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Resource SV UU DLC 2 Viability Rankings- Update at Post #281
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Gonna make some noms to get the ball rolling
UR -> A
Pretty great offensively as its fast speed lets it naturally outspeed tornadus and threaten it for big damage with triple axel. Can struggle with coverage as it wants all of flower trick, knock off, u-turn, low kick, t-axel and spikes but can still get work done. Rabia explained it better, so Imma keep this short.
UR -> A-
Rillaboom is not only a great mon in its own right (stop using passive taunt sets and start running a bit more offensive sets), but it also enables a ton of degenerate shit. Just a generally good pokemon that may or may not be banned.
UR -> C
Uhh, stall exists ig? Idk man, watch this rise to OU in like three months and RU missing out on another mon.
C -> UR
See above mon.
B- -> B+/A-
With an actual pokemon in the tier, hawlucha becomes a lot more dangerous. It also benefits a lot more from a defense boost in grassy terrain due to its ability to take priority hits from lokix much easier. Just a general rise to refelect rillaboom being better, either a bit lower then rilla since rilla can work on other teams or at the same rank.
A+ -> B+
Okay, so IDT zarude is completely horrible and outclassed by meowscarada. Setup sets are still superior to meowscarada, as meow doesn't have bulk up, recovery or SD. But pivot sets are just much inferior to meow with no protean, no spikes and no triple axel. Scarf meow is also a lot faster, which is really nice. I think B+ is a good rank to start it at and then we can see if its better/worse then there.
B+ -> A-
Honestly, clodsire has felt really great this meta. Unaware can shut down a lot of setup sweepers you see rn while water absorb beats the broken greninja and the not broken keldeo. Poison jab I've found is nice in order to beat pokemon such as taunt jugulis and tera taunt heatran. In general, its matchup spread I feel is really good rn.
B- -> B
Not going to nom it any higher since I haven't personally used it, but comfey is better with rillaboom dropping, allowing CM sets to be a lot more destructive. Priority in general is really nice in this meta so having that is another bonus.
UR -> C
Weavile leaving? Tinkaton leaving? Rillaboom dropping? Hawlucha getting better? Yeah, get this mon onto the VR. Every shift, this mon gets better. Genuinelly shocked it isn't ranked. If you want reasonings, go to my post here to see more. Oh, also it can work on offense, particularly sand which patches up the grass type weakness, especially to rillaboom, pretty nicely.
UR -> APretty great offensively as its fast speed lets it naturally outspeed tornadus and threaten it for big damage with triple axel. Can struggle with coverage as it wants all of flower trick, knock off, u-turn, low kick, t-axel and spikes but can still get work done. Rabia explained it better, so Imma keep this short.
UR -> A-Rillaboom is not only a great mon in its own right (stop using passive taunt sets and start running a bit more offensive sets), but it also enables a ton of degenerate shit. Just a generally good pokemon that may or may not be banned.
UR -> C Uhh, stall exists ig? Idk man, watch this rise to OU in like three months and RU missing out on another mon.
C -> URSee above mon.
B- -> B+/A-With an actual pokemon in the tier, hawlucha becomes a lot more dangerous. It also benefits a lot more from a defense boost in grassy terrain due to its ability to take priority hits from lokix much easier. Just a general rise to refelect rillaboom being better, either a bit lower then rilla since rilla can work on other teams or at the same rank.
A+ -> B+Okay, so IDT zarude is completely horrible and outclassed by meowscarada. Setup sets are still superior to meowscarada, as meow doesn't have bulk up, recovery or SD. But pivot sets are just much inferior to meow with no protean, no spikes and no triple axel. Scarf meow is also a lot faster, which is really nice. I think B+ is a good rank to start it at and then we can see if its better/worse then there.
B+ -> A-Honestly, clodsire has felt really great this meta. Unaware can shut down a lot of setup sweepers you see rn while water absorb beats the broken greninja and the not broken keldeo. Poison jab I've found is nice in order to beat pokemon such as taunt jugulis and tera taunt heatran. In general, its matchup spread I feel is really good rn.
B- -> BNot going to nom it any higher since I haven't personally used it, but comfey is better with rillaboom dropping, allowing CM sets to be a lot more destructive. Priority in general is really nice in this meta so having that is another bonus.
UR -> CWeavile leaving? Tinkaton leaving? Rillaboom dropping? Hawlucha getting better? Yeah, get this mon onto the VR. Every shift, this mon gets better. Genuinelly shocked it isn't ranked. If you want reasonings, go to my post here to see more. Oh, also it can work on offense, particularly sand which patches up the grass type weakness, especially to rillaboom, pretty nicely.
- Zarude hasnt ran pivot sets since SD sets have popped up, zarude is still a good mon and dropping it cuz a set that hasnt been used fell out of favor isnt one of themGonna make some noms to get the ball rolling
Pretty great offensively as its fast speed lets it naturally outspeed tornadus and threaten it for big damage with triple axel. Can struggle with coverage as it wants all of flower trick, knock off, u-turn, low kick, t-axel and spikes but can still get work done. Rabia explained it better, so Imma keep this short.
Rillaboom is not only a great mon in its own right (stop using passive taunt sets and start running a bit more offensive sets), but it also enables a ton of degenerate shit. Just a generally good pokemon that may or may not be banned.
With an actual pokemon in the tier, hawlucha becomes a lot more dangerous. It also benefits a lot more from a defense boost in grassy terrain due to its ability to take priority hits from lokix much easier. Just a general rise to refelect rillaboom being better, either a bit lower then rilla since rilla can work on other teams or at the same rank.
Okay, so IDT zarude is completely horrible and outclassed by meowscarada. Setup sets are still superior to meowscarada, as meow doesn't have bulk up, recovery or SD. But pivot sets are just much inferior to meow with no protean, no spikes and no triple axel. Scarf meow is also a lot faster, which is really nice. I think B+ is a good rank to start it at and then we can see if its better/worse then there.
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I honestly think Hawlucha should be A/A+. Rillaboom is a solid mon in its own right having strong priority and grassy terrain support is valuable even outside of grassy seed unburden, so it's a lot less strenuous on team building than running Indeedee who is basically only used in psychic spam teams. On top of that with the defense boost it's pretty difficult to revenge kill with most priority, unless you've got a good amount of chip on it already or multiple CC drops it's probably going to live pretty much any priority. If this thing can come in on the right pokemon and just get one free turn to set up an SD it can be extremely difficult to stop.Gonna make some noms to get the ball rolling
Pretty great offensively as its fast speed lets it naturally outspeed tornadus and threaten it for big damage with triple axel. Can struggle with coverage as it wants all of flower trick, knock off, u-turn, low kick, t-axel and spikes but can still get work done. Rabia explained it better, so Imma keep this short.
Rillaboom is not only a great mon in its own right (stop using passive taunt sets and start running a bit more offensive sets), but it also enables a ton of degenerate shit. Just a generally good pokemon that may or may not be banned.
Uhh, stall exists ig? Idk man, watch this rise to OU in like three months and RU missing out on another mon.
See above mon.
With an actual pokemon in the tier, hawlucha becomes a lot more dangerous. It also benefits a lot more from a defense boost in grassy terrain due to its ability to take priority hits from lokix much easier. Just a general rise to refelect rillaboom being better, either a bit lower then rilla since rilla can work on other teams or at the same rank.
Okay, so IDT zarude is completely horrible and outclassed by meowscarada. Setup sets are still superior to meowscarada, as meow doesn't have bulk up, recovery or SD. But pivot sets are just much inferior to meow with no protean, no spikes and no triple axel. Scarf meow is also a lot faster, which is really nice. I think B+ is a good rank to start it at and then we can see if its better/worse then there.
Honestly, clodsire has felt really great this meta. Unaware can shut down a lot of setup sweepers you see rn while water absorb beats the broken greninja and the not broken keldeo. Poison jab I've found is nice in order to beat pokemon such as taunt jugulis and tera taunt heatran. In general, its matchup spread I feel is really good rn.
Not going to nom it any higher since I haven't personally used it, but comfey is better with rillaboom dropping, allowing CM sets to be a lot more destructive. Priority in general is really nice in this meta so having that is another bonus.
Weavile leaving? Tinkaton leaving? Rillaboom dropping? Hawlucha getting better? Yeah, get this mon onto the VR. Every shift, this mon gets better. Genuinelly shocked it isn't ranked. If you want reasonings, go to my post here to see more. Oh, also it can work on offense, particularly sand which patches up the grass type weakness, especially to rillaboom, pretty nicely.
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Well, if you want a grass/dark type, you will be choosing meowscarada most of the time. And Band sets are much more immediate breakers compared to zarude, which does impact SD sets to somewhat of a degree. Meow dropping does impact zarude, as you do need to consider which one to use since they do overlap a bit, so it should drop because of that. B+ as I stated, is a good starting point for it.
Bro, that does not matter for the placement. I personally do think that hawlucha should be the one getting the axe, but idk why you are talking about this here. This is the viability rankings, if you think rilla should not be banned, go talk about it in the metagame discussion thread
Right, forgot the discussion was in the othe rthread..
even if it was slightly worse because of some competition, dropping it a full rank (A+ -> B+) is is really a hard sell when your argument is that set up sets are superior to Meow but pivot sets are inferior, but when pivot is less common on it to begin with this doesn’t really have a much impact, certainly not enough to drop it that low. Zarude can contribute defensive utility that it can use since it has good natural bulk for an offensive Pokémon while meowscarada lacks this due to its frailty and hazard vulnerability. Which makes it harder to position.
Meow is great, don’t get me wrong but Zarude is too.
--> A: one of the big victims of this shift --> A-: this mon is almost as big of a terrorist as nico harrison is with the dallas mavericks
-> A-: this mon should also be placed on terrorism watch as long as rillaboom is here. speaking of which: --> A: THE KINGPIN OF ALL THINGS EVILManaphy should be a tier below Lucha imo, it's speed tier makes it a lot easier to revenge kill with any scarfer or naturally faster Pokemon like Meow or Ogerpon. Also why do you have Excadrill down a whole tier? I get Rillaboom with grassy terrain hurts its eq power, but it still gets high horsepower if thats an issue. Am I just missing something here?
My bad I didnt know Rilla got banned, Lucha probably B tier as now its back to only being on specific terrain teams.
Alrighty its been a good while and since I've made it to top 3 of UU Masters I think I'd like to share some noms
-> A
Fast, strong, threatens most of the tier, but a bit held back by the fact that its kinda weird to slot. A grass that doesn't check Excadrill at all is bound to cause some issues for the team its on. I've felt that it needs to be slotted with skarm a lot which can be indredibly janky due to the fact that the two dont really synergize very much at all. Someone else could prove me wrong though because the mon itself feels a little bit busted.
-> B
This thing being pretty decent has honestly been a pleasant surprise, its a little janky to use sometimes but its typing nets it a better matchup into some hazard setters like Cobalion and Skarmory compared to Excadrill. Its access to Knock Off is also quite useful as it allows it to spin on Skarmory without taking hazard chip, as well as punish other switch ins like Torn and the Grasses. Its also seen a decent bit of usage in UU Masters and UUPL so I think its worth separating it from the B- crowd.
-> B
Harc has seen a pretty decent improvement in the post-Quaquaval society, while still a bit weird to slot it clicks pretty well if you can fit it. It does still have problem matchups in Keldeo and Slowking+Cobalion, but the former is much more manageable than Quaquaval was while the ladder is far less common than it once was. Its also a pretty decent rocker if you end up in a situation where you cant fit them elsewhere, and punishes the currently popular Skeledirge quite well
Speaking of which...
-> A+
Honestly this is mostly just as a response to the fact that it feels damn near impossible to make a consistent non-HO without this mon due to how its the only decent Unaware guy we have. Its also just a nice blend of defensive sponge and offensive wincon so even if it wasnt obnoxious to not use its still a very good mon to have on a team as an anti-cheese option.
and lastly (more of a half joking nom)...
-> B/B+
Rilla ban will not save us from this demon, mark my words.
-> AFast, strong, threatens most of the tier, but a bit held back by the fact that its kinda weird to slot. A grass that doesn't check Excadrill at all is bound to cause some issues for the team its on. I've felt that it needs to be slotted with skarm a lot which can be indredibly janky due to the fact that the two dont really synergize very much at all. Someone else could prove me wrong though because the mon itself feels a little bit busted.
-> BThis thing being pretty decent has honestly been a pleasant surprise, its a little janky to use sometimes but its typing nets it a better matchup into some hazard setters like Cobalion and Skarmory compared to Excadrill. Its access to Knock Off is also quite useful as it allows it to spin on Skarmory without taking hazard chip, as well as punish other switch ins like Torn and the Grasses. Its also seen a decent bit of usage in UU Masters and UUPL so I think its worth separating it from the B- crowd.
-> B Harc has seen a pretty decent improvement in the post-Quaquaval society, while still a bit weird to slot it clicks pretty well if you can fit it. It does still have problem matchups in Keldeo and Slowking+Cobalion, but the former is much more manageable than Quaquaval was while the ladder is far less common than it once was. Its also a pretty decent rocker if you end up in a situation where you cant fit them elsewhere, and punishes the currently popular Skeledirge quite well
Speaking of which...
-> A+Honestly this is mostly just as a response to the fact that it feels damn near impossible to make a consistent non-HO without this mon due to how its the only decent Unaware guy we have. Its also just a nice blend of defensive sponge and offensive wincon so even if it wasnt obnoxious to not use its still a very good mon to have on a team as an anti-cheese option.
and lastly (more of a half joking nom)...
-> B/B+Rilla ban will not save us from this demon, mark my words.
-> AKeldeo is so goddamn strong
cm sets can run away with certain matchups if you're not careful
vacuum wave is especially crucial for hitting faster threats like Meow or Rockpon
and speaking of Meow,it beats many Keldeo counters like Slowking or Torn
overall,using Keld has been a wonderful experience and it definitely deserves a higher spot
A- It is a great pokemon that can deal with heatran, keldeo and many other threats and can check Excadrill without using grass. It is much bulkier physically than the often-compared mons like Tornadus therian and Latios, and its ability to support the team's pokemon with intimidate is also excellent. Clearly, salamence is a pokemon that deserves to be considered in the metagame, as it can be a natural fit for teams that do not specifically aim to use salamence.
-> SVery often feels like the only way to not lose to meow game in game out (besides skarm, who is far more exploitable and less threatening than tran), and it's the best rocker in the tier bar none. this things mere presence is perhaps the best way teams avoid losing to band meow instantly.
-> AJust voicing my agreement here, one of the better meow checks in the tier (for sets that don't run flower trick - which is most of them as far as I'm aware), and an incredible partner to meow, they cover each others checks incredibly, and can pivot into each other seamlessly
-> BTinkaton is gone (
), not only directly improving gardevoirs matchup into most teams, but also leaving it as one of the better latios checks out there. Healing wish support is also particularly helpful for those giving teammates burnt by heatran or skelerirge a second lease on life.
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Very often feels like the only way to not lose to meow game in game out (besides skarm, who is far more exploitable and less threatening than tran), and it's the best rocker in the tier bar none. this things mere presence is perhaps the best way teams avoid losing to band meow instantly.
Just voicing my agreement here, one of the better meow checks in the tier (for sets that don't run flower trick - which is most of them as far as I'm aware), and an incredible partner to meow, they cover each others checks incredibly, and can pivot into each other seamlessly
Tinkaton is gone (
just a heads up, you formatted the heatran text as being colored white so I can't see it at all on light mode. (no particular stake in the nom, I haven't played since drops)
---> to the VR (B- or B)surprised it's not on the VR already, but I think it's a pretty good threat on HO after using it for a bit
UR -> C
I've been using the funny fish for a good while, and I think it's got some great traits. HO at the moment has had a notable lack of spin blockers ever since Polteageist's ban. Basc-F can be EV'd to take EQ's from excadrill and pull off an agility to outspeed just about all of the unboosted meta and threaten a sweep. Weakness policy can make taking it down harder as you only threaten to make it stronger if you miss a kill. Adaptability boosted hydro pumps and shadow balls are dangerous and ice beam covers the rest of the meta (besides greninja but it gets 2hko'd after rocks.) It overall does pretty decent in the meta while fulfilling a pretty important role for HO to where I think the mon is worth C rank.
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Quick Other Noms
A+ -> A/A-: Still matches up super well into a lot of the tier but faces competition as a Grass/dark.
A- -> A: Lorb sets have continued to do well while Lead sets have been the de facto lead on HO for quite a while. It feels like it's enough of a staple for A rank
B -> B+: Heatran has been doing great post shifts and being the hardest check to it is great. It's great support for many bulkier teams which have also seen improvement post shifts.