We have a few special mon with inflitrator, but when it comes to good special mons with infiltrator we only have Noivern which share the same weaknesses.
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Metagame [SPOILERS] Scarlet & Violet OU Discussion [BAN LIST POST 626]
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I'm really bummed that it doesn't get Play Rough and EQ but honestly with Quark Drive. Trick, and Knock Off, it shouldn't be all that bad. It can choose between Specs, Band, Scarf, Swords Dance + Terrain, or Swords Dance + Energy Booster, so the main issue with it probably isn't going to be its power so much as it would be the sheer variety of sets it can viably run. Kinda like Genesect in AAA this gen.
I think it'll stay OU without a particularly strong Physical Fairy STAB to work with and no way to 2HKO Pex if it's Jolly, but no doubt it'll be very good on account of being a nightmare to play around if you don't know what set it is.
As far as Veil Snow is concerned, I think that Snow's really gonna rely on Slowking to set weather on account of Abomasnow being kinda shit. That's not to say you can't make it work, but it would be significantly less consistent that Slowking on the whole, especially considering that Slowking can actually afford to run Icy Rock on account of Regen.
Something that can live a hit from flutter + roar/whirlwind? If that combination even exist.
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Whirling/roar probably won't work because taunt crushes it.
Prankster parting shot can help make it more manageable.
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Has chandelure been dexited ? If not it's fire typing would be really great for that role
Sadly, it has been.
RIP my favorite candle
Could be interesting to have as tera will most probably be banned but since we didn’t get a dynamax ladder in gen 8 ou (i believe) i think that we probably will just have to play some sort of nat dex format to use tera
The reason this didn’t happen for dynamax is they didn’t want to split the playerbase.
I think that should be reconsidered with Tera personally. It was the correct decision for dynamax because truthfully dmax had zero redeeming factors for 6v6 singles. Tera is actually far more interesting and does have redeeming factors (and is actually fun imo so far). Splitting the playerbase is far more worthwhile when Tera OU will actually be fun and interesting (dmax OU would have been neither fun or interesting lol).
Iron Valiant @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Ability: Quark Drive
Naive Nature
- Close Combat
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Knock Off / Thunderbolt
Iron Valiant's most powerful sets probably will lie in mixed offensive strats, as it's probably one of the first Pokémon in quite sometime whose Movepool and stats seem tailor made for this. Moonblast hits hard as a bitch, and Close Combat nails most Steel types that try to switch in hard. Psychic is for Pokémon like Toxapex and Clodsire and the last slot is pretty filler - Knock Off is a rare commodity and smacks Gholdego for big damage, while Thunderbolt hits Corviknight who can probably wall this set decently well otherwise, basically boils down to which Steel should be a reliable switch in. I expect this thing to be a menace once it drops.
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Ability: Quark Drive
Naive Nature
- Close Combat
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Knock Off / Thunderbolt
Iron Valiant's most powerful sets probably will lie in mixed offensive strats, as it's probably one of the first Pokémon in quite sometime whose Movepool and stats seem tailor made for this. Moonblast hits hard as a bitch, and Close Combat nails most Steel types that try to switch in hard. Psychic is for Pokémon like Toxapex and Clodsire and the last slot is pretty filler - Knock Off is a rare commodity and smacks Gholdego for big damage, while Thunderbolt hits Corviknight who can probably wall this set decently well otherwise, basically boils down to which Steel should be a reliable switch in. I expect this thing to be a menace once it drops.
I would like to add that the Dynamax ban was highly controversial, and banning a core mechanic that isn't nearly as broken could prove really damaging to smogon's playerbase (especially since cartridge competitive is really accessible this gen). What's better, splitting the playerbase or losing a significant chunk of it?
Why was Rotom-W your only (not-particularly) reasonable Chien-Pao answer in a meta where it's expected to run rampant? Palafin handles Standard Volc, Ground Tera Volc, and Pien Chao in one slot with just Jet Punch (no Band needed). Dragonite can shrug off anything Volc can throw at it, boost to +1, and survive the follow-up hit to KO (or boost to +2 to outspeed +1 Volc and kill the next turn with speed advantage). It can also terastalyze to normal type to improve its matchup against Chien-Pao and kill it, too.
Beyond thatWhat other coverage is Volc giving up to run Tera Blast that could have let you preserve Rotom-W if it was your only good answer for Sword Cat, and wouldn't banning Tera Blast, thereby denying Volc its ground-type attack in the first place have prevented this same scenario?
Frankly I don’t care if people leave because a broken mechanic is banned. That being said I really don’t think people would leave the metagame in droves if it does get banned. People talked about how banning Greninja was going to hurt the playerbase because people couldn’t use this new popular mon and that didn’t happen.
I don't remember much if any controversy. I think people were just happy to see it gone. I feel like it's easy to forget a meta where 1-6 turned into 1-0 on a dime because of how violently broken Dynamax was. Nothing says fun healthy meta like 60% Ditto usage.
As long as 6v6 singles has an audience Smogon banning something won't split it as long as the end result is a fun metagame. Because of the 20 minute battle timer Showdown and Smogon metas are the only way to play 6v6 singles. 4v4 doubles plays so differently that it might as well be a different video game.
If anything leaving Dynamax in the game would lead to a loss in players because 6v6 with Dynamax is fucking trash.
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Oh I see now, thanks for clarifying. I just can't stand running into these generic passive damage mons.
Whether players stay or leave or whatever should have zero impact on the decision of banning something.
That logic also supports the decision to implement a Tera OU meta if it is banned from standard though as the only real flaw with that direction is splitting the playerbase (a loss in players in standard which we’ve established doesn’t actually matter).
On the plus side, it provides the freedom for players to play the meta they enjoy more, similar to the value that nat dex OU supplies.
That logic also supports the decision to implement a Tera OU meta if it is banned from standard though as the only real flaw with that direction is splitting the playerbase (a loss in players in standard which we’ve established doesn’t actually matter).
On the plus side, it provides the freedom for players to play the meta they enjoy more, similar to the value that nat dex OU supplies.
Back then I did hear quite of a lot of people voicing concerns at the idea of banning the generational mechanic, but Dynamax was so broken that they had to concede. I'm not arguing in favor of Dynamax at all, but treating Tera the same way might not be a wise idea.
Forgiving me if I'm wrong, but doesn't cartridge have 3v3 singles? While that's not quite the same as 6v6, its much closer to it than VGC.
My point was that if smogon/showdown was to lose players in standards either way, it would be preferable to leave them an option within smogon's confine rather than loose them entirely. Make it easier to pull them back in standard for next gen.
I agree with most of these points, but 3v3 singles is actually way closer to vgc than it is to smogon 6v6 singles imo. I play all 3 formats.
1. We have to wait for Home to see the actual moves he lost (hopefully as many as thought).
2. Even without Superpower and Knock Off, and with nerfed Grassy Glide, I see the monkey UU at least and with some niche in OU. That Wood hammer with Band still hits hard, Defoggers are more uncommon (meaning switch-ins will be taking more damage) and Grassy Terrain nerfs EQ and checks Electric Terrain, which will be common due Paradox Mons, even with Pincurchin being mediocre. So, I wouldn't discard the grass monkey, he is still pretty strong.
oh, so you can see pinchurchin in OU?
Blissey is just a free setup fodder and on +6 you dont wall it anymore, not even on max SpDef
+6 252 SpA Misdreavus Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 372-438 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Not OU by use, he is still quite bad. But with some use in the Tier. I already used it in SS with Koko as competition, and it was not terrible. Without Koko and with more Mons to abuse the terrain, Pincurchin has a place here.
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