Terrakion (Protect) [QC 0/3]

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Man, it's a great set, and not sure why it's not on site to be honest.

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RAWR!

[SET]
name: Protect
move 1: Protect
move 2: Close Combat
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Swords Dance / X-Scissor / Quick Attack
item: Life Orb
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Why this deserves to be on site?

  • most of Terrakion's checks are choiced in some form, whether they be Scarfed or Banded.
  • Protect eases prediction on what the opponent wants to do. It also punishes people who make over predictions (Scizor locking itself into U-Turn instead of Bullet Punch)
  • Is a pretty good answer to most Volt-Turning, since most people spam Volt Switch / U-Turn instead of going for the kill. Also scouts for items on some Pokemon after SR (leftovers on Rotom) so Terrakion has more information on what it can and can't handle.
  • Protect also adds that mental question of "since he knows what I am locked into, will he switch now?", meaning you can try to predict switches and eliminate opposing counters.
  • Close Combat rocks Scizor thinking it can just U-Turn expecting a switch, or something else gets rocked by Close Combat
  • Stone Edge sucks
  • SD makes you on steriods. X-Scissor is to catch Celebi / Latias switch-ins. Quick Attack for priority.
Additional Comments:

  • Because this Terrakion is utilizing Protect, it works well with a defensive core that can handle everything that threatens it once it figures out the opponent's move choice.
  • Skarmory handles Scizor locked into Bullet Punch and can start setting up Spikes, as well as most physical attackers.
  • Jirachi / Heatran handles the fast Dragons (Latios) and also help for Celebi
  • Tyranitar pursuit traps annoying Pokemon like Latios and Gengar
  • Gastrodon walls most special attackers (scarfed Water-type moves)
  • Gliscor can handle choiced Fighting-type attacks (Scarfed Terrakion)
  • Magnezone makes for a great teammate. Although it shares common weaknesses, it deters Scizor from going for Bullet Punch
  • Rotom-W makes a good teammate, resisting Bullet Punch and being immune to Earthquake while being able to Volt Switch as the opponent is forced to switch their Choice locked Pokemon out.
  • Earthquake can be used if you are Toxicroak weak.
  • Rock Slide > Stone Edge for accuracy, but the loss in Power is really not worth it.
  • Leftovers can be used over Life Orb for longevity.
  • Needs to be wary of Pokemon bluffing a choiced Item.
 
favorite set hereeeeee <3

though i don't see why EQ is slashed before Quick Attack, i'd use SD before EQ. quick attack is useful for hitting the meta for about 20% and finishes off annoying things like low hp scarf lando and latios. EQ hits Jirachi for 20 BP more than CC and it hits the lolnido. so qa > eq imo
 
I see this being a great set against most of terrakion's counters, except that this terrakion will get kill by bluffers all day, or bulky swords dance scizor. You might want to mention that somewhere in you skeleton. Otherwise it seems like a phenomanal set.
 
Slashes for the last slot should probably be Swords Dance / X-Scissor / Quick Attack in some order. I don't really see why you'd ever be using Earthquake; its not even a staple on the choice sets because of its incredibly redundant coverage so I don't think its really worth a slash (or at least not first slash) on a set that has fewer available moveslots already. Swords Dance / X-Scissor / Quick Attack all have far greater utility imo, but I guess mention in AC that if your team is really Toxicroak weak or something then Earthquake is an option.

I actually find Magnezone to be one of the best partners for this set, because your opponent likely won't be recklessly locking themselves into Bullet Punch once they see it in team preview. However, it shares those nasty ground- and fighting- weaknesses. Rotom-W is also another obvious choice for its 4x Bullet Punch resistance and Earthquake immunities, and can take advantage of the forced switch with its own Volt Switch.

EDIT: When you write this up you'd probably have to say how this set differentiates itself from SubSD. Protect is generally way better vs offense where you often won't be getting many free turns to get-up a substitute, and also generally deals more damage from the get-go if SubSD can't set-up. SubSD is better against stall and bulkier teams because it can OHKO Gliscor / Slowbro etc.
 
Haha I knew you would be posting on this set PenguinX.

Ok, that looks good, I'll change up the 4th move slot, as well as add those two Pokemon in the teammates section with that information. I honestly didn't know what to put there, since CC + Stone Edge is all I've ever needed, and I used Quick Attack for the longest time haha.
 
Yeah, just a nitpick, the set name should be Protect as the third move is slashed, thus it is not +3 Attacks as the name suggests.
 
Changes made, though the name "Protect" kind of sucks.

If anyone can suggest something better, please speak up!
 
i know Hidden Power Ice Terrakion has never really been well accepted but since you're already using Life Orb and you've gone as far as to reccomend Quick Attack and X-Scissor 'for Celebi' then you may as well...

0 SpA LO HP Ice vs 252/0 Gliscor = 71.19% - 84.75%

not so much a 'lure' as a 'thank god i'm no longer walled by the premier physical wall' kinda thing ala Mienshao.
 
Conflict said:

MYSTICkion


There ya go. Oh my god how does he do it?
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Ingenious, I never thought of that. You are a legend.

On a serious note, I was thinking about MYSTICkion, but I did not want to make it sound too cliche.

Lee said:
i know Hidden Power Ice Terrakion has never really been well accepted but since you're already using Life Orb and you've gone as far as to reccomend Quick Attack and X-Scissor 'for Celebi' then you may as well...

0 SpA LO HP Ice vs 252/0 Gliscor = 71.19% - 84.75%

not so much a 'lure' as a 'thank god i'm no longer walled by the premier physical wall' kinda thing ala Mienshao.
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Eh, need QC input on this one. X-Scissor is standard on Terrakion (also hits Latias, not just Celebi) and Quick Attack gives Terrakion some form of priority (both of these options are on standard sets now adays). HP Ice just hits Gliscor, and doesn't come close to doing anything to the large amount of counters that come up if you use HP Ice instead of a coverage move.


As a side note, should some of the sets for Terrakion (Choice Band / Scarf) be updated? Some of them still have Sacred Sword listed, and I have never seen that option ever.
 
HP Ice is pretty damn good on Terrakion. Definitely AC that at least, as the last slot is primarily filler. It's better than Quick Attack, at least.
 
HP Ice just hits Gliscor, and doesn't come close to doing anything to the large amount of counters that come up if you use HP Ice instead of a coverage move.
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name one (hint: if you say claydol i'm going to lol and if you say toxi/nidos then i'll point out that you haven't listed eq either)

Stone Edge is 150BP on Lati@s while X-Scissor is 160BP and since you really need to be hitting both of them on the switch Stone Edge is the far safer option to be spamming on switches from a prediction standpoint. X-Scissor nails Celebi for sure, but LO Stone Edge also does 70% to offensive versions and always 2HKO's Tinkerbell.

I've used Terrakion thousands of times and I've literally never used X-Scissor once despite it often being in the fourth moveslot quite often. It simply has very little use in battle. HP Ice, on the other hand, lets you beat your most common switch-in. I'm not saying it's a fantastic option (Swords Dance is easily still the best option) but it kicks the crap out of both X-Scissor and Quick Attack and since you yourself have already said 'I honestly didn't know what to put there, since CC + Stone Edge is all I've ever needed' then i don't see the problem
 
You obviously mustn't see the merit that QA provides. Things like scarf'ers that switch into hazards and an LO boosted attack such as Landorus that have ~ 20% get picked off by Quick Attack. It's BKC and I's favourite set.
 
Lee said:
name one (hint: if you say claydol i'm going to lol and if you say toxi/nidos then i'll point out that you haven't listed eq either)

Stone Edge is 150BP on Lati@s while X-Scissor is 160BP and since you really need to be hitting both of them on the switch Stone Edge is the far safer option to be spamming on switches from a prediction standpoint. X-Scissor nails Celebi for sure, but LO Stone Edge also does 70% to offensive versions and always 2HKO's Tinkerbell.

I've used Terrakion thousands of times and I've literally never used X-Scissor once despite it often being in the fourth moveslot quite often. It simply has very little use in battle. HP Ice, on the other hand, lets you beat your most common switch-in. I'm not saying it's a fantastic option (Swords Dance is easily still the best option) but it kicks the crap out of both X-Scissor and Quick Attack and since you yourself have already said 'I honestly didn't know what to put there, since CC + Stone Edge is all I've ever needed' then i don't see the problem
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EQ is in the AC, so yeah, I did mention it.

Celebi takes shit from HP Ice and KOs with Giga Drain (Stone Edge also misses, so the Base Power and the Accuracy being more also helps). X-Scissor demolishes Celebi, so yeah....there's one. If you want another, X-Scissor helps against Starmie on the switch, since, once again, Stone Edge is a terrible move and relying on it is lol.

Also, as Bri stated, Quick Attack is meant to pick off weakened faster Pokemon, like Scarfed Landorus or Starmie, so Quick Attack is definitely not less useless than HP Ice.

It's not a problem, and like I said, let QC weigh in, but being so closed minded about two moves that are both viable options doesn't help either.

Edit: I'm also being told MYSTICkion is a terrible name lol. Is Protect or perhaps "Tect"kion better? Thoughts?
 
Simply use Protect, the name isn't that important anyways.

And honestly, I would always use Swords Dance in the last slot. It lets you set up on overpredictions or if you force out something, and are all other moves are really filler. The only other move I would consider is Quick Attack, having priority is always cool, but I doubt it needs a slash. Honestly I would just go with solely Swords Dance in the last slot and mention Quick Attack (and possibly Hidden Power Ice) in AC.
 
I agree with Lee. Whenever i used Terrakion, choiced or not, i don't even remember if i have used X-Scissor once... Everything that X-Scissor hits is hit almost equally hard by SE, with the exception of Celebi, which usually is deathly afraid of non choiced Terrakion since SD Terrakion destroys it. So the moment the opponent sees LO, i think they are going to keep their Celebi away. Also Stone Edge's misses don't matter against the things you would want to hit with X-Scissor, because you are trying to hit them on the switch anyway. If it misses, you can switch out and repeat later, and if it hits, bam they are dead!

Also Starmie and Latios are both destroyed by Stone Edge on the switch in and they are both ohkoed with SR on the field (Latios takes 84,77%-99,67%, 81,25% chance to ohko after SR, and Starmie takes 92,75%-109,16%, sure ohko after SR), so X-Scissor is not needed. Finally X-Scissor does 68,13%-80,22% to 252 HP Latias in comparison to SE's 63,46%-75%, so either move cannot ohko even after SR + ss damage, so X-Scissor's only use is OHKOing Celebi. So if you compare the ohko on Celebi to the 71.19% - 84.75% that that HP Ice does to Gliscor, i prefer the latter, because Gliscor is one of Terrakion's best switch-ins, while Celebi...uh not. Also HP Ice can be used to revenge kill weakened Dnite and ohko 100% of the time Naive Mence after SR, so u dont have to risk the miss.

For these reasons i believe that the last slot should be like this: Quick Attack / SD / HP Ice. X-Scissor in AC is good enough imo.

Tomahawk9 said:
Simply use Protect, the name isn't that important anyways.

And honestly, I would always use Swords Dance in the last slot. It lets you set up on overpredictions or if you force out something, and are all other moves are really filler. The only other move I would consider is Quick Attack, having priority is always cool, but I doubt it needs a slash. Honestly I would just go with solely Swords Dance in the last slot and mention Quick Attack (and possibly Hidden Power Ice) in AC.
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Quick Attack is very nice to finish fast pokes that want to come in against Terra. For example SE + Quick Attack is a possible 2hko on 252 HP Latias after SR and ss damage. Similarly SE + Quick Attack is a guaranteed 2hko on Scarf Lando after SR.
 
Rock Gem is a viable item to be used when you run Swords Dance, as it allows Stone Edge to OHKO Celebi and Gliscor at +2, so there isn't any reason to go for an additional attack (HP Ice, Quick Attack, ect.) since Swords Dance allows it to break stall, and the best part is the protect helps it against offensive based teams as well as stall. Argueably Double Dancer and SubSD are a bit better, but this set can scout which is a useful skill to utilize.

My point: Rock Gem is probably the best item paired with Swords Dance since Swords Dance increases it to high power anyways and the LO recoil + hazards just make this thing less likely to live.

Other: However, if you decide not to go with Swords Dance, Rock Gem isn't the best item, and Life Orb would be (despite my hatred to avoidable LO recoil) and Hidden Power [Ice] would be the best option. Why? Because this Terrakion's X-Scissor isn't going to OHKO Celebi, and Stone Edge is still a 2HKO (unless defensive, but then again, X-Scissor wouldn't be a 2HKO on defensive sets either *off top of my head, feel free to correct me.*) X-Scissor and Stone Edge's difference are in accuracy, that is all. Banded set is different, as it can actually OHKO with X-Scissor, but Stone Edge on that set is probably the best choice since opponent will most likely switch out anyways. Quick Attack, although useful for revenge killing faster pokemon, is the recessive choice, inferior to Swords Dance. Hidden Power [Ice] is the superior option because Stone Edge is still going to hit Celebi for the knock out if its in the KO zone (and the zone is a only slightly less than X-Scissor) while having the freedom to say, "Ah, Gliscor only checks me." You know why? Because defensive Gliscor's EQ is a 2HKO, and guess who out speeds? Terrakion. Therefore we beat Gliscor, and it is better than X-Scissor due to the only slight difference between X-Scissor and Stone Edge.


Changes: I personally would just say use Swords Dance and switch LO with Rock Gem. However, slash LO with Rock Gem, and then slash Swords Dance with HP [Ice] and you should be fine.
 
I think the problem with this set is the fact that it is very similar to the Sub SD set on site, especially if you mention Rock Gem. When you factor in that this set really should run Swords Dance its almost an exact copy but with Protect over Substitute.

To be fair, Protect lets you scout without costing you health, however Substitute actually gives you the shield to prevent revenge kills. My main gripe with the set, is that I really, really doubt that people overpredict against a Terrakion. For example, why the fuck would you U-Turn, when you get smoked by Close Combat, or Terrakion can take the oppotunity to set up a free Swords Dance. I just think the utility of the set is undermined on the fact that Terrakion can be such a threat in the metagame, why would you risk overpredicting on your counter/check to Terrakion, when if you predict wrong you lose. To me, this means that Substitute is a more attractive option since that substitute on the switch means that Scizor struggles to beat you (and you can switch out to Skarmory or something after it breaks your sub after you CC it) so I think the advantages this set has is very limited.

Personally, couldn't you just give Protect an AC mention, especially when Substitute is usually better?
 
Personally I would put x-scizzor/quick attack in AC just because I can rarely imagine myself not using swords dance as stuff like celebi/starmie dont enjoy eating a +2 stone edge(even non boosted can hurt pretty bad on switch). Like others have said, I would slash Rock Gem in with Life Orb as ohkoing slowbro/gliscor is just so nice.

Partners wise, I have had a lot of sucess using a bulky sd scizor alongside terrakion. With roost it doesnt mind taking choice locked bullet punches/occaisonal eq. Scizor can also setup on and beat gliscor while it greatly appreciates terrakion taking out skarmorys.
 
Why not just slash Protect on the SubSD set already on site and rename it "Utility SD"? This set is essentially to offense what SubSD is to stall.
 
to be honest, the two play completely differently. While the Sub SD is meant to prevent revenge killing, Protect is meant for Terrakion to be a scouter.

And Ginganinja, you would be surprised how many people U-Turn on Terrakion, especially early game.

Also, Terrakion's X-Scissor is 4x super effective on Celebi....it will OHKO pretty sure (for the person that said it wouldn't)
 
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