Woops thought it had 40 hp and spe for w/e reason
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Stat Switch [Azumarill+Regice Banned]
- Thread starter Snaquaza
- Start date
OH MY GOD BLISSEY
Blissey (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Double-Edge
- Ice Punch
- Soft-Boiled
New Stats: 10/255/255/75/135/55
Jeez, Blissey gets WAY too much attack and defense, while taking away from his Hp. It doesn't matter as much now, though. Blissey looks great in this tier
Blissey (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Double-Edge
- Ice Punch
- Soft-Boiled
New Stats: 10/255/255/75/135/55
Jeez, Blissey gets WAY too much attack and defense, while taking away from his Hp. It doesn't matter as much now, though. Blissey looks great in this tier
Note that blissey no longer has the hp for double edge, and in many cases chansey will be better due to being able to live a hit or two.
Well, Return is also always an option anyways (I probably should've put that in my post). Chansey could also work too. He sounds interesting to use in this tier
So with Gen 7 comming out today, I decided to post the new stats of the mons. Includes Alolan-Formes and the Beasts (I know it's not even possible to play with Gen 7 in Showdown yet but whatevs)
Now onto the beats:
Alolan:
Decidueye trades it's attack for Speed. That's neat actually. 78/70/75/100/100/107
Incineroar is the first of many Gen 7 who trade Attack for Speed. Not sure if a Special set is viable. 95/60/90/80/90/115
Primarina is pretty much useless. Trades Sp. Atk for speed but has crap offenses now. 80/74/74/60/116/126
Toucannon is fast and has crap offenses (Get used to this phrase.) 80/60/75/75/75/120 (Uuurgh so close to being good. If only Speed was 75)
Gumshoos becomes the same as the 3 above. 88/45/60/55/60/110
Vikavolt had a lot of complains about being slow... 77/70/90/43/75/145
Crabominable is fast too. 97/43/77/62/67/132
Oricorio is actually pretty decent. Trades Sp. Atk for both offenses and for def. 75/98/98/70/98/93
Ribombee becomes physical out of the blue. 60/124/60/95/70/55
Lyncanroc (Day) becomes Special... That's stupid. 75/55/65/115/65/112
Lyncanrock (Night) Also does. 85/55/75/115/75/82
Wishiwashi trades HP for attack and Defense. 20/45/45/25/25/40
Wishiwashi (School) I'M LAUGHING SO MUCH RIGHT NOW. 30/30 offenses. 45/30/130/30/130/140
Toxapek is fast but as resistant as a potato. 50/63/35/53/142/152
Mudsdale brings back the Attack-->Speed trade. 100/35/100/55/85/125
Araquanid looses Special Bulk for Speed. 68/70/92/50/42/132
Lurantis Is Serperior 2.0. 70/45/90/80/90/105
Shiinotic also looses Special Bulk for Speed. 60/45/80/90/30/100
Salazzle is GREAT. Has less speed but more bulk to make use of Corroison and still has high offense. 68/64/117/111/117/60
Bewear is Special. If only it had at the lest plus 5 in Sp Atk at the least... 120/55/80/125/60/60
Tsareena is as well. 72/50/98/120/98/72
Comfey trades HP with Sp Def. 110/52/90/82/51/100
Oranguru suddenly is fast and mixed. Actually I like it. 90/110/80/90/60/110
Passimian is Special. 100/40/90/120/60/80
Golisopod is awesome. Has now hella tons of speed to abuse. 75/125/40/60/90/140
Palossand follows ths same pattern. 85/75/35/100/75/110
Pyukumuku gets trolled hard. Is fast and has no defenses at all. 55/60/5/30/5/130
Silvally doesn't change
Minior (Shield) is quite good offensivelly. 100/100/60/100/60/100. However...
Minior (Core) HOLLYHECK THIS THING IS SO GOOD 120/100/120/100/120/60
Komala is quite bulky. Can't be poisoned/Burned either but doesn't have recovery (Not even Rest). 115/65/115/75/95/115
Turtonator trades Def for Speed. 60/78/36/91/85/135
Togedemaru is what it should've always been: Special. 65/40/63/98/73/96
Mimikyu has lots of HP. 105/90/80/50/55/96
Bruxish has hp. 105/68/70/70/70/92
Drampa is the fastest grandpa you know. 78/60/85/36/91/135
Dhelmise is fasty too 70/40/100/86/90/131
Komo-o has hp. 125/110/75/100/105/85
Koko trades Speed for HP (All tapus change for HP) 130/115/85/95/75/70
Lele trades Sp. Atk 130/85/75/70/115/95
Bulu trades Attack 130/70/115/85/95/75
Fini trades Sp Def 130/75/115/95/70/85
Solgaleo trades HP and Atk for Sp Def 89/89/107/113/137/97
Lunala similarly trades Special Attack and HP for Def 89/113/137/89/107/97
Necrozma has speed but less sp atk 91/107/101/79/89/127
Magearna looses Sp Atk but has speed. Shift Gear? 80/95/115/65/115/130
Marshadow looses Atk and Speed for... Defense. 90/80/125/90/90/125
Incineroar is the first of many Gen 7 who trade Attack for Speed. Not sure if a Special set is viable. 95/60/90/80/90/115
Primarina is pretty much useless. Trades Sp. Atk for speed but has crap offenses now. 80/74/74/60/116/126
Toucannon is fast and has crap offenses (Get used to this phrase.) 80/60/75/75/75/120 (Uuurgh so close to being good. If only Speed was 75)
Gumshoos becomes the same as the 3 above. 88/45/60/55/60/110
Vikavolt had a lot of complains about being slow... 77/70/90/43/75/145
Crabominable is fast too. 97/43/77/62/67/132
Oricorio is actually pretty decent. Trades Sp. Atk for both offenses and for def. 75/98/98/70/98/93
Ribombee becomes physical out of the blue. 60/124/60/95/70/55
Lyncanroc (Day) becomes Special... That's stupid. 75/55/65/115/65/112
Lyncanrock (Night) Also does. 85/55/75/115/75/82
Wishiwashi trades HP for attack and Defense. 20/45/45/25/25/40
Wishiwashi (School) I'M LAUGHING SO MUCH RIGHT NOW. 30/30 offenses. 45/30/130/30/130/140
Toxapek is fast but as resistant as a potato. 50/63/35/53/142/152
Mudsdale brings back the Attack-->Speed trade. 100/35/100/55/85/125
Araquanid looses Special Bulk for Speed. 68/70/92/50/42/132
Lurantis Is Serperior 2.0. 70/45/90/80/90/105
Shiinotic also looses Special Bulk for Speed. 60/45/80/90/30/100
Salazzle is GREAT. Has less speed but more bulk to make use of Corroison and still has high offense. 68/64/117/111/117/60
Bewear is Special. If only it had at the lest plus 5 in Sp Atk at the least... 120/55/80/125/60/60
Tsareena is as well. 72/50/98/120/98/72
Comfey trades HP with Sp Def. 110/52/90/82/51/100
Oranguru suddenly is fast and mixed. Actually I like it. 90/110/80/90/60/110
Passimian is Special. 100/40/90/120/60/80
Golisopod is awesome. Has now hella tons of speed to abuse. 75/125/40/60/90/140
Palossand follows ths same pattern. 85/75/35/100/75/110
Pyukumuku gets trolled hard. Is fast and has no defenses at all. 55/60/5/30/5/130
Silvally doesn't change
Minior (Shield) is quite good offensivelly. 100/100/60/100/60/100. However...
Minior (Core) HOLLYHECK THIS THING IS SO GOOD 120/100/120/100/120/60
Komala is quite bulky. Can't be poisoned/Burned either but doesn't have recovery (Not even Rest). 115/65/115/75/95/115
Turtonator trades Def for Speed. 60/78/36/91/85/135
Togedemaru is what it should've always been: Special. 65/40/63/98/73/96
Mimikyu has lots of HP. 105/90/80/50/55/96
Bruxish has hp. 105/68/70/70/70/92
Drampa is the fastest grandpa you know. 78/60/85/36/91/135
Dhelmise is fasty too 70/40/100/86/90/131
Komo-o has hp. 125/110/75/100/105/85
Koko trades Speed for HP (All tapus change for HP) 130/115/85/95/75/70
Lele trades Sp. Atk 130/85/75/70/115/95
Bulu trades Attack 130/70/115/85/95/75
Fini trades Sp Def 130/75/115/95/70/85
Solgaleo trades HP and Atk for Sp Def 89/89/107/113/137/97
Lunala similarly trades Special Attack and HP for Def 89/113/137/89/107/97
Necrozma has speed but less sp atk 91/107/101/79/89/127
Magearna looses Sp Atk but has speed. Shift Gear? 80/95/115/65/115/130
Marshadow looses Atk and Speed for... Defense. 90/80/125/90/90/125
Now onto the beats:
Nihilego swaps it's defenses. 109/53/131/127/47/103
Buzzwole swaps it's physicals with it's specials. 107/53/53/139/139/79
Pheromosa is now hella bulky and still offensive. 71/137/151/137/151/37
Xurkitree is also bulky 83/89/173/71/173/83
Celesteela becomes fast 97/101/103/61/101/107
Kartana is weirdly bulky. 59/31/131/59/181/109
Guzzlord is fast and that's about it. 43/101/53/97/53/223
Buzzwole swaps it's physicals with it's specials. 107/53/53/139/139/79
Pheromosa is now hella bulky and still offensive. 71/137/151/137/151/37
Xurkitree is also bulky 83/89/173/71/173/83
Celesteela becomes fast 97/101/103/61/101/107
Kartana is weirdly bulky. 59/31/131/59/181/109
Guzzlord is fast and that's about it. 43/101/53/97/53/223
Alolan:
Blah. Do it later.
Buzzwole got screwed even more than Lycanroc because its special movepool is Round and Hidden Power. Round and Hidden Power. Anyway, Pyukumuku getting faster is a blessing in disguise since now it can properly make use of Innards Out.
Congrats for that. But, there's few things :
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Minior (Core) keeps the HP stat of the original Minior. It won't be as broken as expected.
Komala have Wish for healing, that should give it some utility.
For Alolan forms, Alolan Persian have 115 Def. With Fur Coat and 252+ EVs, this thing have a deadly 722 defense. This looks nice.
If this were Gen 6, then yes Minior-Core and Wishiwashi-School would share the same base HP as their normal forms. However, we now have precedent for a Pokémon changing base HP between formes mid-battle: Zygarde Complete Forme has 216 base HP to Zygarde 50%'s base 108. When gaining base HP mid-battle, the Pokémon restores HP equal to the amount of max HP it gains.
The question is whether we need to apply this mechanics change to Mega Evolutions as well, making them not inherit the base form's HP and making HP a swappable stat for them.
Edit: That said, Minior changing max HP between forms would cause a problem with its mechanics. At the end of the turn, if Minior's HP is at or below 50% and it's in Shield form, it switches to Core form. At the end of the turn, if Minior's HP is above 50% and it's in Core form, it switches to Shield form. So if changing to Core form increases its HP such that it ends up above half, either it's alternating forms every turn or it gets stuck in an infinite loop of form switching.
Edit 2:
Alola Raticate trades Special Defence for Special Attack: 75/71/70/80/40/77
Alola Raichu trades Speed for Defence. 60/85/110/95/85/50
I bet it would still be fun with Surge Surfer in Stat Switch Doubles if that were a thing.
Alola Sandslash trades Defence for Special Attack. 75/100/25/120/65/65
Alola Ninetales trades Speed for Attack. 73/109/75/81/100/67
Alola Dugtrio trades Speed for HP. 110/100/60/50/70/35
Alola Persian trades Speed for both Attack and Defence. 65/115/115/75/65/60
Obligatory reminder that this thing gets Fur Coat. And that Technician Bite or Feint Attack off of 115 base Attack might actually hurt.
Alola Golem trades Defence for Speed. 80/120/45/55/65/130
Not an Alola Form, but Dodrio now trades both Attack and Speed for HP, Sp. Atk, and Sp. Def. In Gen 6, it only traded Attack. 110/60/70/110/110/60 (old Stat Switch spread: 110/60/70/110/110/100)
Alola Muk trades both HP and Attack for Speed. 50/50/75/65/100/105
Alola Exeggutor trades Special Attack for Speed. 95/105/85/45/75/125
Its base 105 attack is still pretty usable offensively though.
Alola Marowak trades Defence for Speed. 60/80/45/50/80/110
Also not an Alola Form but Stat Switch Swellow is nerfed. It now trades Speed for only Sp. Def, instead of both Sp. Def and Sp. Atk. 60/85/60/75/125/50 (old Stat Switch spread was 60/85/60/125/125/50)
Again not an Alola Form but Stat Switch Masquerain is different. It used to trade Sp. Def for both Attack and Speed, but now trades Sp. Atk for Attack instead. 70/100/62/60/82/80 (old Stat Switch spread was 70/82/62/80/60/82)
Stat Switch Delcatty is buffed. Now trades only Speed for Sp. Atk and Sp. Def instead of trading both Speed and HP. 70/65/65/90/90/55 (old Stat Switch spread was 55/65/65/70/70/55)
Stat Switch Volbeat is different. Now trades both Speed and Sp. Def for Sp. Atk, instead of just Speed. 65/73/75/85/47/47 (old Stat Switch spread was 65/73/55/85/75/47)
Stat Switch Illumise is different. Now trades both Speed and Sp. Def for Attack instead of just Speed. 65/85/75/73/47/47 (old Stat Switch spread was 65/85/55/73/75/47)
Stat Switch Cryogonal is buffed. Now trades Sp. Def for both Attack and Defence instead of just Defence. 80/135/135/95/50/105 (old Stat Switch spread was 70/50/135/95/30/105)
Alola Raichu trades Speed for Defence. 60/85/110/95/85/50
I bet it would still be fun with Surge Surfer in Stat Switch Doubles if that were a thing.
Alola Sandslash trades Defence for Special Attack. 75/100/25/120/65/65
Alola Ninetales trades Speed for Attack. 73/109/75/81/100/67
Alola Dugtrio trades Speed for HP. 110/100/60/50/70/35
Alola Persian trades Speed for both Attack and Defence. 65/115/115/75/65/60
Obligatory reminder that this thing gets Fur Coat. And that Technician Bite or Feint Attack off of 115 base Attack might actually hurt.
Alola Golem trades Defence for Speed. 80/120/45/55/65/130
Not an Alola Form, but Dodrio now trades both Attack and Speed for HP, Sp. Atk, and Sp. Def. In Gen 6, it only traded Attack. 110/60/70/110/110/60 (old Stat Switch spread: 110/60/70/110/110/100)
Alola Muk trades both HP and Attack for Speed. 50/50/75/65/100/105
Alola Exeggutor trades Special Attack for Speed. 95/105/85/45/75/125
Its base 105 attack is still pretty usable offensively though.
Alola Marowak trades Defence for Speed. 60/80/45/50/80/110
Also not an Alola Form but Stat Switch Swellow is nerfed. It now trades Speed for only Sp. Def, instead of both Sp. Def and Sp. Atk. 60/85/60/75/125/50 (old Stat Switch spread was 60/85/60/125/125/50)
Again not an Alola Form but Stat Switch Masquerain is different. It used to trade Sp. Def for both Attack and Speed, but now trades Sp. Atk for Attack instead. 70/100/62/60/82/80 (old Stat Switch spread was 70/82/62/80/60/82)
Stat Switch Delcatty is buffed. Now trades only Speed for Sp. Atk and Sp. Def instead of trading both Speed and HP. 70/65/65/90/90/55 (old Stat Switch spread was 55/65/65/70/70/55)
Stat Switch Volbeat is different. Now trades both Speed and Sp. Def for Sp. Atk, instead of just Speed. 65/73/75/85/47/47 (old Stat Switch spread was 65/73/55/85/75/47)
Stat Switch Illumise is different. Now trades both Speed and Sp. Def for Attack instead of just Speed. 65/85/75/73/47/47 (old Stat Switch spread was 65/85/55/73/75/47)
Stat Switch Cryogonal is buffed. Now trades Sp. Def for both Attack and Defence instead of just Defence. 80/135/135/95/50/105 (old Stat Switch spread was 70/50/135/95/30/105)
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Thanks for the fixes then.
But even then, Core Minior sounds insane. 100/120/120 bulk with 100/100 offenses is great. 60 Speed is bad but you have Shell Smash and Bulk to bring you back to the game.
Also poor boy Type Null gets the most trolled by all of this. Changes from an impressive 95/95/95/95/95/59 to just 59/59/59/59/59/95. Rip.
But even then, Core Minior sounds insane. 100/120/120 bulk with 100/100 offenses is great. 60 Speed is bad but you have Shell Smash and Bulk to bring you back to the game.
Also poor boy Type Null gets the most trolled by all of this. Changes from an impressive 95/95/95/95/95/59 to just 59/59/59/59/59/95. Rip.
Since we lack a Gen 7 thread...
Allow me to showcase the amazing capacity of the Pokémon known to English-speakers as Persian, more particularly its variant from the series of islands known as Alola, to take powerful attacks of a physical nature and not only survive, but continue fighting!
252+ Atk Chansey Return vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 109-130 (35.9 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (This is from a spectacular 250 base physical attacking power, mind you!)
252+ Atk Regice Brick Break vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 90-108 (29.7 - 35.6%) -- 24.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Regice Brick Break vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 136-160 (44.8 - 52.8%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO
However, this does not necessitate a removal from the fighting environment. Even with an Assault Vest, an Alolan Persian is susceptible to special attacks and to status!
/unposh
Persian-Alola is really good, as you can see from the posh calcs above. However, it lacks reliable recovery, and its vulnerability to Special moves means it's probably going to be running an Assault Vest anyway since it needs what it can get, so it either has a Wish-using partner or gets worn down quickly - which is what Komala is for!
115/65/115/75/95/115 isn't TOO great on paper, but Komala is the highest HP Wish user that can grab momentum in Stat Switch... and it gets Rapid Spin, and incredible trait for something that will be switching into things a lot. In fact, the only other Pokémon with such a combination are Smeargle and Spinda, who lack anything near Komala's HP. Its ability, Comatose, also renders it immune to status! These traits make it an incredible supporter! ...or at least a pretty good one.
Allow me to showcase the amazing capacity of the Pokémon known to English-speakers as Persian, more particularly its variant from the series of islands known as Alola, to take powerful attacks of a physical nature and not only survive, but continue fighting!
252+ Atk Chansey Return vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 109-130 (35.9 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (This is from a spectacular 250 base physical attacking power, mind you!)
252+ Atk Regice Brick Break vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 90-108 (29.7 - 35.6%) -- 24.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Regice Brick Break vs. 128 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Persian: 136-160 (44.8 - 52.8%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO
However, this does not necessitate a removal from the fighting environment. Even with an Assault Vest, an Alolan Persian is susceptible to special attacks and to status!
/unposh
Persian-Alola is really good, as you can see from the posh calcs above. However, it lacks reliable recovery, and its vulnerability to Special moves means it's probably going to be running an Assault Vest anyway since it needs what it can get, so it either has a Wish-using partner or gets worn down quickly - which is what Komala is for!
115/65/115/75/95/115 isn't TOO great on paper, but Komala is the highest HP Wish user that can grab momentum in Stat Switch... and it gets Rapid Spin, and incredible trait for something that will be switching into things a lot. In fact, the only other Pokémon with such a combination are Smeargle and Spinda, who lack anything near Komala's HP. Its ability, Comatose, also renders it immune to status! These traits make it an incredible supporter! ...or at least a pretty good one.