It doesn't really have a switch in, but scarf Keldeo outspeeds, Gallade can always take a hit thanks to its high SpD, and bisharp smacks it with sucker punch.
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Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Secret Sword
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body --> Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch/Pursuit
- Zen Headbutt
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Secret Sword
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body --> Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch/Pursuit
- Zen Headbutt
S/D/F core in 2 mons lgi
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These two have great defensive synergy together and cover each others weaknesses quite well from what Ive found. The Altaria set is one that Ive been using, as the SAtk EVs guarantee a 2HKO at worst on everything relevant that Altaria should stay in on, while sponging up special hits from the likes of Keldeo, Lati@s, Thundurus, etc. It can even live an Ice beam from Ninja and OHKO back with Hyper Voice, which is always great. Tran is there to do what Tran does best. Its a standard set but standard sets are there for a reason, right? The speed EVs outpace something that I cant remember but I see them all the time so thats why theyre there.
Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 216 HP / 96 SpA / 120 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost
- Heal Bell
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 208 SpD / 52 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 216 HP / 96 SpA / 120 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost
- Heal Bell
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 208 SpD / 52 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
These two have great defensive synergy together and cover each others weaknesses quite well from what Ive found. The Altaria set is one that Ive been using, as the SAtk EVs guarantee a 2HKO at worst on everything relevant that Altaria should stay in on, while sponging up special hits from the likes of Keldeo, Lati@s, Thundurus, etc. It can even live an Ice beam from Ninja and OHKO back with Hyper Voice, which is always great. Tran is there to do what Tran does best. Its a standard set but standard sets are there for a reason, right? The speed EVs outpace something that I cant remember but I see them all the time so thats why theyre there.
Latios @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 84 Atk / 176 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
revived from the dust that was b/w ou specs latios is at it again :] one thing that specs latios appreciates out of the equation is fairies which is where scizor comes in. the designated fairy killer and the blue bomber has nice synergy. scizor can get rid of fairies and special walls like azu, clef, chansey and blissey. he does have trouble with things like rotom w heatran and slowbro. latios can shrek these aforementioned pokes with things like draco meteor, psyshock or surf. the reason he has sleep talk is so he can be a sort of sleep fodder which helps scizor not worry about taking a nap in the middle of his sweep. thanks in advance ctc :]]]
Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- U-turn
- Rest
- Stealth Rock
- yawn
Lanturn @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Volt Switch
- Scald
- Heal Bell
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
Enter the most gimmicky core you've ever laid your eyes on.
In my attempt to make a successful Uxie team, I came up with this, and it seems to do pretty well. In a nutshell: Uxie sets up rocks and forces switches like no tomorrow, while Lanturn forms a VoltTurn core and heals Uxie of her sleep whenever she Rests. Lanturn also appreciates the ground immunity Uxie presents.
Uxie is there as a cress that doesn't do what cress does; while Cress just walls stuff to hell and back + beats both landos/scor, Uxie sets up rocks, forces switches to increase hazards damage, and provides momentum, which stall appreciates. Rest also allows it to absorb status, another big selling point for Stall and something Cress can't boast (being able to heal status is one thing, being able to absorb it until it's healed is another). Being a rocker also frees up another teamslot for another role, which helps alleviate Stall's problem of having only 6 pokemon slots.
Lanturn appreciates Uxie's Ground immunity and is a good mon for stall in general. It frees up a moveslot on your wishpasser, giving you a lot of room to build around, is a full stop to all relevant electric-types, can spread status pretty well, and doesn't miss Rotom-W's WoW due to Scald.
I know this is a lot to ask for, but I do think this has the potential for a great stall team, and if there's anybody capable of making it, it would be you (or Gr8astard, the two of you are in a league of your own)
EDIT: I use Lanturn over Rotom-W for a few reasons. He outsources Heal Bell from the wishpasser; he 100% walls all relevant Electric-types; he doesn't miss WoW because of Scald, albeit being a less reliable source; and the free moveslot to spread either poison or paralyzation, which Rotom-W can't afford.
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I would like to propose this nasty core that is about two normal-types that have other STAB covering the normal-type STAB resistances. M-Lopunny wrecks offense and pull its weight against balance by being really fast and w/ unresisted STAB mon and Diggersby likes to face stall but suffers to setup a swords dance without being harassed. So I propose that Lopunny do the sub passing to him so he can setup SD in peace. There is also a common situation that happens when I switch Lopunny safely against rotom-w: It tries to w-o-w Lop, I sub and when it goes for the safe volt switching I simply pass the sub to digg, that will make rotom stay in, get a free SD and kill Rotom and more on the sequence. Dig set is standard SD w/ life orb so I can kill Skarmory and make things more easy for Lop and the Lop set is the standard to outspeed relevant stuff while not caring about speed ties.
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Diggersby @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Frustration
- Quick Attack
Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
Happiness: 0
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Frustration
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
Ability: Huge Power
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Frustration
- Quick Attack
Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
Happiness: 0
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Frustration
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
Sup CTC, alright, the strategy speaks for itself I suppose, SD/Speedpass Scoli into MegaMeta and wreak havoc. Although considered more of a gimmicky strategy more than anything, it was still decently effective with mons like Mega Heracross last gen. Seeing as Metagross is already obscenely powerful by itself, receiving a boost from Scoli means it can run optimal coverage without sacrificing a move for Agility if it wants to attempts to sweep by itself (although Agility would be a suboptimal moveset anyway). Due to the sheer power of MegeMeta I really believe, if properly supported, that this team can succesfully and most of all consistently sweep opposing teams. I have been trying to play around with it myself, but I simply cannot find the optimal mix of mons to support this. Magnezone seemed decent as it traps Skarm and Ferro, but it doesn't add anything else other than that. I'm also having trouble finding a backup sweeper, and the use of a screener like Klef, but then no rocks, and Azelf didn't fit in really well either. Obviously this is never going to be a well balanced team, but I thought you would definitely be able to find the mons to make this work in the ORAS meta! (Of course if this idea is absolute trash and you hate it, I trust in you that you will let me know).
Scolipede @ Mental Herb/Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Def / 240 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute/Megahorn
- Protect/Megahorn
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance
Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
Scolipede @ Mental Herb/Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Def / 240 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute/Megahorn
- Protect/Megahorn
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance
Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
first and foremost building has been fun but one threat in particular has been gettin me riled up w its newfound coverage. fuck greninja. iv always liked the mon and enjoyed using it but its beginning to seem like the rp gene of bw now, without even having to rp. building around that shit is hard as fuck cuz it can run so many sets, and nothing short of like porygon 2 hard walls all sets. albeit not "broken" in the sense that it can sweep teams, the mon is still retarded good and overcentralizing. once a mon is cemented in a metagame to the point where theres no reason not to use it, its gotta go. just my 2 cents, fuck greninja
SketchUp
sigh another zone core,,, rlly tired of skilless trapping so heres a skillful luretrap core. gyara and mag tran. scrf rachi hasnt seen use since way back but seeing as im not bisharp weak at all rachi fills 3 rolls just fine 1 ninja switchin/check, 2 dd mon check, and 3 hwish support. passho tar is actually the ninja check and initial switchin, just get it in on a non water or gk move and para it or some shit. pursuit can also be used over crunch but 3 steel types = latis dont do much taunt gyara shits on stall no questions asked, just whittle the venu w sand and tran and ur set. yea azu is troublesome so i guess ferro over rachi works.
BlackLight
though i dont see particular synergy here im still gonna give it a shot, partly because i loved agilipoleon in bw. it being one of the few ninja switchins also helps. poleon will have a hard time sweeping early due to everyone and their mom running an obligatory ninja check which will likely wall it. good news is, cm keld and cm pass cele help break thru walls or buff it up to break thru walls. sable is just great vs fat shit, and an end game cm pass into agility has sweeping potential
I_am_A_Garchomp
swampert is horseshit since it doesnt gain ss the turn it volvs. its also weak as shit and horseshit in utility besides being an elec resist. one thing to keep in mind when playing with rain ho is to not give a single fuck. get rain, click setup, click attacks. once u give too many fucks, they dodge ur rain turns and start attacking, then u lose.
Volty
not a bad core, but pursuit sacrifices gross' sweeping moveslot and renders it more of a fast and strong breaker/utility mon. not a bad role however. imo w the mash nerf theres no point running it seeing as the steel typing is enuf of a deterrent against fairies, while cm keld beats clef on the switchin anyways. mash is a horseshit move. 2 setup fights to take advantage of gross pursuiting latis and headbutting poisons, a bit weak to ninja but what team isnt. good thing ninja comes in on nothing which is nice, and 2 mons revenge it
-Clone-
on paper i think that altaria is a waste of a mega, but then again its a pretty cool lure/glue/cleric on stall and can beat some of the biggest stall killers like mega sable, keld, zard etc.
lickilicky cuz only normal types can rly "counter" ninja, shoutout ben gay. ferro tran the trusty steel core and starm so i can run spikes. looks sturdy enuf vs the top threats maybe a bit shaky vs bisharp, but fast tran should be able to kill it. it does set up on licki tho which is kind of an issue, but its not worth running timid altaria for imo
BONGMASTER420
too common of a core sry bruh literally toss spex on any lati zor team
Talenheim
at first glance i thought it was a dogshit core. upon reading ur analysis and further examining the core, i found that its still beeshit but not unsalvageable.
pretty aids team 6-0d by bellyzu / eq zard, but eh fuck this horseshit put a balloon on tran and speed creep lanturn problem solved.
edit: dp or hammer arm r both acceptable on chesnaught
SketchUp
sigh another zone core,,, rlly tired of skilless trapping so heres a skillful luretrap core. gyara and mag tran. scrf rachi hasnt seen use since way back but seeing as im not bisharp weak at all rachi fills 3 rolls just fine 1 ninja switchin/check, 2 dd mon check, and 3 hwish support. passho tar is actually the ninja check and initial switchin, just get it in on a non water or gk move and para it or some shit. pursuit can also be used over crunch but 3 steel types = latis dont do much taunt gyara shits on stall no questions asked, just whittle the venu w sand and tran and ur set. yea azu is troublesome so i guess ferro over rachi works.
Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Healing Wish
- Iron Head
- Thunder Wave
Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 84 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Protect
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Defog
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Draco Meteor
Mega Gyarados (F) @ Gyaradosite
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
Tyranitar (F) @ Passho Berry
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Crunch
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Magma Storm
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Earth Power
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Healing Wish
- Iron Head
- Thunder Wave
Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 84 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Protect
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Defog
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Draco Meteor
Mega Gyarados (F) @ Gyaradosite
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
Tyranitar (F) @ Passho Berry
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Crunch
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Magma Storm
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Earth Power
though i dont see particular synergy here im still gonna give it a shot, partly because i loved agilipoleon in bw. it being one of the few ninja switchins also helps. poleon will have a hard time sweeping early due to everyone and their mom running an obligatory ninja check which will likely wall it. good news is, cm keld and cm pass cele help break thru walls or buff it up to break thru walls. sable is just great vs fat shit, and an end game cm pass into agility has sweeping potential
Sableye (F) @ Sablite
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Empoleon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
IVs: 0 Atk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Substitute
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Substitute
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 24 HP / 248 Atk / 236 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 248 SDef / 12 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Recover
- Giga Drain
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Empoleon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
IVs: 0 Atk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Substitute
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Substitute
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 24 HP / 248 Atk / 236 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 248 SDef / 12 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Recover
- Giga Drain
swampert is horseshit since it doesnt gain ss the turn it volvs. its also weak as shit and horseshit in utility besides being an elec resist. one thing to keep in mind when playing with rain ho is to not give a single fuck. get rain, click setup, click attacks. once u give too many fucks, they dodge ur rain turns and start attacking, then u lose.
Swampert (M) @ Swampertite
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 228 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Power-Up Punch / Ice Punch
- Superpower
- Earthquake
(Ludicolo) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Giga Drain
- Hydro Pump
- Focus Blast
- Knock Off
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SDef
IVs: 0 Spd
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rain Dance
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake / Toxic / Explosion
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rain Dance
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump / Scald
Politoed (M) @ Damp Rock
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Rest
- Toxic
- Encore
Kabutops (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Swords Dance
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 228 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Power-Up Punch / Ice Punch
- Superpower
- Earthquake
(Ludicolo) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Giga Drain
- Hydro Pump
- Focus Blast
- Knock Off
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SDef
IVs: 0 Spd
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rain Dance
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake / Toxic / Explosion
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rain Dance
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump / Scald
Politoed (M) @ Damp Rock
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Rest
- Toxic
- Encore
Kabutops (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Swords Dance
not a bad core, but pursuit sacrifices gross' sweeping moveslot and renders it more of a fast and strong breaker/utility mon. not a bad role however. imo w the mash nerf theres no point running it seeing as the steel typing is enuf of a deterrent against fairies, while cm keld beats clef on the switchin anyways. mash is a horseshit move. 2 setup fights to take advantage of gross pursuiting latis and headbutting poisons, a bit weak to ninja but what team isnt. good thing ninja comes in on nothing which is nice, and 2 mons revenge it
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 184 HP / 216 Def / 108 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
IVs: 30 HP / 30 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SAtk / 30 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Flying]
Breloom (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Roost
- Psyshock
- Draco Meteor
- Defog
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Secret Sword
Metagross @ Metagronite
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Hammer Arm
- Pursuit
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 184 HP / 216 Def / 108 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
IVs: 30 HP / 30 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SAtk / 30 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Flying]
Breloom (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Roost
- Psyshock
- Draco Meteor
- Defog
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Secret Sword
Metagross @ Metagronite
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Hammer Arm
- Pursuit
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
on paper i think that altaria is a waste of a mega, but then again its a pretty cool lure/glue/cleric on stall and can beat some of the biggest stall killers like mega sable, keld, zard etc.
lickilicky cuz only normal types can rly "counter" ninja, shoutout ben gay. ferro tran the trusty steel core and starm so i can run spikes. looks sturdy enuf vs the top threats maybe a bit shaky vs bisharp, but fast tran should be able to kill it. it does set up on licki tho which is kind of an issue, but its not worth running timid altaria for imo
Lickilicky (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Oblivious
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Knock Off
- Toxic
- Wish
- Protect
Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
IVs: 0 Spd
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Leech Seed
- Spikes
- Protect
- Gyro Ball
Mega Altaria (M) @ Altarianite
Trait: Pixilate
EVs: 232 HP / 180 SAtk / 96 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hyper Voice
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Heal Bell
Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Def / 16 SDef / 224 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Reflect Type
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Scald
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Substitute
- Taunt
- Protect
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 224 HP / 236 Def / 48 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Trait: Oblivious
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Knock Off
- Toxic
- Wish
- Protect
Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
IVs: 0 Spd
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Leech Seed
- Spikes
- Protect
- Gyro Ball
Mega Altaria (M) @ Altarianite
Trait: Pixilate
EVs: 232 HP / 180 SAtk / 96 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hyper Voice
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Heal Bell
Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Def / 16 SDef / 224 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Reflect Type
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Scald
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Substitute
- Taunt
- Protect
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 224 HP / 236 Def / 48 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
too common of a core sry bruh literally toss spex on any lati zor team
Talenheim
at first glance i thought it was a dogshit core. upon reading ur analysis and further examining the core, i found that its still beeshit but not unsalvageable.
pretty aids team 6-0d by bellyzu / eq zard, but eh fuck this horseshit put a balloon on tran and speed creep lanturn problem solved.
edit: dp or hammer arm r both acceptable on chesnaught
Lanturn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Def / 216 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Scald
- Heal Bell
- Thunder Wave
Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- U-turn
- Stealth Rock
- Rest
- Yawn
Sableye (F) @ Sablite
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Protect
Chesnaught (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Hammer Arm
- Spiky Shield
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Def / 216 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Scald
- Heal Bell
- Thunder Wave
Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- U-turn
- Stealth Rock
- Rest
- Yawn
Sableye (F) @ Sablite
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Protect
Chesnaught (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Hammer Arm
- Spiky Shield
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I love the two of hawlucha and (agility) mega metagross. they work together so well, after one set up another can sweap easly
Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 228 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
Hawlucha @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- High Jump Kick
- Acrobatics
Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 228 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
Hawlucha @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- High Jump Kick
- Acrobatics
Just a quick nitpick on the M-Gyara team, but Gyara needs to run Jolly with at least 248 Speed EVs to outspeed new Megas such as Beedrill, Sceptile, and Lopunny at +1, as well as M-Manectric, all of which can OHKO or easily put you into range of practically any form of priority. You also get to outspeed Scarf Magnezone at +1 and can Taunt/Sub/Crunch on Stallbreaker Mew before it can go for Wisp. You forgo some power but it's worth it since the speed tiers in ORAS are ridiculous.
Yeah, there really isn't that much synergy between Sable and Empoleon, it was just the first thing that came to mind that wasn't Magnezone lol. Team looks really fun, though, so thanks!BlackLight
though i dont see particular synergy here im still gonna give it a shot, partly because i loved agilipoleon in bw. it being one of the few ninja switchins also helps. poleon will have a hard time sweeping early due to everyone and their mom running an obligatory ninja check which will likely wall it. good news is, cm keld and cm pass cele help break thru walls or buff it up to break thru walls. sable is just great vs fat shit, and an end game cm pass into agility has sweeping potential
Sableye (F) @ Sablite
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Empoleon (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
IVs: 0 Atk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Substitute
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Substitute
Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 24 HP / 248 Atk / 236 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge
Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 248 SDef / 12 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect
Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Recover
- Giga Drain
Hey ctc got a nice offensive fwg core:
Sceptile-Mega @ Sceptilite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Giga Drain
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
Azumarill @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
I think these mons have a decent amount of synergy and would work well together. The talon set is the set i like the most but it could be any set that you think suits best for the team. Thanks for all the amazing teams and keep building!
Sceptile-Mega @ Sceptilite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Giga Drain
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
Azumarill @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
I think these mons have a decent amount of synergy and would work well together. The talon set is the set i like the most but it could be any set that you think suits best for the team. Thanks for all the amazing teams and keep building!
On cell right now so forgive me if this is short but I was interested in a team built around the Mega Gallade+Bisharp core. This popular core works well together with their typing having nice synergy handling each other's checks. Gallade's resistance to fighting works well with Bisharp who resists ghost and flying. Been trying to decide if I wanna use this core on a hyper offense team or a more balanced team. I've been focused on my M.Lopunny team so I haven't had time to work on a team based around this core. Also been trying to avoid using Greninja as I feel like this thing will hit ubers.
Gallade @ Galladite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Psycho Cut
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
Bisharp @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
Gallade @ Galladite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Psycho Cut
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
Bisharp @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
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And if you want help for your team, try the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread, but for that, you would need to give your whole team, rather than make people go right out of their way. Also, you would need better grammar in the post, so as to make it easier to grasp what you are saying.
Minor note: I think Gallade does not quad resist fighting
Also, this is just me, but on gallade, I tend to like running knock off over ice punch, since fighting and dark has really good coverage, but I guess you're running knock off on bisharp already, so it's not needed that much.
Good catch yeah you're right not sure why I was thinking that. I was running Ice Punch since Bisharp was running Knock Off but CTC could always change that depending on the team setup.
Seevea
gallade and gar do a gr8 job wallbreaking for ho mons, being fast and strong and well rounded vs all styles w their coverage. thus, their teammates just need to be other all purpose standard mons that overwhelm like a good ho team should.
(Keldeo-R) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Icy Wind
(Bisharp) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
Tyranitar (Gengar) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Destiny Bond
- Sludge Wave
Mega Gallade (M) @ Galladite
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Zen Headbutt
Garchomp (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
Greninja (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Protean
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
This is probably a bit late but i'd suggest Lum over sash on chomp purely for the fact that you can really fuck up mega sableye with that set, and the right sableye set can otherwise wall nearly this entire team (sdef w/wisp)
I'll just quote something i said on the viability thread for an explanation:
Might as well also post a core while i'm here:
Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 164 HP / 252 SpA / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Earthquake
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
Basically take hits and push shit in, this is a nice bulky offense core. Malt can take on keldeo and other fighting things whilst ttar can take on fires like talon or whatever. What I like best is the offensive coverage this team gets; Stone Edge 2hko's skarm (with enough speed to outpace it) and does a good chunk to chansey and other specially bulky crap and other annoying poisons as well, while superpower can lure in shit like ferro and get it out so that malt can spam hyper voice. Eq lures n kills tran on malt and fire blast nails zor+ferro switch-ins, so this core is fantastic at luring and destroying steels, the teammates should be planned as such. 92 speed on malt to outpace BD azu cuz i didn't feel like going faster.
This core kinda dies hard to exca and mvenu other steels so teammates oughta take care of that too :S Its not self-sufficient by any means but it puts in a lot of work in my experience.
Latias-Mega (F) @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Stored Power
- Recover
- Calm Mind
Keldeo-Resolute @ Expert Belt
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Hidden Power [Electric]
build a team around this core ctc? (actually u can just get rid off keld cuz idgaf about it, hail latias!) just want to see what u can do with cm + 2 atks latias cuz i think it has massive potential, maby the new bw latias who knows? :]
yea I noticed that too; replacing Sashchomp with Sashtar is the quick n ez fix to that problem. It also makes Bisharp a tad redundant (unless you're CTing stall), but it allows you to throw on something like Talonflame to switch in to MSableye and better take on what I like to call "HO breakers", ie Greninja, Mega Lopunny, and Mega Sceptile.
stored power is used as this allows latias to break through everything psyshock does, but also beating bulkier steel types + being a stronger move than dragon pulse vs neutral targets at +2. im sure u know this, but stored power increases in power with ur boosts and is therefor a much stronger option than psyshock due to latias great bulk as that allows it to set up easier to take andvantage off stored power.
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