Suspect STABmons Suspect 6 - Electro Shot

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Electro Shot Suspect

With the release of DLC 2 Duraludon's new evolution, Archaludon was granted a brand-new move in Electro Shot which is in essence, an improved Meteor Beam that is not only 100% accurate but works instantaneously under rain. When granted to all Electrics, Electro Shot gave these Pokémon a potent tool to both pressure, or knock out, and setup simultaneously, not all that disimilar to Torch Song but massively more powerful due to it being 130 BP on top of the special attack gain occurring first. Users ranged from the native user Archaludon to Raging Bolt, and Thundurus-Therian but realistically, virtually any special electric could run this if the former two were banned, such as base Thundurus-incarnate, Sandy Shocks, Zapdos, Raikou, the list goes on and on... Rains effectiveness has thus only improved with its addition and unlike within the Tera STABmons metagame, defensive answers aren't necessarily gonna be able to tank both the Electro Shot itself on switchin or the boosted attacks, henceforth without being able to type change. Thus Electro Shot has been approved for a suspect as its potential gamebreaking power is likely not limited to a scant few abusers.

In contrast, some have argued the move could be dealt with as rain was previously dealt with, namely another Damp Rock ban, however, counterarguments to this state that the abusers only need 1 turn to both attack and setup. On top of this it is even harder to revenge kill these electrics due to Thunderclap having priority. Defensive answers include Pokémon such as Ting-Lu, Tyranitar, and Clodsire, of which Tyranitar is effective at punishing these Pokémon decently well, but often unable to stay in unless it is an uncommon offensively orientated (aka running Accel Rock) set due to coverage moves such as Focus Blast being common on Thundurus-Therian. Even though Pokémon such as Ting-Lu can absorb the initial Electro Shot a similar scenario occurs in which they have to pivot out of Thundurus-therian if defensive and can only reasonably handle it if specially defensive. Raging Bolt whilst seemingly easier to handle, is still an immensely powerful Pokémon capable of 2hko-ing defensive Ting-Lu with the boost of Electro Shot and Booster Energy whilst living whatever Ting-Lu can throw its way if healthy. Clodsire mandates being specially defensive but can handle most common sets by both Raging Bolt and Thundurus-Therian.

Taken as a whole, Electro Shot is something that could easily result in many bans before some semblance of balance is achieved, and with rain always being exceedingly fishy in nature, often decided at team preview we have decided to thus suspect it.


Requirements:
Requirements can be achieved by getting minimum 75 GXE in 25 games on the STABmons ladder. In order to participate in the suspect, you must create a fresh alt (creation date no earlier than 7/7/2024) with the prefix STBEST at the start of the name. When you have obtained the reqs, make sure to post proof of your alt's record (generally a screenshot) in this thread, and if you wish to do so, you can also share your thoughts on the test here.

Voting:
Once the suspect period is over, everyone who has obtained reqs will be tagged. The post will then outline a process of blind voting, which will be clarified once the time arrives. For now, follow the above "Requirements" subheading to ensure that you have posted your reqs correctly. You must post on this thread in order to be tagged in the voting thread, however you do not need to include your vote on this thread.

A super-majority of 60% restrict votes is required for Electro Shot to be restricted.

TL;DR
- Electro Shot will be allowed on ladder
- The minimum GXE requirement is 75 and the minimum game count is 25
- You must ladder on a newly-created alt using the prefix STBEST
- You must post your reqs in this thread, though the voting process will happen in a separate thread. You are not required to state your vote in this thread.
- The suspect test will conclude at 7/21/2024 at 11:59 PM GMT-5
- A restrict vote of 60% is required to restrict Electro Shot in STABmons.
 
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ban, but rain is the real broken here. stuff like skewda is really hard to check now that oger-w, kyurem, and latios is banned
 
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People need to learn a playstyle other than rain. Literally any playstyle, idc which. Half my games were against rain lol.

Anyway I think electro shot is pretty dumb, esp on raging bolt, but most of the rain teams running around are pretty bad so it's hard to be sure. Specially defensive umbrella ting lu gets you free wins though.
 
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Lost 2 due to afking while waiting for a game, regardless, I used Electroshot mostly throughout, tried some weird rain teams like rain balance... every iteration of rain though had Archaludon.

I think rain is fishy as usual but also think Electro Shot is basically a busted version of Torch Song under rain (Torch Song is not broken atm due to the mons that can run it) as it is in essence 50 bp on top of +1 SPA resulting in massively improved damage and though abusable if the opponent has grounds and Tyranitar, the former crumple to coverage and boosted damage the later falls in the face of Focus Blast from Thundurus and Raging Bolt is strong as is with Specs sets annihilating most switchins (Booster Energy as well) and they can afford to run Electro Shot due to poor coverage options. Honestly more and more I think rain in general is just super fishy should be nerfed similar to how we did it pre-tera, a damp rock ban.

Yes, I think rain deserves 2 nerfs personally, Electro Shot restriction and damp rock ban together would heavily effect the potency and fishy nature of rain. Barraskewda is strong too, Thundurus-t probably I as well, Raging Bolt, etc.. Archaludon though is probably the most important member of a rain team and with support capable of both offensive and defensive sets. I personally like running Assault Vest Archaludon as seen below:

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 148 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Electro Shot
- Clanging Scales
- Tachyon Cutter
- Body Press

Really hard to kill, and can setup in two ways whilst providing useful defensive utility. I think even without rain this set would still be good especially with support from a wisher or in tandem with Rillaboom for Grassy Terrain.

Here are some teams I used, they very in quality most of the time I was just using a team I threw together to test how broken Electro Shot / Rain is and how flexible (or inflexible as is the case) the archetype is.

1. https://pokepast.es/d9c49054434233a0 Wanted to use a unique Meloetta meant to handle special targets whilst wish passing to Archaludon.
2. https://pokepast.es/2e14f974d30ed6a7 Wanted to use Sinistcha since it is really good into Barraskewda, Moongeist is also useful into Unaware Clodsires which are good into Thundurus.
3. https://pokepast.es/ecdeb716dcb2b61e
 
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Solid run, was a bit indecisive with teams first but eventually settled on this
:ogerpon-cornerstone: :iron hands: :volcanion: :gholdengo: :sylveon: :iron valiant: I'm doubtful this team is even good but it somehow managed to steamroll ladder so I'll take it I guess.

I think this suspect was honestly quite pointless, and I don't even think Electro Shot is the main issue when it comes to Rain as an archetype at the moment, and instead I think it's this fucker: :barraskewda: Barraskewda that is the problem. While Electro Shot ins undeniably a good part, if it goes there isn't much that is still able to take on the combination of strong Electric-type + Barraskewda. Sure, :raging bolt: Raging Bolt becomes slightly worse since it now can't reliably boost up as well, but :thundurus-therian: Thundurus-T will still be hella strong, as it can just slot Nasty Plot and instead bruteforce through all of its checks . And for those that think "oh, but all the bulky Ground-types stop it right in its tracks right" I wanna show some things.

  • +2 252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Rain: 442-522 (85.9 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
  • 252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire in Rain: 256-302 (55.2 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • +2 252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Aeroblast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 255-301 (55 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
While WA Clod can at most annoy it, there still isn't any reliable defensive counterplay despite the fact that Electro Shot isn't present here, I didn't bother putting up any other Ground-types as they're all outsped and KOed by Weather Ball at +0. And while Thundurus-T is busy terrorizing balance, Barraskewda is here to demolish HO or BO, basically mandating multiple mons just to not instantly fold to it. "But just bring a Water Absorb mon!" 1. if we look at the current list of viable Water Absorb users we can boil it down to 2, being :volcanion: Volcanion and :clodsire: Clodsire, who both fold to Drill Run, forcing the opponent to take potentially game-losing risks just to not immediately die. Your safest bet is to try and run physical walls who resist Water, such as :rotom-wash: Rotom-Wash, :hydrapple: Hydrapple, and :toxapex: Toxapex, who all invite bid bad Thundurus-T.

Together this forms a deadly core: Barraskewda handles all offensive threats that threaten your chosen Electric-type, while also bringing it in on said walls, letting it wreak havoc. I don't think Electro Shot's the real issue here, it's Rain as a playstyle that is causing the issues, and in my opinion is what should be banned or at minimum be suspected, as an Electro Shot restriction will do very little, and will arguably even buff Rain, as people will grow lazy and consider it less and less while building, making it more powerful. The only real counter to Rain at the moment is :tyranitar: Tyranitar, but the meta hasn't really been kind to Tyranitar, and being forced to bring any one mon just to make a matchup secure seems very unhealthy to me. I say ban Damp Rock, as that will arguably gut rain as hard as it did before it got unbanned. Electro Shot isn't even broken on its own, as Power Herb + Electro Shot sets have definetly not seen enough success to warrant this, it's Rain that is enabling the move, and getting rid of the enabler should be the priority.

I'm also kinda surprised this even got suspected, we had a discussion in OMcord a few days ago regarding this, and it was concluded by saying that Electro Shot could not be restricted by Tiering Policy, as it was only speculation that other abusers would rise up if the main abusers got banned (Raging Bolt & Thundurus-Therian), but then we instead suspected the move based on said speculations...? Like I guess it's fine but it seems more logical to first ban the main culprits and then see if the move's overbearing and not the users? Also this counterargument "In contrast, some have argued the move could be dealt with as rain was previously dealt with, namely another Damp Rock ban, however, counterarguments to this state that the abusers only need 1 turn to both attack and setup." doesn't really say anything, and if anything it promotes a Damp Rock ban, as abusers can no longer attack & setup on the same turn so ???
Anyways, voting Ban, but am really hoping the council atleast looks at Rain as a whole instead, would like to hear what other ppl think.
 
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Decided to use this sus as a way to finally 'learn' the tier, and it was fun!

I used a combo of the team Neon posted in here and then decided to use rain myself with a team passed by the goat kinetic.

Honestly the bigger issue felt like drizzle/damp rock enabled electro spam teams way too well, I also felt that when I was going up against/using these rain teams, Barra/surging was an even bigger threat. With tera gone it seems harder than ever to live/switch into a strong surging strike, even when you are a resist, and especially when it is rain boosted. The offensive synergy that rain + electroshot seems to be too much pressure in the builder and in game, as these mons easily overload their and their teammates checks with a combo of sheer damage output and coverage. Will most likely vote to restrict.

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