SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

Mario With Lasers said:
I'd rather BM Ursaluna were a legendary than another Battle Bond Greninja. They should not set a precedent or it will make it more difficult to nuke BB in the future.
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Well it wont be a BB style, a lot of the context is just...different.

BB Greninja was locked to a demo and an anime tie in probably didn't help
BM Ursaluna is just available normally (even if it winds up being a one-off) and, presumably, not a tie in to anything.
 
Talking about the discussion of Blood Moon Ursaluna's type, I agree with the idea it will keep the normal type due to the signature ability having the effects of scrappy. If it is case that the ground type would be replaced, it would probably be unconventional when it come to Pokemon type conventions, considering that the mud which would be associated with ground types is still present in it's design and referred to in it's pokedex entry (the pokedex entry is in the spoiler of the post below).
R_N said:
Seems like someone's leaking the Home update again?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1697322619228606870

Bloodmoon Ursaluna

https://twitter.com/x/status/1697323062172201042

Sinistcha, the evolved Poltchageist

https://twitter.com/x/status/1697323083273474393

The Ogrepon masked forms
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If dex entrie's reference to the mud being as hard as iron is referring to Ursaluna being a steel type, that would get rid of this oddness. But as pointed out by other posters:

Dragapult said:
Don't really see the eviddence /Steel beyond the dex entry, which as another user has already pointed out is pretty meaningless as a hint because Avalugg's entry also refers to it being as hard as steel. Also feel like a Steel typing would massively discount the haunted/werebear elements it that IMO feel much more in line with /Dark or even /Ghost.
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AquaticPanic said:
Also wanna say, idt "its mud is as hard as iron" necessarily means Steel type - This has been used time and time again to say a Pokémon is bulky. Has happened with mons like Gigalith or Avalugg before. Plus, I really don't think "Blood Moon", nor its description, sound anything Steel-like

Not entirely sure what I'd guess the type to be though. Would be pretty funny if it was Fairy like 80% of the moon-related things
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This doesn't necessarily correlate to it having the steel type. This oddity with Blood Moon Ursaluna if the ground type was removed may not mean much, but I wonder if there a possibility of Blood Moon Ursaluna having the same type as Ursaluna, being differentiated from Ursaluna by other means like stats, movepool and abilities, as speculated by other posters.

StarFalcon555 said:
All of them.

My prediction is that getting Blood Moon Ursaluna will work like getting Dusk Form Lycanroc does - you get a special Ursaring with a different Ability from normal (like Own Tempo Rockruff) and only that Ursaring can evolve into Blood Moon Ursaluna.
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Worldie said:
Also even though it looks believable, Steel/Ground is pretty sus. Why would they give it Scrappy on Steroids without actually having Normal or Fighting stab?

As of now, Scrappy is an ability only seen on pokemon that have one or both these stabs. I'm honestly assuming it's Normal + X (which would inherit the Normal type from Ursaring and I find it the most believable) or Fighting/Ground.
Honestly I'd not be surprised if it's still Normal/Ground. Pokemon that completely change type keeping none of their stabs when evolving are extremely rare, even when it comes to regional forms.
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AquaticPanic said:
The post is from Centro though, they've been know to just share their interpretations of Khu's words as facts. I don't dismiss the possibility of all forms being Ghost, but do take the info with a grain of salt because it's just Centro's take rather than a proper source leaking info
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To add onto this, a gentle reminder that Centro has also just blatantly taken things discussed here in this very thread and shaved away speculation to reshare as fact. They’ve even like parroted some jokes users have made here. It’s a weird little feedback loop. Make sure you have a sturdier source for this stuff than just them!
 
Eriorguez said:
TTBT, one of the things I'm curious about is whether Ninetales finally gets a second standard ability. Even if, of course, hidden is best for both Ninetales.

Still bummed that Sneasler got a second ability for SV, while Weavile has been stuck with just Pressure for 17 years, despite Sneasel having had 2 abilities since those were a thing.

And, of course, new TMs and the like, hoping Scorching Sands is back.
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This is a great prompt. The release of new abilities for Pokemon is exciting, and the change of some Pokémon’s abilities when implemented into SV creates even more possibility for returning Pokemon.
 
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missangelic said:
This is a great prompt. The release of new abilities for Pokemon is an exciting, and the change of some Pokémon’s abilities when implemented into SV creates even more possibility for returning Pokemon.
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I wonder what ability they'd get? I think maybe cursed body. Given their propensity for curses. Alternatively a unique ability with the effects of the move Grudge.
 
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One thing to keep in mind when discussing the typings for Ogerpon is its new move:

- Ivy Cudgel
The user strikes with an ivy-wrapped cudgel. This move's type changes depending on the mask worn by the user, and it has a heightened chance of landing a critical hit.

While it's not proof of anything, the fact that it has ivy on its name means that it's likely part of the mon and not that it gains the Grass-type when wearing one particular mask (and be a worse Flower Trick since it only crits sometimes). Which is kinda sad because no Ghost/Rock but yay new Grass/Water after two decades!
 
Ernesto said:
One thing to keep in mind when discussing the typings for Ogerpon is its new move:

- Ivy Cudgel
The user strikes with an ivy-wrapped cudgel. This move's type changes depending on the mask worn by the user, and it has a heightened chance of landing a critical hit.

While it's not proof of anything, the fact that it has ivy on its name means that it's likely part of the mon and not that it gains the Grass-type when wearing one particular mask (and be a worse Flower Trick since it only crits sometimes). Which is kinda sad because no Ghost/Rock but yay new Grass/Water after two decades!
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And Grass/Rock. The only other Rock/Grass type is the Lileep line from the same generation.
 
Ernesto said:
The user strikes with an ivy-wrapped cudgel. This move's type changes depending on the mask worn by the user, and it has a heightened chance of landing a critical hit.
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yeah i wouldnt hold my breath if i were you.

Honestly i’m just wondering why Ogerpon wasn’t fairy/grass rather than ghost/grass. Fairies are a lot more on that sort of trickster archetype.
 
Esserise said:
They’re alternate forms that change depending on which mask Ogerpon is wearing. It seems probable that the masks themselves will be either held items or key items. That said, the type combos aren’t confirmed yet.
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The Masks can't be held items because there's no "proper" maskless ogrepon for the game to default to; all the renders have a mask.

So probably a key item (like a "mask box") or a set of key items you can use. Also means those people not content with just a living dex and want every "permanent" form, will have to collect 4 Ogrepon. RIP
 
pkmfan said:
Also is Blood moon for the first DLC?
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Yes.

R_N said:
The Masks can't be held items because there's no "proper" maskless ogrepon for the game to default to; all the renders have a mask.
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Right right, I thought I remembered you making that point earlier in the thread, but I couldn’t recall the specifics so I just hedged it, lol.

R_N said:
So probably a key item (like a "mask box") or a set of key items you can use. Also means those people not content with just a living dex and want every "permanent" form, will have to collect 4 Ogrepon. RIP
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Maybe since this is like the Isle of Armor equivalent (accessible as soon as you start the Treasure Hunt), the questline for Ogerpon will be relatively easy to breeze through? Funny enough, I’m having to do that right now in Sword so I can get an extra Kubfu (I want those scrolls marked as obtained in my inventory list in Scarlet). It’s not too daunting.

(At the very least, it’s light years better than when I had to speedrun ORAS all the way through the Delta Episode three extra times for the Deoxys Formes…)
 
Esserise said:
Maybe since this is like the Isle of Armor equivalent (accessible as soon as you start the Treasure Hunt), the questline for Ogerpon will be relatively easy to breeze through? Funny enough, I’m having to do that right now in Sword so I can get an extra Kubfu (I want those scrolls marked as obtained in my inventory list in Scarlet). It’s not too daunting.
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Yeah getting more Kubfu isn't too bad, compared to certain other legends. Like the Crown Tundra folks....was lucky I had to beat the entire game again anyway so I had a spare Zacian for trade fodder for Zamazenta (& then they did the shiny wolves event anyway....)

Hard to really gauge these DLCs though. They seem more....ambitious, comparatively. Probably since they have a better workflow and more experience with the concepts.
Maybe we'll be able to beat up Ogrepon, but have to come back in the post game to wrap it up.
(At the very least, it’s light years better than when I had to speedrun ORAS all the way through the Delta Episode three extra times for the Deoxys Formes…)
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The bright spot of being in this series for so long is I'm pretty sure if I dug through all my games, I'd have 3 distinct Deoxys (+ the one currently in Home) I could send forward if I felt the desire.
 
ScraftyIsTheBest said:
So looking through this, I'm going to go down the list and name each and every one of these, and going off this, such list will effectively be the Kitakami Pokedex. In bold are mons already in SV, in italic are returning old Pokemon, and in underline are newly introduced Pokemon.

  1. Spinarak
  2. Ariados
  3. Yanma
  4. Yanmega
  5. Wooper (Johto)
  6. Quagsire
  7. Poochyena
  8. Mightyena
  9. Volbeat
  10. Illumise
  11. Corphish
  12. Crawdaunt
  13. Sewaddle
  14. Swadloon
  15. Leavanny
  16. Cutiefly
  17. Ribombee
  18. Ekans
  19. Arbok
  20. Pichu
  21. Pikachu
  22. Raichu
  23. Bellsprout
  24. Weepinbell
  25. Victreebel
  26. Sentret
  27. Furret
  28. Starly
  29. Staravia
  30. Staraptor
  31. Fomantis
  32. Lurantis
  33. Applin
  34. Flapple
  35. Appletun
  36. Dipplin
  37. Vulpix
  38. Ninetales
  39. Poliwag
  40. Poliwhirl
  41. Poliwrath
  42. Politoed
  43. Magikarp
  44. Gyarados
  45. Hoothoot
  46. Noctowl
  47. Aipom
  48. Ambipom
  49. Heracross
  50. Swinub
  51. Piloswine
  52. Mamoswine
  53. Stantler
  54. Seedot
  55. Nuzleaf
  56. Shiftry
  57. Ralts
  58. Kirlia
  59. Gardevoir
  60. Gallade
  61. Kricketot
  62. Kricketune
  63. Pachirisu
  64. Riolu
  65. Lucario
  66. Petilil
  67. Lilligant
  68. Phantump
  69. Trevenant
  70. Rockruff
  71. Lycanroc
  72. Skwovet
  73. Greedent
  74. Toedscool
  75. Toedscruel
  76. Poltchageist
  77. Sinistcha
  78. Growlithe
  79. Arcanine
  80. Geodude
  81. Graveler
  82. Golem
  83. Bonsly
  84. Sudowoodo
  85. Timburr
  86. Gurdurr
  87. Conkeldurr
  88. Noibat
  89. Noivern
  90. Arrokuda
  91. Barraskewda
  92. Hatenna
  93. Hattrem
  94. Hatterene
  95. Morpeko
  96. Orthworm
  97. Tandemaus
  98. Maushold
  99. Mankey
  100. Primeape
  101. Annihilape
  102. Munchlax
  103. Snorlax
  104. Lotad
  105. Lombre
  106. Lucidolo
  107. Nosepass
  108. Probopass
  109. Shinx
  110. Luxio
  111. Luxray
  112. Grubbin
  113. Charjabug
  114. Vikavolt
  115. Oricorio
  116. Sandshrew
  117. Sandslash
  118. Gastly
  119. Haunter
  120. Gengar
  121. Gligar
  122. Gliscor
  123. Houndour
  124. Houndoom
  125. Spoink
  126. Grumpig
  127. Vullaby
  128. Mandibuzz
  129. Mudbray
  130. Mudsdale
  131. Jangmo-o
  132. Hakamo-o
  133. Kommo-o
  134. Bombirdier
  135. Koffing
  136. Weezing
  137. Mienfoo
  138. Mienshao
  139. Duskull
  140. Dusclops
  141. Dusknoir
  142. Chingling
  143. Chimecho
  144. Slugma
  145. Magcargo
  146. Litwick
  147. Lampent
  148. Chandelure
  149. Surskit
  150. Masquerain
  151. Cleffa
  152. Clefairy
  153. Clefable
  154. Bronzor
  155. Bronzong
  156. Glimmet
  157. Glimmora
  158. Feebas
  159. Milotic
  160. Dunsparce
  161. Dudunsparce
  162. Barboach
  163. Whiscash
  164. Gible
  165. Gabite
  166. Garchomp
  167. Carbink
  168. Salandit
  169. Salazzle
  170. Sneasel
  171. Weavile
  172. Snorunt
  173. Glalie
  174. Froslass
  175. Tynamo
  176. Eelektrik
  177. Eelektross
  178. Goomy
  179. Sliggoo
  180. Goodra
  181. Ducklett
  182. Swanna
  183. Chewtle
  184. Drednaw
  185. Cramorant
  186. Pawniard
  187. Bisharp
  188. Kingambit
  189. Mimikyu
  190. Impidimp
  191. Morgrem
  192. Grimmsnarl
  193. Indeedee
  194. Basculin (White-Striped)
  195. Basculegion
  196. Ursaluna (Blood Moon)
  197. Okidogi
  198. Munkidori
  199. Fezandipiti
  200. Ogerpon

Totals to 200 Pokemon in the Kitakami dex.
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Kommo-o and Sandslash are coming with Teal Mask? I thought those were coming with the 2nd DLC.
 
I don't think its a good idea to trust a random 4chan post that has nothing backing it up. Anyone coulda just logged in and typed out those stats in like 5 minutes. Without the post having anything to give it credibility, I'd heavily advise against trusting it

Not to mention the Loyal Three having 600 bst instead of 580 as well as having HAs - Minor legendaries pretty consistently have 580 bst as of late and (aside from Enamorus) all recent legendaries have a single ability too. Not to mention they haven't made a new Shadow Tag mon in over a decade so idt monke having it is believable

Ogerpon also has 665 bst instead of 670 for some reason
 
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