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Scientology
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Ok, there is being able to try to follow it and not following it at all. God never said we had to be perfect we just have to wont to follow him. If we chose to follow him and continue to do so most of the times people's lives are changed then they follow the bible as best as they can, sure they are going to stumble along the way and repent and continue on.
NO I am not. Jesus did not condone slavery. You have not read the entire Bible (or at all) and therefore you cannot argue something you are not knowledgeable in. I have read the entire Bible and it does not condone slavery.
I never said i was intolerant, I simply said they are not Christians. Enough with putting words in my mouth.
This is not the point of this topic and does not need to be carried on any longer if you do not mind ending this.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Unless you meant the New Testament.
Unless you meant the New Testament.
If you want to get technical, the Old testament is only directed to the Hebrews and Gentiles do not have to follow the customs and living directions given to the Hebrews, as in the Gentiles do not have to follow the festables and do not have to be circumsized. Further more, the Gentiles and the Hebrews no longer have to follow about half of the things said in the old testament.
Also you have to look at the fact that slavery in those days was not the same as the savery we saw in europe and in the US in later centuries. God told his people that there were not to capture others and make them salves. Exodus 21:16: He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.
Deut. 24:7: If a man is caught kidnapping any of his countrymen of the sons of Israel, and he deals with him violently or sells him, then that thief shall die; so you shall purge the evil from among you.
Also you have to look at the fact that slavery in those days was not the same as the savery we saw in europe and in the US in later centuries. God told his people that there were not to capture others and make them salves. Exodus 21:16: He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.
Deut. 24:7: If a man is caught kidnapping any of his countrymen of the sons of Israel, and he deals with him violently or sells him, then that thief shall die; so you shall purge the evil from among you.
I didnt intend for it to become another Christian bacsing thread, all I did was state that Scientologists are not Christian based. Akichi and Tangerine are the ones that are turning it into a Chrsitian bashing thread. As I said, lest avoid this and not discuss it further since this is not on topic.
I think the point he is getting at is the fact that Scientology does sometimes insist on not using drugs that could be very beneficial to a person, such as having a drug free child birth, which they in courage. I am not sure just to how far of an extent that the refuse drugs since it is not something I have looked into but if you ask me, if drugs are offered during child birth to try and ease the situation I am definitely taking them, screw natural child birth I want it to be as smooth as it can be thank you very much.
There are other groups, like Christian Science for example, which drugs and even vaccinations are not used. Christian Science does not because they believe that any illness is just an ill illusion of you mind. (on a side note they also believe that pretty much everything is just an illusion so I don’t see the reason why they bother gathering together when the building they are gathering in doesn’t exist, but that is off topic). In this practice, children are denied vaccinations that could be very helpful to them as well as medications such as insulin for children that are diabetic.
Clearly these practices are hazardous to the children, who have no other knowledge and no other choice then to go with what the parents say, and it is not right. We do get into the issue of freedom of religion but I do feel that if the child’s life is at risk, I am sorry but the parents are clearly neglecting something, whether they think they are or not, and the child’s life must be protected. Generally the issue is seen more in cults.
There are other groups, like Christian Science for example, which drugs and even vaccinations are not used. Christian Science does not because they believe that any illness is just an ill illusion of you mind. (on a side note they also believe that pretty much everything is just an illusion so I don’t see the reason why they bother gathering together when the building they are gathering in doesn’t exist, but that is off topic). In this practice, children are denied vaccinations that could be very helpful to them as well as medications such as insulin for children that are diabetic.
Clearly these practices are hazardous to the children, who have no other knowledge and no other choice then to go with what the parents say, and it is not right. We do get into the issue of freedom of religion but I do feel that if the child’s life is at risk, I am sorry but the parents are clearly neglecting something, whether they think they are or not, and the child’s life must be protected. Generally the issue is seen more in cults.
I may have to correct my post in the end-of-the-wold thread. I agree with Lexite on this matter.
It's a tricky social issue, but some religious beliefs clearly cross the line by endangering others who cannot make a decision on the matter. Christian 'Science' is probably the most obvious one. Lexite got it spot on - one of their beliefs is that all disease is an illusion. All disease. Including things like, say, broken limbs. Or cancer. Or diabetes. There's a number of horror stories I've read about Christian Scientists leaving their child writhing on the ground crying in pain for days after they broke an arm or something. Jehovah's Witnesses are perhaps the most mild example - refusing blood transfusion for yourself? Go ahead. Refusing blood transfusion for your child? Not so good.
Children don't have the capacity to consider religious beliefs in full depth. I know I certainly didn't really think about religion until I was 13/12 or so, and I had the benefit of being well educated, including religious education, basic philosophy, and basic epistemology. Anyway, the point is that kids can't possibly make an informed decision that they're a Jehovah's Witness, or whatever - they're far too young. In most situations, killing your child would be a crime - killing them because of your religious beliefs should be no different.
As for Scientology, I think everyone is aware by now that it's essentially a business masquerading as a religion (Rather like some televangelists, actually...) and benefiting from the automatic tax-free status religions get. They deliberately target celebrities - the buy-your-way-into-nirvana philosophy is probably pretty juicy to people with lots of money, too. They will stop at nothing to stop criticism of the cult - that's actually a directive from Hubbard himself - and are incredibly litigious. And well funded. And they are truly a cult - they encourage members to cut off contact with non-scientologists, they disbelieve in some aspects of established reality (I.e., psychiatry), and there's been a bunch of other shady practices around, too - including deaths of people in their custody due to negligence and the use of children as effective slave labour.
Far too many loathsome religions, far too little time. <_<
In a sense, Lex, all cults are religions.
Also, keep in mind that I consider fundamentalist christianity/islam/judaism/etc. loathsome.
Also, keep in mind that I consider fundamentalist christianity/islam/judaism/etc. loathsome.
L. Ron Hubbard had to have been the biggest douchebag ever (second maybe to John Edwards). I don't think creating a religion out of bullshit is neat. And every follower of Scientology needs to look at its backgrounds...the creator was a goddamn science fiction writer. I can really only hope he did it as a joke to show how people will follow anything. If so, then all these celebrities are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.
In a sense, yes, but they are far different. And I would partly consider the fundamentalists of those religions to be cults as well as the function somewhat as cults at times and they do not even follow the original doctrine of the religion they claim to be.
And Dragonites, he was also a Science fiction writer that had a criminal record, dont forget that one, and was a drug user.
And Dragonites, he was also a Science fiction writer that had a criminal record, dont forget that one, and was a drug user.
Heh, even better. I seriously don't know how people buy onto that garbage. I'm not religious myself, but at least all those other religions are thousands of years old, leaving alot of room for inconsistencies.
My personal view (jumps away from just Scientology):
~Gods have always been used to explain the unexplainable (and are forgotten about as an explanation is brought up: IE Sun God- we know it's not pulled by a carriage)
~You ever play that game in 3rd grade where the teacher tells you a phrase and you pass it on throughout the classroom and by the end the sentence isn't the original? Ever hear a fishing story from your relative where each time the story was told the fish got bigger? You see, that happens over just a few times of telling something. Now imagine how this gets warped over thousands of years. "Jesus caught an otter" is now "Jesus walked on water".
~^^lol
My personal view (jumps away from just Scientology):
~Gods have always been used to explain the unexplainable (and are forgotten about as an explanation is brought up: IE Sun God- we know it's not pulled by a carriage)
~You ever play that game in 3rd grade where the teacher tells you a phrase and you pass it on throughout the classroom and by the end the sentence isn't the original? Ever hear a fishing story from your relative where each time the story was told the fish got bigger? You see, that happens over just a few times of telling something. Now imagine how this gets warped over thousands of years. "Jesus caught an otter" is now "Jesus walked on water".
~^^lol
Dragonites, you're getting off-topic but for what its worth, the time scale between the oral and written tradition of the Bible wasn't thousands of years and I highly doubt that Chinese whispers lead from Jesus was a man ----> Jesus was the son of God.
On topic, are you basing this claim on the comments on a celebrity website? Really there seems to no basis to suggest this was the case. And I think that medication only controls seizures and doesn't cure them I think that brain surgery can cure them though. This is an unfortunate tragedy.
On topic, are you basing this claim on the comments on a celebrity website? Really there seems to no basis to suggest this was the case. And I think that medication only controls seizures and doesn't cure them I think that brain surgery can cure them though. This is an unfortunate tragedy.
I suggest you go and study some more because back then people made sure they were making correct copies and we still can see some of the Original writings, and no they did not get messed with. Also there are many many non-religious historical writings from those times and before that we can find as well that back up scriptures. Watch the History channel or something cuz we have some of the original (or as close to and as old as) documents sitting in the museums.
This stuff should probably move to another thread. Much as I find it an interesting discussion, and have stuff I'd like to contribute, probably not during a discussion regarding scientology.
Speaking of which, information on scientology: http://www.xenu.net/
Speaking of which, information on scientology: http://www.xenu.net/