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Pet Mod SS OU Theorymon (Completed)
- Thread starter Ardy
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+ Swords Dance
Flower Veil
-Intimidatecan't vote for umbreon or registeel in good faith, so i've just gotta lock them out with the next best option (shed is still just a stallmon tho)
sd
Turtonator Shedinja
Swords Dance
Swords Dance
+Swords Dance
Votes are in!
turtonator: 16
goodra: 8
shedinja: 10
umbreon: 6
registeel: 3
zarude buffs
intimidate: 7
flower veil: 4
swords dance: 10
+ Levitate
+ 20 Speed
+ Body Press + 20 Speed
+ Dragon type (Replaces Poison) + Clanging Scales (STAB move) + 20 Speed
+ Poison Touch
Note: the differences, though small, between Toxtricity and its Low-Key form is that Low-Key has Minus instead of Plus, and it has Venom Drench and Magnetic Flux instead of Shift Gear and Venomshock.
Also please don't vote before voting starts. your votes will not be counted if you do.
turtonator: 16
goodra: 8
shedinja: 10
umbreon: 6
registeel: 3
zarude buffs
intimidate: 7
flower veil: 4
swords dance: 10
Note: the differences, though small, between Toxtricity and its Low-Key form is that Low-Key has Minus instead of Plus, and it has Venom Drench and Magnetic Flux instead of Shift Gear and Venomshock.
Also please don't vote before voting starts. your votes will not be counted if you do.
Exaplined how much i hate this over discord but tl:dr it doesnt solve any of mandi's problems. Even if this was given it would struggle with being toxic'ed, hazards in general, and attacks and it would be forced to roost a lot especially when it doesnt really beat any rockers while avoiding status and staying healthy throught the game to keep them off and to check many threats such as kart, pult, blace, and some more. It just gets shat on by the entire tier still... this just makes it so its less passive which doesnt solve its core issues of needing to heal so often it ends up not accomplishing much nor would it throw attacks out often. I will never vote for this even if my life came down to it
Gengar now has utility? OMG! well being ground immune and walling lando and using it as setup fother for sub np sets is interesting to say the least. Garchomp also has a harder time pressuring it especially if its tank chomp. I beileve it still has its issues but its potentially going to make a jump 3 tiers in the VR on the discord maybe a bit less or maybe a bit higher as i may underestimate the buff of having a ground and spikes immunity and can be a good Pokémon on HO
I uh... checks notes.... well well diggersby sounds nice esp with having a base 98 speed tier tying with hydreigon. Hydreigon speed tier is known to be not the best but this expands on the SD set as with mega kick you can basically nuke the entire tier after a boost. Sounds like an insane screens pokemon or a general CB or choice scarf pokemon throwing off attacks as its pretty fast and outruns scarf lele, fini, and arctozolt in hail. Sounds nice and i may vote on it depending if i die trying to find out.
Edit: It has no defensive counterplay btw.... did u know that... well jolly with silk scarf 2hko at +2 with mega kick corv, ferro, and those are the 2 bulkiest normal resists... everything else is dropping then and at base 98 it outruns, fini, urshifu-r, lele, moltres-g, lando-t, and makes it a hell to check it esp since weavile doesnt ohko it and dragapult cannot kill it (head calc says so)
"Cobalion gaining Body Press allows it to maintain an offensive presence while maximizing it's defensive potential making much more consistent at it's role, while +20 Speed puts it at a very unique speed tier, potentially creeping the likes of Weavile while still being shy of Tapu Koko. This makes even max HP and heavy defense invested spreads still outpace a large proportion of slower Pokémon, thus making a much more efficient beast."
Huh.... at base 128 it does outrun a lot esp with no ev's as you only need 148 Ev's with a neutral nature to outrun base 100's, 112 and jolly to outrun base 110's, 152 with jolly to outrun raikou, and to outrun weavile you basically need max max. As they said instead you can shift your speed ev's to defense ev's to have a powerful body press and threaten a lot of pokemon defensively such as zera, weavile, bisharp, kart, bulu, and maybe soft check some more. it looks like a decent rocker.
Specs go brr i was hoping it would be on base toxtricity instead so i can run a HO set with clanging scales, overdrive and drain punch but whatever... Specs works fine and specs clanging scales does hurt like a truck and boomburst and overdrive with good prediction can allow a good clanging scales sweep late game... how do i make this sound... uh... non existant defensive typing hurts it but with base 95 you really do outspeed a lot and shit on lando even harder while speed tie with lele and outspeed fini, moltres-g, and lando-t and bulky chomp. Sounds cool idk tho
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only simple thoughts for now, might update later (they were not simple lo)
I like it. Nice, simple buff that helps the mon tremendously. However, this isn't OU. Simple truth. Powercreep has caught up, and you're not using Gengar over ridiculously powerful Ghosts like Pult and Blace, even if it theoretically has a niche with NP. Would've been a great buff two gens ago, except it still had Levitate two gens ago. RIP (on second thought, this has a niche in OU and therefore I can feel justified in voting for it over Mandibuzz. Everything is perfect)
This is scary. That's about it. Doesn't really do much but hit hard, and we don't really need more super strong Ground or Normal breakers in the meta.
Fun change. Somewhat of a Jolte Cobalion-lite, with BPress giving it a great anti-passivity tool, as well as allowing it to run no Attack investment if it so chooses (which in turn makes its Volt Switches hit harder). The extra Speed is pretty stellar, as it becomes blazing fast for a defensive pivot. However, it still suffers from the same lack of recovery and general weakness that it always has, meaning it might not often have a slot on a team. Still a cool buff, and definitely one of the best this slate.
Honestly this sub was cracked when it was base Tox and had Shift Gear, but now instead of being cracked it's just pretty dumb. Punk Rock Clanging Scales is a silly concept, especially when it has both STABs boosted and gets Boomburst. Probably fine in OU if I had to guess since Electric/Dragon is only alright offensively, but I'm not at all a fan.
Cool buff. Pretty solid additional utility, as well as a way to dissuade offensive and defensive switch-ins alike, but I'll probably avoid it since there are some cooler Mandi subs in the discord waiting for their turn.
Except Mandi ends up being one of the best subs this slate, so oh well. and are the best subs this slate IMO; the competition isn't exactly fierce here, with a lot of the mons slated being cool in concept, but flawed in execution. Still, I'm generally happy with the path this slate is going down and I look forward to future slates.
I like it. Nice, simple buff that helps the mon tremendously. However, this isn't OU. Simple truth. Powercreep has caught up, and you're not using Gengar over ridiculously powerful Ghosts like Pult and Blace, even if it theoretically has a niche with NP. Would've been a great buff two gens ago, except it still had Levitate two gens ago. RIP (on second thought, this has a niche in OU and therefore I can feel justified in voting for it over Mandibuzz. Everything is perfect) This is scary. That's about it. Doesn't really do much but hit hard, and we don't really need more super strong Ground or Normal breakers in the meta. Fun change. Somewhat of a Jolte Cobalion-lite, with BPress giving it a great anti-passivity tool, as well as allowing it to run no Attack investment if it so chooses (which in turn makes its Volt Switches hit harder). The extra Speed is pretty stellar, as it becomes blazing fast for a defensive pivot. However, it still suffers from the same lack of recovery and general weakness that it always has, meaning it might not often have a slot on a team. Still a cool buff, and definitely one of the best this slate. Honestly this sub was cracked when it was base Tox and had Shift Gear, but now instead of being cracked it's just pretty dumb. Punk Rock Clanging Scales is a silly concept, especially when it has both STABs boosted and gets Boomburst. Probably fine in OU if I had to guess since Electric/Dragon is only alright offensively, but I'm not at all a fan. Cool buff. Pretty solid additional utility, as well as a way to dissuade offensive and defensive switch-ins alike, but I'll probably avoid it since there are some cooler Mandi subs in the discord waiting for their turn.Except Mandi ends up being one of the best subs this slate, so oh well.
and are the best subs this slate IMO; the competition isn't exactly fierce here, with a lot of the mons slated being cool in concept, but flawed in execution. Still, I'm generally happy with the path this slate is going down and I look forward to future slates.
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RETURN OF THE KING. We've all wanted Levitate back on Gengar and there's an easy reason why. Levitate allows Gengar to swap into much more than it does now. Swapping in on any incoming Earthquakes or Earth Powers from opponents and striking back with deadly Shadow Balls. Also now makes a really good Heatran partner imo as Gengar can cover the EQs and Tran can eat those fast psychic hits Gengar can't. Gimme Gimme.
98 Speed means it outspeeds things like Lele and Splashifu, which is nice, hits hard and all, but I feel like it would end up in a Regieleki kind of stance where it's really scary except for when a specific section of the meta exists and just hard walls it, i.e Corviknight/Skarm/Celes. Probably won't vote for this since I feel there are better options here.
Speaking of better options, love this one. Steel/Fighting type that's faster than Weavile, BEAUTIFUL. It could run fast hazard setting pivot stuff with Rocks-BPress-Volt-Taunt, a Swords Dance sweeper set with SD-CC-IronHead-StoneEdge. I feel like you could even take advantage of its good defense and run AV with CC-IHead-StoneEdge-Volt. This is my favorite of the 5. 100% voting for it.
Huh... It has a lot of flavor that's for sure. Dragon/Electric is a cool typing, removing the 4x ground weakness. No setup move on lowkey so you'd have to run a Specs Overdrive-Scales-BBurst-Volt set which I think would be fun to mess around with. 95 speed tier is always a nice place to plant an offensive mon and it will probably just become a different typed Tapu Lele which is fine by me. This one makes my 2nd vote a toss up between it and Gengar.
This seems completely uninteresting. Like I get the concept, Foul Play and U-turn gaining a poison chance, nice and all, except for the fact that it's regular poison. Which is fine and all don't get me wrong, but I kinda wish it was toxic poison. Its bulk can still be subpar, and overall isn't that interesting to me, sorry Mandi.
I will be voting for
and either or 
I like Cobalion and I love this buff.Makes it really fast and Body Press allows it to invest into Defense while not being passive on utility sets.Cool breaker.Not much else to say.I like this one.Gives it a lot more opportunities to get on the field.Eeeeh.I’m seeing a Regieleki situation here but less extreme.It doesn’t solve its big problems.Voting for
and either or Very cool buff, coba should have gotten bpress from the start. The speed increase makes fast pivoting sets much better, and also means iron defense + bpress be an actual solid threat. ID + bpress and taunt to beat all the passive shit could actually be scary to face, but still balanced which I like. Also boosts an actual weavile check into the meat, which is always appreciated. I would predict this to be a solid B+ mon threatening a lot of the top mons like ferrothorn, weavile, and heatran.Actually a pretty cool, unique breaker. It’s stab combo is really cool and it can become a part of some volt turn cores which appreciate it bringing in ferro. I like levitate on gengar it lets it punish things like scarf locked Lando and gain free switch ins on toxic hippo. Not much else to say about I though and I still think it will be a niche pick for the most part. Also cursed body was a pretty funny ability and could basically rng you wins sometimes, so that’s also a thing. I don’t know how people are comparing this to regieleki. Diggersby can actually bypass it’s checks thru use of sd or simply pivoting out with u turn so another member can take advantage of them, such as magnezone (It also literally has super effective coverage for all of those “hard counters” mentioned lmao) I personally think it’s a cool buff giving us another offensive spiker and I will probably vote for it. Fine to make it more annoying to switch in to, though I don’t think the buff is all that great. Just decent.I uh... CB jolly mega or SD does a lot to many offensive teams and now with a good speed tier it now nukes most offensive pokemon with mega kick+ 20 Speed:
98 Speed means it outspeeds things like Lele and Splashifu, which is nice, hits hard and all, but I feel like it would end up in a Regieleki kind of stance where it's really scary except for when a specific section of the meta exists and just hard walls it, i.e Corviknight/Skarm/Celes. Probably won't vote for this since I feel there are better options here.
252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Mega Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 264-312 (73.9 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 184-217 (48.1 - 56.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Mega Kick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Zapdos: 288-340 (89.7 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Mega Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 120-142 (37.1 - 43.9%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
the calcs are nutty against many offensive teams and SD drops bulky teams
What. I knew this thing would be powerful but what the hell. 2HKOing Bro at +0 is BONKERS. Also just found out that +2 Diggersby 2HKOs Corviknight so it isn't even walled. Now I'm not voting for it because I'm scared of it