Pet Mod SS OU Theorymon (Completed)
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Alright, voting is up!
gengar: 6
mandibuzz: 4
cobalion: 14
diggersby: 4
toxtricity lowkey: 5
With that, Cobalion and Gengar become a part of the meta!
Now, onto the next slate
Fairy/Ground + Earth Power + 15 Defense
+ Brave Bird
+ 20 HP + Recover
+Knock Off
+Glacial Lance
As always, there will be around 5-7 days of discussion.
gengar: 6
mandibuzz: 4
cobalion: 14
diggersby: 4
toxtricity lowkey: 5
With that, Cobalion and Gengar become a part of the meta!
Now, onto the next slate
Fairy/Ground + Earth Power + 15 Defense + Brave Bird + 20 HP + Recover +Knock Off +Glacial LanceAs always, there will be around 5-7 days of discussion.
NOOOO! where is my geomancy SYLVEON :[
will post my thoughts later but NOOOO! SYLVEON you couldve had geomancy
will post my thoughts later but NOOOO! SYLVEON you couldve had geomancy
I will post my thoughts later but this is just unacceptable. How dare you not buff me, your one saving grace? I'll let you know that next time, I will get my proper revenge, just you wait...
Edit: P.S. Giving me a haha react means you are not worthy of my power and you shall bow down to me as a result
A lot of anger for someone who couldnt be bothered to vote smh smh
if you voted you couldve tied the vote between gengar and low-key vote next time. Every vote matters
I will post my thoughts later but this is just unacceptable. How dare you not buff me, your one saving grace? I'll let you know that next time, I will get my proper revenge, just you wait...
Edit: P.S. Giving me a haha react means you are not worthy of my power and you shall bow down to me as a result
Says the one who just cloggged it lmao, placeholder for thoughts so I don’t clog it.
i cant really comment here because for the life of me i cannot tell what this is supposed to accomplish
...does it not already get brave bird? wacky. rock head brave bird is cool tho
hmmm pretty neat, although it's so painfully slow that i dont see it ever actually getting a chance to re-enter schooling form. Seems worth using if you can keep it in schooling form tho
its quag with koff. this isnt going to make it an OU staple by any means, but it will absolutely make it better at what it already does, which is sit on setup sweepers
thats it, pack it up everybody go home, this mod has reached its pinnacle and that pinnacle is this shining majestic horse. In all seriousness, this is a very cool submission that gives glastrier the honor of being probably one of the best mons on trick room.definitely voting for glastrier, probably not voting for sylveon
Okay I'll post real thoughts now sorry for not voting
This is very close to op. I mean it makes up for it with low speed but it could be interesting enough
Finally. Brave Bird Aerodactyl. This guy needed it, and it is an actual attacker now that it has BB. I will prob be voting for this
Finally, it's actually bulky. Very slow, but hey, at least it's bulky.
Literally what Quag does but with Koff. Very straightforward.
FINALLY, TRICK ROOM CAN BE BETTER. 100% voting for this
Will be voting for /
This is very close to op. I mean it makes up for it with low speed but it could be interesting enough Finally. Brave Bird Aerodactyl. This guy needed it, and it is an actual attacker now that it has BB. I will prob be voting for this Finally, it's actually bulky. Very slow, but hey, at least it's bulky. Literally what Quag does but with Koff. Very straightforward. FINALLY, TRICK ROOM CAN BE BETTER. 100% voting for thisWill be voting for
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Generic OU Mon: The Experience. It sure is a Fairy/Ground, huh? Probably OU, but that's true of any Fairy with even half-decent stats that could get the same buff. Edit: I stand corrected. One of the better buffs this slate. Pretty nice DD mon. Simple buff that helps it a bit and also gives it a reason to use an ability. However, this doesn't really fix its terrible bulk and difficulty in finding chances to set up, but it's a step in the right direction and I'm here for it. I like this, but I also don't like this. What does this offer over OU's other bulky Waters? Why not just run Pex or Bro? The only unique tool this offers is Flip Turn, but even then I don't think that's enough for an OU niche. I don't think this brings enough to the table to justify my vote.Addendum (Offensive Wishi): Just run Goliso or Volc lol.
It works. I like Quag. Therefore, perfect sub. Very meh buff. There's a lot of hype fsr so let me just say, vote for this if you want another C tier. and are my personal favorites, even if is more viable.
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+ Brave BirdAero benefits of this a lot, CB sets become a lot better with a very spammable 120 BP stab that has no drawbacks. This gives it a way to break through many other pokemon such as lando, ferro, toxapex, tangrowth, and more and most resists are slammed by EQ or stone edge in the case of zapdos, heatran, melm, etc. CB has issues of longevity but you can use DD on screens and HO in general with boots to just slam pokemon who expect you to be CB and just nail them with higher speed and attack to be able to turn most ways you would deal with aero by scouting it and going to a resist no longer works. It still struggles with fragility and lack of defensive utility but I believe this is a necessary buff.
+Knock OffQuagsire really struggles in some MU's such as against fini and it often times loses momentum against many pokemon due to relying on status and knock fixes that issue by threatening most pokemon that would abuse it such as tapu fini, torn-t, catching switches such as switching into kart on it while in misty terrain and can remove their precious item such as torn-t boots which it does not like losing, fini leftovers or choice scarf, and other pokemon trying to switch in losing their boosting item or lefties recovery.
Fairy/Ground + Earth Power + 15 DefenseDunno how it would work.... sounds like it would be an offensive pokemon but its to slow and defensively it isnt doing much against pokemon such as
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 196-232 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon in Psychic Terrain: 229-270 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Offensively I believe it can do smth but idk ... not smth i can see working due to very limited defensive utility and it being smth that hates being statused which cripples it as it just cannot dish enough damage. choice specs is prob the sole good set which takes advantage of slow pokemon to gain advantage but i believe it also is prediction reliant and without speed it is to slow and with speed its to frail.
+ 20 HP + RecoverIts a fine pokemon... but why use it over the defining waters such as slowbro defensive utility, future port, and teleport itself which makes itself such a good pokemon by being able to pivot in the other teammates. Tapu fini who has a very useful fairy typing and many sets to use to lure in many pokemon, and Toxapex who stone walls half the tier and can cripple them in one way or another.
+Glacial LanceTrick room go brr and in general it is a very strong stab especially on non-tr teams and nails many pokemon even that resist it tho it sucks that it is 8 pp which means corv can pp stall it but with its good bulk it can setup on some pokemon and threaten a lot of glacial lances that can ohko or 2hko many pokemon such as slowbro, doing 40 to offensive heatran at +2 is just showing of its power, ohkoing ferro, and more. I believe it will bring up TR viability a bit and it can show itself being good on non-tr teams
Thoughts:
Sylveon - awesome typing, better bulk, almost perfect neutral coverage with its STABs.Big improvement.
Wishiwashi - a bulky Water type that can still hit hard? Yes please. Not one of my favourites but nice buff nonetheless.
Quagsire: meh. Helps but would it even have room for it? Its low stats are its biggest problem.
Glastrier:130 BP stab sure is nice, but it’s still far too slow to be a good threat. Giving it Trick Room as well would’ve been a big help.
Aerodactyl: Yes give it the move it should’ve had 4 generatioNs ago. Recoil free Brave Bird is super spammable.
I would vote for Sylveon and Aerodactyl out if these.
Sylveon - awesome typing, better bulk, almost perfect neutral coverage with its STABs.Big improvement.
Wishiwashi - a bulky Water type that can still hit hard? Yes please. Not one of my favourites but nice buff nonetheless.
Quagsire: meh. Helps but would it even have room for it? Its low stats are its biggest problem.
Glastrier:130 BP stab sure is nice, but it’s still far too slow to be a good threat. Giving it Trick Room as well would’ve been a big help.
Aerodactyl: Yes give it the move it should’ve had 4 generatioNs ago. Recoil free Brave Bird is super spammable.
I would vote for Sylveon and Aerodactyl out if these.
Well... the thing is wishy cant exactly switch in on much due to it needing sp. attack ev's to threaten much at all... and sylveon doesnt switch in on much at all as it hates being statused and without choice specs doesnt threaten much esp since most pokemon can deal with sylveon in one way or another besides koko and zera.... and is worn down very easily.
Quagsire can fit knock > eq and its stats are not its problem as its stats were tried to be buffed but to no avail. Knock > eq u just lose to tran which you can just fit shed shell pex on your team which can deal with tran or help with it. Since knock also wears down many of its switch ins
Gonna defend Glastrier for a bit
It's not a pseudo-legendary, but it does have strong defensive stats, so you could maybe sit on threats while Trick Room gets set up. Ice is a bad defensive type though, but Glastrier is still very good in TR.
Oh boy I hope no one disagrees with my opinion and starts a war
I'm not sure if it's actually going to be a C tier or if the TR playstyle will be grouped altogether. That aside, Glastrier could probably not be a C tier and actually take on the likes of Zarude, and a few other things due to its beefed up defenses, so you can sit on that stuff while Trick Room gets set up.
Like I said earlier, Glastrier has high defense so it can still do things. Its SpD stat is also very hefty, I mean take a look at these stats:
It's not a pseudo-legendary, but it does have strong defensive stats, so you could maybe sit on threats while Trick Room gets set up. Ice is a bad defensive type though, but Glastrier is still very good in TR.
Oh boy I hope no one disagrees with my opinion and starts a war
Seems pretty meh, its hard for sylveon to make a name for itself while getting heavily outclassed by clef, latias and other fairies, even with its great offensive typing. Not my cup of tea imo, especially since eeveelutions with double typings seem very awkward design wise. Actually has good stab now. I disagree on it being a good ddancer due to being frail as shit but i can see some fun sets like lead and even choice band if you feel adventurous. Not much better tho. Fun. Its basically a bulky water that can simlutaneously dish out strong hits. Slow speed isn't that bad when u-turn and flip turn are available so it is a fun pivot. It does have a ton of competition, but i can see some nice sub sets with it. Its quag, doesn't change too much but its a nice buff. Ho ho ho now this is a beautiful buff. A lot of people seem to highly disregard this mon for being a slow ice type but this mf has some pretty insane stat spreads. People often relegate this fella to trick room and while that is a completely fair assumption given how monstrous glastrier is under it, I can see it acting as an ice type equivalent of attacking variants of melm. First lets explore trick room: Trick room permits sword dance glastier to make a show for itself and boy does it fucking hit like a truck:+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Tapu Fini: 225-265 (65.4 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 175-207 (57.5 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Glacial Lance vs. 248 HP / 168+ Def Corviknight: 491-578 (123 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Glacial Lance vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 240-283 (57 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Keep in mind that the few things that resist it get blown away by coverage
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 341-403 (112.1 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Close Combat vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 593-699 (140.8 - 166%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Glastrier Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 769-907 (199.2 - 234.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Oh and don't forget that many of them can't do anything back unless pray for a scald burn
252 SpA Tapu Fini Hydro Pump vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Glastrier: 135-159 (37 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Toxapex Scald vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Glastrier: 49-58 (13.4 - 15.9%) -- possible 7HK
Nothing in the metagame switches into glastrier under trick room. But pushing trick aside, i could actually see this have a niche in non trick room teams, as it is functionally a melm that trades its great defensive typing for a stab that hits the meta for way more damage as well as more special bulk. Choice band is possibly functionally worse than with melm and leftovers is weaker, but assault vest might be used better by it due to having a good stab move and its special bulk being slightly better than melm's.
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ppl be like "idk what this does, cant take hits so it must be bad" this mon is nidoking with calm mind guys you should be more afraid than that lol
Ground/Fairy (+Earth Power) and +15 DefTruly an excellent mon, I've gotten over the type change thing, since nothing is making these Pokémon OU and this is not a flavor mod. Otherwise, this is a fantastic offensive Pokémon with alot of natural defensive utility by virtue of its typing and its respectable 95/80/130 bulk. CM, 3 Attacks and even a cool defensive pivot can go pretty well on a wide variety of teams.
Dunno how it would work.... sounds like it would be an offensive pokemon but its to slow and defensively it isnt doing much against pokemon such as
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 196-232 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon in Psychic Terrain: 229-270 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Offensively I believe it can do smth but idk ... not smth i can see working due to very limited defensive utility and it being smth that hates being statused which cripples it as it just cannot dish enough damage. choice specs is prob the sole good set which takes advantage of slow pokemon to gain advantage but i believe it also is prediction reliant and without speed it is to slow and with speed its to frail.
I think you seem to misunderstand what defensive utility is. It is not hard switching into 130 Attacking stat item boosted wallbreakers with zero Attack investment. Its how useful the resists this Pokémon offers to a team that allow to pivot into certain attacks and then threaten things out. Swapping into Dark types, Electric types, Rock types and now with real bulk Fighting types is pretty great, as it threatens it out, and Hyper Voice + Earth Power + Mystical Fire blankets the whole tier outside of dedicated special walls. I think Sylv is easily the best sub on this slate, but naturally this means people are gonna vote for the Shedinja of this slate in it's stead.
+ Brave BirdA simple yet effective sub. I do not think Dragon Dance will be the go to set for Aerodactyl outside of something like screens due to it's trouble setting up. I really wish this was given U-turn as this would otherwise be perfect and allow it to get out of tight binds like Corviknight, but as for what it is it is a pretty fine breaker.
+20 HP and RecoverI see the vision, its not supposed to be a hard defensive mon but instead a hard hitting tank. My only gripes are the lack of a secondary STAB, as Water STAB is not hard to find opportunities to switch into with the myriad of Water resists running around. If this had a secondary typing over one of the buffs this would be a great bulky breaker imo. Otherwise rn its kinda mid.
+ Knock OffWeird as hell type a buff, as this move is something to try and shift Quag away from its stall matchup, but outside the parameters of Stall mon's stats just hold it back by this || much. If this could gave gotten an extra HP buff I'd really like it but without that it still heavily competes with our bulky waters in a way Unaware + Knock Off may not be able to bridge. Not a horrible sub, just likes that extra oomph to be more splashable and we can't do that unfortunately.
+ Glacial LancePretty wild buff but it is something we can work with imo. Agreeing with Geko that I think the sheer strength of Glacial Lance can see this thing be a thing outside of TR but I would not go outright and compare this to the likes of Melmetal, it lacks the defensive utility Melm provides. It much more plays like a slow Kyurem. I REALLY wish this Pokémon had Ice Shard, as this would make this thing a true menace on balance teams since it can actually threaten offense, but as for now if you build with this you require Heavy speed control among other things. Would be an ok B- mon.
Right now my votes are looking like
and most of our pokemon have ways to even deal with it as with 3 attacks what is ur last? CM? i guess so but its not really switching in much nor is it applying much pressure to pokemon such av torn-t, balloon tran, slowking-g and many other pokemon and it does have very limited pokemon it can force out and that is for 1 switch like only.... like u may force out banded tar once but next time it comes in its nailing it with banded stone edge or crunch and chunks it to the point it cant switch in anymore, and most pokemon have covergae for it like you say electric, rock, and dark types but ttar hits hard to the point it can just make it so sylveon cant switch in again, zera has knock + toxic which pretty much kills sylveon, koko has u-turn which while free turn is probably the best pokemon you are going to abuse, weavile has ice stab, and bisharp has iron head, while zapdos hits to hard and can recover off the hyper voices and magnezone can toxic.
Sylveon is not exactly bulky with 252 hp solely as 95/80/130 while good in general can fail especially when you have to switch into rocks, potentially losing lefties and the pokemon you resist can easily tank a hit or just do to much to you to make you not be able to switch in again. Its just you have to invest to much to have the defensive utility to take hits repedetly since its also coupled with sylveon its a slow ass little crap and means its gonna have to take a lot of hits to fire off attacks and while it does have perfect coverage without a boosting item which makes its defensive utility worse without lefties means its not gonna be doing to much to many bulky pokemon at all. Like i cannot find a scenario without wish where you can comfortably switch in and fire off attacks without taking to much damage from them such as tapu koko dazzling gleam, ttar stone edge, or zapdos hurricanes
you're missing the point completely. it's not that it can switch in on everything, it's that the resistances and immunities afforded by its type give it opportunities to switch in at specific times, and when it does switch in it's devastating. also, sylveon resists both of ttar's STABs.
We failed you, lord (Low-Key).
Anyways, I'll kinda explain what my Sylveon sub does:
So while you may think this is just a generic offensive mon, it's got a quite unique niche as while sure, other fairies could do the same with its typing, but they may be either broken or just don't have the utility or the offensive presence to perform it well at all (cough cough Alcremie, Gardevoir, etc.), whereas Sylveon has got nice enough stats and it takes advantage of its relatively fine movepool.
And well, this is all, see you!
Anyways, I'll kinda explain what my Sylveon sub does:
So while you may think this is just a generic offensive mon, it's got a quite unique niche as while sure, other fairies could do the same with its typing, but they may be either broken or just don't have the utility or the offensive presence to perform it well at all (cough cough Alcremie, Gardevoir, etc.), whereas Sylveon has got nice enough stats and it takes advantage of its relatively fine movepool.
Echoing what G-Luke said, defensive utility is not just taking 40 from Psychic Specs Lele and EQ Chomp, it's much more than that (also, saying that it takes a bunch from Tapu Koko Dazzling Gleam is straight-up false, as it takes 25 max). Oh and btw, it's middling speed is what keeps it far from broken, if anything.
1) Calm Mind + 3 attacks
This is one of its best sets imo, as it can tear apart many defensive cores relying on stuff like Ferro + Heatran to check Fairies, as they get booped by EP + Mystical Fire while it also can set up on stuff like Defensive Clefable, Corviknight, Zeraora, Tapu Koko, Latias if not running Trick Scarf, Slowbro and (I know this is ironic as hell but it's true) Glowking to an extent. Also, its added Defense kinda helps it as it can take hits with more ease.
2) Choice Specs
Not the biggest fan of this set if I'm going to be frank, but I can't deny how amazing Fire-Ground-Fairy coverage is, and unlike Tapu Lele, it's got a more reliable way to break through Steel-Types and it's got more defensive utility than Lele, as it's able to switch into stuff like Zeraora and, as hilarious as it sounds, it switches into Nihilego now.
3) Wish
It acts like Clefable, but it's got an actual good typing and decent phys bulk able to switch into many foes like Raikou (yes, it switches into Raikou now), all the other Electric-Types I mentioned (Koko, Zeraora, Regieleki, Zapdos, etc.), Tyranitar, Nihilego, Magnezone (it barely runs Flash Cannon anyways) and Scarf Lele while it still handles stuff like Dragapult and being able to check Dragonite even better than before it's just amazing, plus it's not deadweight vs Heatran unlike other Wishpassers, which is so neat. Oh yeah, and being able to 1v1 Shifu-RS if running 208+ Def (assuming ur running 252 HP / 208+ Def / 48 SpD which also allows it to take two sballs from pult even if the first one SpD dropped) without a boosting item if rocks ain't up (pads has gotten usage).
4) Sub sets
I think Substitute sets like SubCM + EP HVoice or Sub + 3 attacks will have their own merits as well, as this mon is weak to some of the best priority moves like Rillaboom Grassy Glide and Scizor Bullet Punch (though that mon's down bad rn) and it also allows it to be way less prediction reliant against defensive cores like double Steel-Type.
This is one of its best sets imo, as it can tear apart many defensive cores relying on stuff like Ferro + Heatran to check Fairies, as they get booped by EP + Mystical Fire while it also can set up on stuff like Defensive Clefable, Corviknight, Zeraora, Tapu Koko, Latias if not running Trick Scarf, Slowbro and (I know this is ironic as hell but it's true) Glowking to an extent. Also, its added Defense kinda helps it as it can take hits with more ease.
2) Choice Specs
Not the biggest fan of this set if I'm going to be frank, but I can't deny how amazing Fire-Ground-Fairy coverage is, and unlike Tapu Lele, it's got a more reliable way to break through Steel-Types and it's got more defensive utility than Lele, as it's able to switch into stuff like Zeraora and, as hilarious as it sounds, it switches into Nihilego now.
3) Wish
It acts like Clefable, but it's got an actual good typing and decent phys bulk able to switch into many foes like Raikou (yes, it switches into Raikou now), all the other Electric-Types I mentioned (Koko, Zeraora, Regieleki, Zapdos, etc.), Tyranitar, Nihilego, Magnezone (it barely runs Flash Cannon anyways) and Scarf Lele while it still handles stuff like Dragapult and being able to check Dragonite even better than before it's just amazing, plus it's not deadweight vs Heatran unlike other Wishpassers, which is so neat. Oh yeah, and being able to 1v1 Shifu-RS if running 208+ Def (assuming ur running 252 HP / 208+ Def / 48 SpD which also allows it to take two sballs from pult even if the first one SpD dropped) without a boosting item if rocks ain't up (pads has gotten usage).
4) Sub sets
I think Substitute sets like SubCM + EP HVoice or Sub + 3 attacks will have their own merits as well, as this mon is weak to some of the best priority moves like Rillaboom Grassy Glide and Scizor Bullet Punch (though that mon's down bad rn) and it also allows it to be way less prediction reliant against defensive cores like double Steel-Type.
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Fairy/Ground + Earth Power + 15 DefenseAw yeah, this thing can fight Heatran now. Sylveon needed some help as it definitely struggled against a lot of steels, now with Earth Power, it can smack Heatran on the side of the head and end its miserable existence. Pretty neat.
+ Brave BirdThis thing should've gotten Brave Bird a long time ago, and I'm glad it might here. Very frail, but 120 BP Recoilless Brave Birds mean Aero don't care. Force a swap, DD up, and sweep with Brave Bird + Stone Edge. 10/10. Voting for this.
+ 20 HP + RecoverIt's alright. Nothing really against it, but it's pretty cool. 20 HP makes it actually bulky enough to eat stuff. Recover is cool too. Probably wont vote for it, but I'm not against it happening.
+Knock OffMore utility baybeeee. Can now punish things like Tapu Fini trying to swap in for free. Pretty cool.
+Glacial LanceOh god the damage output. So much damage. Poggers
I'll probably vote for
and the second vote is an enigma.
NeonNitroGlycerin Aerodactyl does not already learn Brave Bird.
+ Fairy/Ground + Earth Power + 15 Defense Don't like this slate too much, the combo of earth power + a stronger version of moonblast + mystical fire has almost no switch in, the additional bulk is also annoying, ground typing is hellish as now it can set up CM in front of many electric types of the tier, I guess the slow speed can make this thing much more manageable. + Brave Bird A better STAB move should be useful, pair with perfect coverages and 130 speed tier makes a great offensive mon(its typing is quite meh still), if mega-Aerodactyl exists, it would be a complete nightmare, guess they died out because they weren't brave enough for the prehistoric era. + 20 Hp + Recover The additional 20 Hp is cool, for comparison, now in school form, wishiwashi has almost the same bulk as toxapex and recover helps getting you out of the solo form range, the slow speed kinda hold it back but I think this is a pretty good buff. +Knock Off Tbh I don't have much to discuss but, toxaclone, yay!!! + Glacial Lance An impressive improvement! With the help of a 130 bp STAB move, swords dance glastrier now threatens to 2HKO water types in OU, a choice band set is also very scary under Trick Room.