shadow Sneak.
The coverage is redundant with Dark Pulse AND Shadow Ball.
Without Shadow Sneak and Dark Pulse, and giving it HP Fighting instead of Focus Blast, it sounds like the start of a typical Mismagius set.
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Lol. Literally everything biscuits said.

Also, T-bolt is an acceptable option in many cases over HP Fighting to take out bulky Waters and OHKO Staraptor, just be prepared to get walled by Steels and Chansey.
 
Speech Aide Meheh said:
Yeah like the pretty-colored Snorunt said, Dark Pulse over HP Dark
Also, the moveset show little coverage, and I'm not really sure if Mismag can learn Focus Blast..
If it does please correct me, but otherwise I'd advise to change it into a set with better synergy

BTW can anyone please rate my lead Mismag set?
Perhaps you rainbow-colored Snorunt? You have a pretty parka...
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no. I don't use Mismagius, so I've really no clue how to run it.

however, that set just seems like your standard TrickScarf lead, so eh...
 
My lead mismagius is kinda like this
Missy@ focus sash
Max spe/ spatk
-magic coat
-shadow ball
-hp fighting
-memento

I also ran support missy once but I didnt have enough stuff to get tm thunder wave
-heal bell
-thunder wave
-shadow ball
-painsplit
 
idontusehackedpokes said:
My lead mismagius is kinda like this
Missy@ focus sash
Max spe/ spatk
-magic coat
-shadow ball
-hp fighting
-memento

I also ran support missy once but I didnt have enough stuff to get tm thunder wave
-heal bell
-thunder wave
-shadow ball
-painsplit
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Why not run magius over misdrevious?
 
Mismagius does have much better Speed, but if you're running a support set I suppose you could look into Misdreavus if it turns out it's significantly more bulky with Eviolite. You're still losing out on the Speed and Leftovers (or any other item), however. Shadow Ball will also be weaker by quite a bit.
 
Taunt can be slashed with Substitute, as it still has the ability to stop status as well as allowing Missy to use Life Orb, which greatly increases it's power after a Nasty Plot.

Nasty Plot + 3 Attacks, SubCM and SubSplit sets could also be viable in addition to the support sets that have been mentioned.
 
I had most success with Defensive Sub CM. After a Calm Mind or two, not much would be breaking your Sub while you calm mind the living shit out of your opponent.

To all that say that Chansey is a solid wall to Mismaggy, HP Fighting does around 45% (at +6) which is a hefty chunk. Plus Chansey can't touch Mismaggy in anyway while it is behind a sub so you can easily wait for a Crit.
 
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