The Action Replay debate.

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I'm just curious how many people have an opinion on using Action Replays. I know some people are STERNLY against it in all fashions, some use with exceptions, and then you have the other side of the spectrum that includes people who hack and lie about it.

What I'm talking about though is using the AR for deeds such as quick breeding, using a wild pokemon modifier for quick EV training, etc etc.

What crosses the line in your view? What do people think is illegal or too cheap.

Personally I use the AR to save myself time. I'm a full-time IT Administrator, full time student, and have a fiance that appreciates most if she is the only full-time commitment I have. Time is a luxury I'm very low on, so quick EV training using the wild poke modifier has helped me a ton, as well as quick hatching and all TM's. I just don't do anything to my pokemon that I couldn't do without the AR (including this full IV crap that's getting popular).

EXAMPLE: In order to get my adamant Gallade, I modified the wild pokemon so that each wild pokemon that came up was a Gallade, then I caught each one with a Masterball until I got an adamant. It still took a while because I have horrible luck but would you strike my down with a "OMG U HAXER N00BZ!!!" or would you consider that legit for a battling arena?
 
Imo, AR isnt needed with online, you only need one great pokemon and you can clone and trade it for the rest, my hp ice riolu has definatlely gotten me about 10 or so competitive pokemon. The smogon breeding house is a good idea, one pokemon for approximately 20 or so others.

Theres no real excuse to use it and battle people online that have spent hours getting a good team, it just isnt cricket in my opinon.
 
I consider it "hacked" when the AR modifies the pokemon in anyway, such as Masterballs, Rare Candies, Encounter codes, or IVs/EVs are affected. I'm completely fine with it as long as people say they are hacked and are within normal ranges. I myself use pokesav and cloning codes.
 
i dont see the problem with using AR, alot of people simply don't have the time to spend hours breeding for half decent evs. As long as its used for reasonable evs i don't see the problem with it.
 
I hack for decent IVs, sometimes shiny, and Belly Drum/Extremespeed/Explosion/Shadow Claw Pure Power Regigigas (nickname 'Regiwin') as a trophy. Otherwise, no.
 
Breed EV's? Breed IV's. I think what you do is OK. Breeding has a better chance of better IV's, but your wild modifying thing, as long as it doesn't affect nature/IV's, is OK.
 
I have no problems with people using an AR to put together hacked, but legal, pokémon.

I complain about ridiculous things like a Roar of Time Darkrai, though (which I have seen on PBR.)
 
Could you not hack two perfect 31 IV pokemon, with good nature and egg moves, and then breed them together...to get perfect 31 IV legit pokemon? Would that be considered a hack?
 
I don't have an Action Replay (I may get one for cloning), but I'm ok with the use of it for things other than hacking pokemon with perfect IVs (actually I'm ok with that too as long as you aren't trading with or battling me...it's your game), but something that bothers me is when people use "not having time" as an excuse for hacking stuff. It is very unlikely that if you have time to actually play the game and post on online forums like this, that you don't have enough time to make Action Replay not be a necessity. Just say you don't want to spend the time, rather than you don't have time.

Also, having 31 IVs pokemon and perfect natures across the board aren't requirements for putting together a decent team and battling online. It may put you at a disadvantage, but having perfect IVs and natures does not guarentee a win in pokemon at all.
 
Valcarde said:
I have no problems with people using an AR to put together hacked, but legal, pokémon.

I complain about ridiculous things like a Roar of Time Darkrai, though (which I have seen on PBR.)
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Uhh.. I believe a Darkrai with Spacial Rend and Roar of Time was released in an event in Japan.

On-topic, I don't mind pokemon that are hacked within the limits of the game; it's no different than playing a simulator. Although I do enjoy breeding/soft-resetting because of the sense of achievment the comes with it.
 
majesty said:
Could you not hack two perfect 31 IV pokemon, with good nature and egg moves, and then breed them together...to get perfect 31 IV legit pokemon? Would that be considered a hack?
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That is considered hacking, yes.

Btw, though breeding would be much easier with perfect parents, you'd still have a really hard time getting a perfect IV baby.
 
Any use of a cheating device on a game is hacking. The only thing fine with me is activating the event for certain Pokemon. Seriously, Darkrai/Shaymin/Arceus are just sitting on their island/flowers/platform just waiting for you to catch them, so why wait another 3 years for Nintendo to distribute them for one day in New York City?

As for the people who "don't have time", why in the world are you playing a role-playing fantasy game where battles can take over 30 minutes?

Edit: Oh, and I don't mind AR cloning.
 
The only thing I'm borderline on is using the AR for cloning. I haven't even tried to clone using the GTS because I'm afraid of screwing my game up (I'm one of those people who saves twice). I don't own an AR, but I may have people clone my pokes using one.

Even if the pokemon you hack up are within normal boundaries, I don't think it's fair. I can breed a pokemon for days or weeks to get one with halfway decent stats. If you can make one in 5 mins, that cheapens all the work that I put into my team. I have a full time job and a boyfriend and I still find time to breed pokemon. I don't think 'I don't have enough time' is a valid excuse.

As far as using an AR for fun, like for research or to see how far you can push the game, is okay. I just wouldn't want to battle people I know have hacked their pokemon together, even if they're 'normally statted'.

I'm extremely interested in the mechanics of the game, but I have to keep myself from buying an AR because I know I'd start cheating, getting items, hacking up pokemon. Hell, I already own an M3DSS, but I haven't even downloaded the Pokemon ROM or PokeSav because I know that's a very slippery slope into lying about what I've created.

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I don't have any problem with anyone(including myself) using an AR to speed up the process of finding, breeding, training a decent pokemon, or getting all the TMs, or even getting event pokemon. I truly don't have a problem with people who hack pokemon with 31 Ivs, as it's within the legal bounds of the game. I myself tend to use it to speed up the hatching process of eggs since going around in circles for at least five minutes at a time can really bugs the heck out of me.

Edit: Forgot AR cloning, that's soo okay with me in my book.
 
I think it's fair as long as it's something that can be done within the normal limits of the game, and you tell people about it.

I'm fine with cloning with AR, since normal cloning is really hard often times, and with things like getting 999 Rare Candies, since you could easily get that through cloning if you wasted enough time. Even the fast egg-hatch code is kinda borderline for me, since it's still a legitimate egg.

However, I really hate it when people create hacked Pokemon using Pokesav or a similar thing, and pass them off as legitimate, and take other people's legitimate Pokemon for it.

As for using them in battle, even if you hack for IV's/EV's, as long as they could be accessible with lots of luck, I don't care.
 
I agree with NC. If you don't want to spend the extra time, fine, but don't try to justify yourself.

Personally, I feel that there is no excuse for AC, aside from cloning items and pokemon that you already have, and event legendaeies. A lot of people here spend weeks IV breeding pokemon, doing nothing else in the game. Remember that.

IV breeding ingame is the only thing that can really be complained about. With that said, If you're really that pressed for time, then just concentrate on getting two perfect IV's with the right nature, which DOES NOT take a lot of time at all. Hacking for this, or most other reasons, is sheer laziness of the highest order.
 
If you don't have time and own an AR, just put your cloning services available and get dozens of competitive pokémon that way. Quick, harmless, legit.

If you don't have time and don't own an AR, play shoddy/competitor (when it comes out).

If you don't have time, join the Smogon Breeding Program, ask around for a good Ditto and a good parent of the species you want, spend some time breeding, seize 25+ good IV'd pokémon in the process.

There is no excuse, really. If you don't have the time not even for those ^, then you should not be gaming. At least not pokémon.
 
Oh, and as for my personal views, I don't believe there's anything wrong with playing with hacked pokemon as long as they're using legit stats/movesets. People just don't have time, or just don't want to spend lots of time (hours, easily) for a chance (breeding is very highly based on luck) at one pokemon with good IV's. Not only that, but if someone wanted a really hard to obtain (Say, an XD Tangela with morning sun) pokemon with good IV's and nature, they'd have to not only spend hours trying to get a good one but buy another entire game.

This isn't the situation for me, really, but I understand that people may have time issues and can't spend hours every day breeding for good IV's, and to lock them out of competitive play just because they don't have tons of extra time to spend is just unfair.

Or even if they just don't want to spend extra time. Breeding is pretty boring work - just pressing up and down over and over, occasionally picking up an egg and checking it's IV's. This isn't a game about breeding - it's a game about battling.
 
Using an AR to obtain TMs and the like I really could care less about. I don't do it myself, but it doesn't have a major impact on a battle since people will just reset or trade for TMs to obtain them.

Using an AR to obtain pokemon is also a little bit of a gray area too. To obtain stuff you normally wouldn't be able too like Mew or Darkrai, I don't care since those are moved up to Ubers where I don't play.

But to use an AR to obtain perfect IVs and the exact Hidden Power (70 strength ofcourse) is total crap. That has a drastic effect on the outcome of a battle and puts the AR user far above legit players.
 
Fishin said:
Oh, and as for my personal views, I don't believe there's anything wrong with playing with hacked pokemon as long as they're using legit stats/movesets. People just don't have time, or just don't want to spend lots of time (hours, easily) for a chance (breeding is very highly based on luck) at one pokemon with good IV's. Not only that, but if someone wanted a really hard to obtain (Say, an XD Tangela with morning sun) pokemon with good IV's and nature, they'd have to not only spend hours trying to get a good one but buy another entire game.

This isn't the situation for me, really, but I understand that people may have time issues and can't spend hours every day breeding for good IV's, and to lock them out of competitive play just because they don't have tons of extra time to spend is just unfair.

Or even if they just don't want to spend extra time. Breeding is pretty boring work - just pressing up and down over and over, occasionally picking up an egg and checking it's IV's. This isn't a game about breeding - it's a game about battling.
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I can use a code in an action game to obtain, for example, all the weapons that are available when I beat the game. I just don't have the time to finish the game, but I want to have infinite rocket launchers.

This is the definition of cheating. Using a leaky way to get something ahead of time.
 
If i had an action replay I'd just go and put the shiny code on and make a wild pokemon appear shiny. But I'd probably not use it for anything else


Oh and cloning obv
 
Well, I'm glad to see that people aren't freaking out over the whole AR thing, cuz i don't see a problem with it. If it means cloning things in one try as opposed to like ten, then why not? And if it can make your breeding faster, and get you unobtainable pokemon that you may never get the chance to obtain otherwise (shaymin/darkrai/arceus) then why not? Who cares? As long as its IVs arent hacked and moves are legal, it's fine. Another thing that bugs me is when people complain about shiny pokemon, like who cares? OMG a shiny pokemon, how unfair!!!! I've only ever gotten one shiny out of all four generations, I dont' complain. It actually had a decent attack IV too, a golbat in ruby. Yeah, so I'm pro-hacking as long as it's not an abusive hack.
 
StarWizard said:
I can use a code in an action game to obtain, for example, all the weapons that are available when I beat the game. I just don't have the time to finish the game, but I want to have infinite rocket launchers.

This is the definition of cheating. Using a leaky way to get something ahead of time.
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That and this are pretty different, because we're talking about online, competitive play, not just regular unlockables. If we're talking about truly competitive play, everyone should have the exact same set of resources to play with. One person having an innate advantage because they've got more time to waste is just plain unfair.

Of course, you could go the opposite way and say that hacking gives an unfair advantage to the person who has perfect IV's. This is true, unfortunately, and there's still likely to be a gap. So what's the solution to give EVERYONE an equal playing field? There really isn't a true solution, but in this case a "Live and let live" attitude seems to be the best path to take.

Imagine a tournament for a really, really competitive game (StarCraft, let's say), and one player having bonus damage for all of his units right from the start. See what I mean?
 
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