Terrakion

Chou Toshio said:
I would spam Stone Edge first if I were you (especially with CB), just because of Shanderaa . . .
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Well since its a sand team i have Tyranitar who easily traps Shandera for one and ive been using this awesome shed shell breloom to lure out Shandera (Its not a gimmick damn it >_<) so i havnt really had any problems with spamming Close combat really.

SJCrew said:
Breloom really can't do anything to Gliscor, Gyarados, or Zapdos, and neither can Scizor for that matter.
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A 252 Hp/4 Def Gliscor will always get ohk0'd by a LO Technician Brelooms Bullet seed if it hits 5 times with stealth rock up.No offense or anything but CANT DO ANYTHING MY ASS ;].Gyara is also Ohk0'd by 4 bullets and Sr.Possibly even without Sr with 5 bullets (Prolly wont be with intimidate however)
 
Taking accuracy into account, Breloom only has a 15% chance of hitting 5 times with Bullet Seed, assuming the assumptions about its changed chances are correct. It's a good move, but not at all a reliable way of tearing down those Pokemon in one hit.
 
Yes of course by no means it is a reliable way of taking out the mentioned mons.I was just stating that they cannot wall Breloom in any way what so ever.Also the chances are a bit higher as there is a good chance to crit.
 
N00b Lyf3 said:
A 252 Hp/4 Def Gliscor will always get ohk0'd by a LO Technician Brelooms Bullet seed if it hits 5 times with stealth rock up.No offense or anything but CANT DO ANYTHING MY ASS ;].Gyara is also Ohk0'd by 4 bullets and Sr.Possibly even without Sr with 5 bullets (Prolly wont be with intimidate however)
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That'd be completely correct if we were still in 4th Gen. He needed that speed for Lucario, but now that he's neither as common nor effective, Gliscor can freely run an Impish nature with enough Speed to outpace Breloom. Plus, Doryuuzu. Since most of the Gliscor I've played have been notoriously hard to kill, I think it's safe to say that the metagame has wasted no time adapting in accordance with this.

So I think it's fair to say at this point that Breloom, much like Lucario, can't do much about Gliscor and will be forced out almost every time.
 
Except he can still only come in once. He can't roost on breloom, because if the breloom player predicts and uses bullet seed, it hits a roosting Gliscor super effectively. And you're not going to switch something gliscor can roost on into gliscor.
 
lol, bs. He can come in on Breloom as many times as Breloom decides he wants to Mach Punch or SD. Bullet Seed at three hits barely breaks half. Gliscor doesn't have to predict and Roost when he OHKOs with Aerial Ace.
 
He also doesn't have to try to roost if he's using Protect / Toxic Orb. It's a little dangerous if Breloom is packing SD / Substitute, but protect can give a free 12% to Gliscor and -6.5% to tech breloom.

Also, if Impish Gliscor has come into battle before Breloom and already done his protect/fling thing, he's a perfect counter for Tech Breloom, being immune to Spore and packing the STAB 110 Acrobat . . .

Aren't we kinda getting off track in terms of Terakion though?
 
I really hate the Stone Edge miss. Is there something important that Rock Slide fails to kill that Stone Edge does? Also at +2.
 
SJCrew said:
That'd be completely correct if we were still in 4th Gen. He needed that speed for Lucario, but now that he's neither as common nor effective, Gliscor can freely run an Impish nature with enough Speed to outpace Breloom. Plus, Doryuuzu. Since most of the Gliscor I've played have been notoriously hard to kill, I think it's safe to say that the metagame has wasted no time adapting in accordance with this.
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I stand corrected.Never considerred that.But id still say it can be quite Troublesome for Gliscor as theres a good chance to get 2hk0'd.You could also go with Toxic Orb to even safely switch it in on the first turn where the spore is probably coming but you do loose Roost then however.Like Chou Pointed out Protect works pretty well but if Loom predicts it and Subs it would be bad.But i dont really see too many Looms with Sub nowadays though
 
Stats-wise: pretty cool
Movepool: Ok and can be work with just about right, Swords dance, rock polish, sandstorm special defense boost (and Megahorn), good stuff.
Sugimori art: Bloody awesome.

Lee edit: adding said Sugimori art to post so that people don't need to go find it to confirm whether or not it is awesome (hint: it is)

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Yeah the Sugimori art for Terakion is AWESOME! With Terakion's great speed, Rock Slide is entirely viable given the flinch chance. Gliscor, offensive Gliscor specifically, doesn't miss Roost that much. Status immunity, an extra attack slot, and constant healing is a good tradeoff for a recovery move that removes some important resistances. Breloom can not Spore me and my Acrobat OHKOs every time.
 
Oh hey, the concept art is pretty cool. :)

But one thing I was really surprised to find out was that on PO ladder, he's ranked somewhere in the hundreds. I mean, I expected this of Virizion and Cobaruon, since one's merely okay while the other sucks, but even the best of the three was shafted for usage. :/

I guess we can attribute that to Kerudio stealing usage from all three of him. He's walled pretty hard by some things too, but he has the best combination of offensive typing and sweeping stats of the three. Going mixed using only one stat helps a lot too.
 
SJCrew said:
Oh hey, the concept art is pretty cool. :)

But one thing I was really surprised to find out was that on PO ladder, he's ranked somewhere in the hundreds. I mean, I expected this of Virizion and Cobaruon, since one's merely okay while the other sucks, but even the best of the three was shafted for usage. :/

I guess we can attribute that to Kerudio stealing usage from all three of him. He's walled pretty hard by some things too, but he has the best combination of offensive typing and sweeping stats of the three. Going mixed using only one stat helps a lot too.
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Flygon getting more usage than Terakion is a testament to how bad the PO playerbase is.

Well, it was pretty high in usage last gen, despite being a complete liability vs. one of the most dominant playstles in the higher metagame, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the POplayer base bad
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I'm sure the good people of Smogon aren't the main contributors. Keep in mind this is the same playerbase that uses Light Ball Raichu. (more than 30% of Raichu's were holding Light ball -_-)
 
Well, it was pretty high in usage last gen, despite being a complete liability vs. one of the most dominant playstles in the higher metagame, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the Smogon player base bad.
 
We really don't have an established tiering system yet, but eh, Terakion looks like he could see more usage than....Flygon, of all things.

Oh, and new: PO Smogon Server's up, so we don't have to rely on Beta or /tr/ to test out 5th generation. Perhaps Terakion can get more usage there?
 
Does Stone Edge get any reliable kills over Rock Slide? If so what are they? RS may want a slash.

Anyway, this fucks up Tyranitar. It gets boosts off of it's crunches and gets a SS boost in the sand, and close combat wrecks it. I definitely see it being nice on any type of team as a SD RR or even choice bander I don't see it though being something to base a team around though. More of a support for shit like that.

yeah, this wrecks shit.
 
I see this guy being an amazing dory counter with balloon. Swith into eq, set up on the nit brick break move while he poops your balloon with rock polish, then you outspeed and kill. I will totally use him on my ss team so dirt doesnt rape me
 
-Charmander- said:
I see this guy being an amazing dory counter with balloon. Swith into eq, set up on the nit brick break move while he poops your balloon with rock polish, then you outspeed and kill. I will totally use him on my ss team so dirt doesnt rape me
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Seems a bit counterinituitive to use this guy to counter dory (especially due to the fact that the balloon is very fragile... even a rapid spin will destroy it)... also it poops your balloon?

On a more serious note, there are lots of better dory counters (weezing with SE fire blast, skarm in general, roob, bronzong, etc.)
 
I know the whole, breloom can be walled argument is over, but the one thing no one's mentioned is the breloom can easily spore its counters.

And yeah, it can't always spore on the switch for fear of getting cc'd, but it can still get lucky and nail them.
 
tehy said:
I know the whole, breloom can be walled argument is over, but the one thing no one's mentioned is the breloom can easily spore its counters.

And yeah, it can't always spore on the switch for fear of getting cc'd, but it can still get lucky and nail them.
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This shouldn't be discussed anymore but Toxic Orb Gliscor walls Breloom, can't be Spored, and OHKOs with Acrobat even if you haven't flung it yet. It's the perfect counter.
 
Breludicolo said:
Seems a bit counterinituitive to use this guy to counter dory (especially due to the fact that the balloon is very fragile... even a rapid spin will destroy it)... also it poops your balloon?

On a more serious note, there are lots of better dory counters (weezing with SE fire blast, skarm in general, roob, bronzong, etc.)
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Gliscor's a great counter too.
 
I've been to the Smogon server and Terakion has been used quite a bit, especially with Rock Polish. After that thing set up one RP, it was gg for me as it took down four pokes, including Doryuzu and Garchomp, in the sand.
 
I hate this thing. I usually tend to sac Nattorei for Iron Barbs damage then RK with Techniloom's Mach Punch. What else helps to counter this beast?

Rock Polish + SD makes this thing a beast; it's essentially a slightly weaker Groudon with awesome dual STABs and a resistance to Extremespeed which allows it to be used as a check for SD Arceus.

And why the hell do people use Flygon? It's GEN V people, Garchomp is UNBANNED.
 
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