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Resource SV OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread
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I have a question, if anyone could help me: moves that force switches (roar, whirlwind, dragon tail, etc) are generally preferrable on faster or slower pokemon?
Since the moves tend to have negative priority, speed wouldn't really factor in. The major thing you see them on are defensive Pokemon that can handle Boosted opponents and have good longevity, since Phazing's (as the moves are nicknamed) most common usage is to force an opponent to switch out and disrupt set-up strategies such as SD or NP boosting stats to sweep teams.
Lowkey could Solgaleo be balanced?
Could it be balanced, maybe. Dark, Fire, Ghost, and Ground are a terrible combination of weaknesses, with seven of the top ten mons on the VR packing SE stab, and an eighth (Kyurem) consistently running Earth Power to offset both its STABs being resisted. Both of Solgaleo's own STAB types are lousy offensively, notably thudding into Kingambit, though Sunsteel Strike and Psychic Fangs are individually good moves. Lastly, 97 Speed isn't slow, but plenty of things can outspeed and deal hefty damage back.
On the flip side, 137/107/89 bulk is outstanding, with this calc being a great example:
252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Solgaleo: 390-458 (81.7 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Solgaleo has 137 Atk and excellent coverage: Close Combat, Earthquake, Flare Blitz, Knock Off, and Stone Edge give an excellent set of options. Full Metal Body blocks Intimidate stat drops, which goes a long way toward making up for the lack of a physical boosting move. 113 SpA is more than usable for catching physically bulky answers, as well; uninvested Thunderbolt is a 3HKO on physically defensive Dondozo, for example, and Solgaleo knows Solar Beam if you wanted to try it on a sun team.
That's not even touching on a very solid support move pool, in case you want to play obnoxious supporter instead of wallbreaker. Gen 9 has seen enough crazy things that I wouldn't reject the possibility that it would settle in as a top-their threat rather than a broken one, but also would need some amazing odds to bet in its favor.
On the flip side, 137/107/89 bulk is outstanding, with this calc being a great example:
252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Solgaleo: 390-458 (81.7 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Solgaleo has 137 Atk and excellent coverage: Close Combat, Earthquake, Flare Blitz, Knock Off, and Stone Edge give an excellent set of options. Full Metal Body blocks Intimidate stat drops, which goes a long way toward making up for the lack of a physical boosting move. 113 SpA is more than usable for catching physically bulky answers, as well; uninvested Thunderbolt is a 3HKO on physically defensive Dondozo, for example, and Solgaleo knows Solar Beam if you wanted to try it on a sun team.
That's not even touching on a very solid support move pool, in case you want to play obnoxious supporter instead of wallbreaker. Gen 9 has seen enough crazy things that I wouldn't reject the possibility that it would settle in as a top-their threat rather than a broken one, but also would need some amazing odds to bet in its favor.
no.
fantastic bst and decent distribution
good enough coverage to cook half of the top mons
great access to setup with calm mind, agility, cosmic power, idef
reliable healing in morning sun
probably best used as a bulky support set with knock, sunsteel, morning sun, and teleport
137 base attack is not a joke
its still a good tera user too, with options like tera fight/tera ground/tera fire to eliminate gambit
also a cool set you can use by taking inspiration from uubers is a trick room teleport setter to safely get in monsters like gambit and ursa
okay what about lugia ?
252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Multiscale Lugia: 72-85 (17.3 - 20.4%) -- possible 5HKO
(with scale active)
252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lugia: 144-170 (34.6 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(no scale)
0 SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Darkrai: 108-127 (38.4 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
lmao bro this this is even more dumb than i thought
mb for asking
what about Giratina. i know he was in the conversation for unban
Some top guys have been using a Tera ghost + fire spin + taunt set to lure in walls like Blissey and remove them. I don’t remember the specifics though.
the stall breaker set is basically an instant 6-0 smash against stall, but boots 4a sets and specs could be an interesting choice for a breaker
however specs is basically outclassed by other nightmarish special attacking monsters like darkrai, walking wakerous, iron valiante
4a +boots is interesting due to good coverage + water absorb beating ogerpon and volcanion having amazing damaging powers even without a boosting item due to the massive 120 bp of steam eruption and volcanions base 130spatk, but its really really weak to knock off and is insanely slow to the point of losing to major threats that it otherwise would destroy
assault vest is a really cool idea but horribly dies to any form of hazards and is generally a more matchup dependent option
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2142484167
Sandy Shocks @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Tera Blast
- Body Press
Can you guys recommend a better mon with the same anti-stall role as shown in the example replay in low ladder? I think I don't have to explain why Max Defense Sandy Shocks is kinda low IQ.
Sandy Shocks @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Tera Blast
- Body Press
Can you guys recommend a better mon with the same anti-stall role as shown in the example replay in low ladder? I think I don't have to explain why Max Defense Sandy Shocks is kinda low IQ.
Does Psychic Noise prevent the Pokemon from doing something to heal, or from being healed at all? For example, can a Psychic-Noise hit on-the-switch prevent a Pokemon from recovering HP through something another team member did like Leech Seed or Wish Passing?
I’d say it’s best off on bulky-offense or offense outright. It compresses hazard stifling (aside from Samu-H) with checking of Zamazenta and one-time checking of special attackers like Kyurem. This type of role compression is great if there’s a shorter game where something is only called upon once or twice over, but in the long haul it’ll end up worn out even with Draining Kiss.
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Does anyone know why support for restricting Tera seems to have decreased recently, according to the tiering surveys? In the last suspect, there was strong support for revealing all Tera types at team preview, and several current Uber Pokemon would be less broken if Tera types were revealed at team preview.
Tera Preview died out because the more people played, the more they realized it doesn’t really fix the issues they may have or those issues aren’t issues for them anymore.
People get to know what possible types are likely just by playing more, but being able to play around the sequences is what’s most crucial, which is a constant regardless of preview or not. Tera Preview also leads to awkward interactions galore.
not this gen where it can change its type lmao. Like in another gen where its locked into its type maybe though
Like the only way to fix the issues with tera is to ban it all together (Which won't happen unless a scorched earth approach to tiering is needed if things are still bad after enough bans which would cause chaos and would essentially be a reset.) or leave it be.