Spinda (Wishful Staller)

NoJohns

NoJohns

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/spinda

If I did something wrong, please make a not of it so I can correct it. This is just a set, not a full analysis. If I need to make a full analysis, please tell me.

So here's an uncommon little fellow that isn't getting much attention. In case you haven't already guessed from the title, that little fellow is Spinda. The one pokemon that we all think is adorable, but hasn't actually gotten any "good" metagame analysis. The current ones on Smogon are fine (Diggin' that Parafusion set), however I believe, that it's time to step up Spinda's game. Introducing:

The Wishful Staller: Spinda

WIP

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[SET]
name: Wishful Staller
move 1: Wish
move 2: Protect
move 3: Teeter Dance / Attract
move 4: Toxic / Seismic Toss
item: Leftovers
ability: Own Tempo
nature: Impish
evs: 252HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD (Working on a better EV spread).

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>At a glance, Spinda looks nothing like a staller. However, with a bit of luck, Spinda pulls out the "stalling" aspect of a staller quite well. Though our beloved dizzy bear only has 60 base Defense and Special Defense, the EV investment can make it work pretty well. As a staller, it makes sense to use Leftovers, to make up for the things that Wish can't do (and trust me, that's a lot). Attract can be used in the place of Teeter dance, however the added damage from confusion makes Teeter Dance a better choice. Also, attract only works on the opposing gender, which can be a pain against other attracters like Lopunny and Delcatty.</p>

<p>What would a staller be without a recovery move? This set utilises his only recovery move, Wish, in order to make him a worthwile staller. Protect is basically obligatory for synergy with Wish, and is another obvious move in Spinda's frail moveset. Teeter Dance a reliable confusion inducer, which makes Spinda very luck based. Finally, to finish off, a reliable paralysis like Thunder Wave is always nice. Body Slam could be used in it's place if you feel that your Spinda needs to show off it's amazing attack. Toxic could be used in it's place, as poison + confusion damage would make a deadly combo, but Seismic toss is used for constant damage.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>First and foremost, Toxic Spikes can be a huge advantage to have in play when with Spinda, as it rids the need of toxic, giving it some other options (namely Thunder Wave).</p>

<p>Entry Hazards are always a pain to have against a stall team, and a staller such as Spinda is no exception. With low defenses and medicore base HP, you'll want same RS support with you. Rapid Spinners can also scan for ghost types, which are a free switch in for Spinda.</p>

<p>As said above, Rapid Spinners make great partners alongside Spinda due to the fact that they can scan for ghost types and trap them in a confusion stall. Dark/Ghost types make good coverage for Spinda's obvious fighting type disadvantage, and Encorers such as Ledian and Clefable can help you get an easy switch-in.</p>

(Some statistics, not sure if I want to put them up in the main analysis)

1/2 Chance of Confusion failing * 1/2 Chance of attack not getting soaked up by protect = 25% of the attack actually hitting.
 
#1 - post new sets in QC

#2 - invest in one defense or the other, especially with Spinda's craptastic defenses

#3 - Macho Brace = no no

#4 - I don't think Spinda needs a revamp, but if you're interested you might as well do it. It looks like this is Spinda's best attempt at UU.

#5 - Is there any other move Spinda can use in place of Teeter Dance? Any at all would be helpful.
 
Thanks for your advice. Apologies for it being sloppy, as you can see it's my first post and I haven't lurked here for too long. Sorry for posting it in the wrong section, any quick method to move it to QC?

I'll edit some stuff later, and added in a WIP if that wasn't already obvious.
 
No offense, but when I saw the title, I thought it was a joke. Now, it actually looks interesting, especially since this might be viable. One suggestion I have is Toxic in the final slot so it can actually stall. Also, since many people might just use Team Builder on Smogon to put this set on their team, your Pokemon will be male, so Attract will be pretty much useless. Other than that, good job!
 
100% outclassed by Clefable.

No point adding a UU analysis for Spinda when it is outclassed right?

You could update the NU analysis page though, it looks old.
 
clefable must rely on sweet kiss (bad accuracy) or swagger (increases attack) to create confusion. teeter dance has 100%accuracy
 
Clefable

~95/73/90 defences
~magic guard
~consistent damage in Seismic Toss
-movepool the size of lickilicky's tongue

Spinda

~teeter dance? lol


To be truthful, confusing opponents is generally a poor strategy that has very little competitive viability so I wouldn't even waste a moveslot on Sweet Kiss. Encore is far superior on Clefable + still loves hazards.
 
I know spinda sucks. I wont even bother defending it. But to be frank, if someone is so desperate to use it, they might as well use a good set from 2010 instead of a bad one from 2005. All right, its outclassed by everything and their mothers. So what, it still deserves a readable analysis, and since it isnt 100% outclassed, it might as well be up.
 
coolking49 said:
I know spinda sucks. I wont even bother defending it. But to be frank, if someone is so desperate to use it, they might as well use a good set from 2010 instead of a bad one from 2005. All right, its outclassed by everything and their mothers. So what, it still deserves a readable analysis, and since it isnt 100% outclassed, it might as well be up.
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~It doesn't deserve a readable analysis for UU though, if the dude wants to do one for NU, then by all means go for it! That is like saying we should give Dusknoir an UBERS analysis (it doesn't need one BECAUSE IT IS OUTCLASSED BY GIRATINA)

~the only thing it is not outclassed at in UU is being a complete pile of **** (reasons: see above post ._.)


E: If this is a NU analysis, take the mention of Clefable out of the last paragraph.
 
You should really do research before you post next time Ghost. Currently, Smogon is not accepting any analyses that are for the NU tier. As such, it is impossible to write an analysis for Spinda for its performance and how to use it in the NU tier. Spinda needs an analysis that clarifies that it is a horrible Pokemon and is outclassed, but it needs to list the sets that are its best attempt at the UU tier, not the NU tier.
 
Oh so I just get an incling to check to see if NU are being accepted? er no.

Even with that taken into account, giving Spinda an analysis is stupid hands down.

So you would reccomend someone do a UU analysis for Unown?



| Spinda | Usage | 65 | 0.0


Lets give Nidoran-F a UU analysis

| Nidoran-f | Usage | 1 | 0.0 |All this equates to is a waste of space.
 
comparing spinda to unown is kind of a hyperbole, Don't you think? Unown is quite literally competitively useless. At least spinda can TRY to do something with its larger movepool.
 
better movepool? are you kidding?? UNOWN can use ALL 16 hidden powers. It screams UU.

It is like an Anti-Snover if you are hail weak!!! 166.5% - 196.1% OHKO thanks very much.



~Everything can TRY...Spinda is one of those that inevitably accomplishes nothing.


E: The fact that NUs aren't being accepted (I still can't find where it says this) does NOT justify this set being used in UU. It is a liability.

If NUs are not being approved, then unfortunately for Spinda that should mean it is stuck being a lazy panda wannabe.
 
Ghost. said:
better movepool? are you kidding?? UNOWN can use ALL 16 hidden powers. It screams UU.

It is like an Anti-Snover if you are hail weak!!! 166.5% - 196.1% OHKO thanks very much.



~Everything can TRY...Spinda is one of those that inevitably accomplishes nothing.


E: The fact that NUs aren't being accepted (I still can't find where it says this) does NOT justify this set being used in UU. It is a liability.

If NUs are not being approved, then unfortunately for Spinda that should mean it is stuck being a lazy panda wannabe.
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The problem is that Unown has horrible defensive and Speed stats, a not-so-hot Special Attack stat, and the fact that resisting enemies can easily switch into Unown, set up, and kill it. On the other hand, Spinda has access to a good support movepool, boasting Teeter Dance, Wish, Baton Pass (which can be used with Calm Mind), Hypnosis, Thunder Wave, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Trick Room, and Trick. I will admit that Spinda is almost completely outclassed by Clefable, but if a set works well with Spinda, it deserves to go into its analysis, regardless of how outclassed it is.
NoJohns, if you want to write a Spinda update, I'm pretty sure that you'll be allowed to do it, and Spinda needs an update, no matter how much it sucks. If you do make a full Spinda update, I would suggest putting this set on there, as it has some potential. I'm not an official QCer, though, so I might be wrong. Either way, good luck!
 
Not sure if I want to make a full revamp, but it's certainly on my mind. It just seems that Spinda has an amazing movepool, and even though its base stats are horrible, it could really pull something off with it. Anyways, I haven't got to testing it much (especially since Smogon on Shoddy's down), but I hope I'll get to some more updates soon.
 
Ghost. said:
Oh so I just get an incling to check to see if NU are being accepted? er no.

Even with that taken into account, giving Spinda an analysis is stupid hands down.

So you would reccomend someone do a UU analysis for Unown?



| Spinda | Usage | 65 | 0.0


Lets give Nidoran-F a UU analysis

| Nidoran-f | Usage | 1 | 0.0 |All this equates to is a waste of space.
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If you're going to post in this forum you better fucking know what you're talking about, so yes, you should have checked to see if Smogon was accepting NU analyses or not. That's what the Ask a simple question threads are for if you aren't sure about something. And, its been well known for quite some time that Smogon does not accept NU analyses, so if you had been lurking at all in this thread before you joined, you would have known that.

And, yes Spinda sucks! and isn't used! But, it is a fully-evolved Pokemon, and it has a stellar movepool, so it should get an analysis (although it doesn't mean we're forcing you to do one NoJohns). And since when is it a "waste of space?" Spinda is still going to have a page in the list of Pokemon, so what's the difference if it has an analysis?

And as a side note: Nidoran F probably will end up getting an analysis anyway, albeit a LC one. So there! :P
 
Okay Vileplume, Beedrill and Deoxys all have an analysis, clearly "outclassedness" is not an issue.

But on the set, I think this operates too similarly to the WishPass set. I think you should emphasize Toxic so that, combined with Attract or Teeter Dance, you're actually stalling. Otherwise he fulfills a wish-passer sort of role that is already on his analysis.
 
"Outclassed" is not a good reason for rejecting analysis. That said I feel really bad about approving annoyer sets, so I'd prefer a specs set or something written up. Spinda sucks horribly anyway but I'm sure it has things it can do besides piss me off with its sprite and teeter dance
 
NoJohns said:
Not sure if I want to make a full revamp, but it's certainly on my mind. It just seems that Spinda has an amazing movepool, and even though its base stats are horrible, it could really pull something off with it. Anyways, I haven't got to testing it much (especially since Smogon on Shoddy's down), but I hope I'll get to some more updates soon.
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You had said at the beginning of this thread that if you needed to do an analysis, anyone could tell you. I was thinking that you were considering it. Sorry about the mix-up. Anyway, I'm agreeing with Smith about Toxic and Teeter Dance, and I personally think that the moveset should be something like this:

-Wish
-Protect
-Teeter Dance
-Toxic/Return(if you're worried about Taunt)

This makes Spinda more like a staller, as stalling out Toxic and possible confusion damage, with the possibility of Wish healing, makes your opponent very annoyed at you. However, Taunt wrecks this set badly, which is why I added Return in the final slot just in case.

Also, @Smith: I can see Beedrill running a unique lead set involving Toxic Spikes and Endeavor, so I wouldn't call it outclassed just yet...

EDIT: @FlareBlitz, don't forget about the possible Toxic, which makes it even more annoying. Besides, this is only one set, and asking to add another set makes it seem closer to an update (even though Spinda really needs it)...Just saying...
 
spinda is not just outclassed, it's not viable. i agree with most of what ghost has said, and there is a point at which we should just not try to give pokemon "legit" analyses and just go with funny ones. spinda is past that point. just keep the current joke analysis.
 
@Flashrider: Toxic seems like a waste when you can put toxic spikes down, but I guess it'd work if you didn't have a toxic spiker in your team, and plus the chance of getting fully paralyzed para gives isn't that great.

@Whistle: Joke analysis' are fun, but Smogon's a "competitive" pokemon website, so I reckon every analysis should be up to some standard, even if it's just saying "This pokemon sucks and relies on a lot of luck, but if you want to use it anyways, go ahead, cause it can actually do something sometime". (Yeah, that didn't make a lot of sense).
 
Well the Overview, Counters, and Other Options sections can and should remain humorous and clearly state that "this Pokemon sucks don't use it", but I think the rest really should be a little more competitive in nature.
 
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