Scarfed mamoswine? Are you kidding me?

Alaric Saltzman

Alaric Saltzman

Hi all! This is my first time here in a smogon thread. I really want to improve so I would really appreciate all your comments. :))


Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 232 SDef / 248 HP / 28 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Toxic

Pretty much standard, though I find it weird having two status moves for this washing machine. However, I don't know which one to drop as I would like to cripple attackers with wll-o-wisp but I also want someone on my team to know toxic. Of course, volt switch and hydro pump are powerful stabs, VS being a good scouting move.


Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Swords Dance

My physical sweeper, somewhat. I know, I know, technically a sweeper should be fast but I am planning to sweep with bullet punch after a swords dance or two. I put EVs on HP as I would like it to be a scouter (alongside rotom-w) with u-turn at the early parts of the game. I'm not sure about superpower and I am considering roost for that slot.


Mamoswine @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard

Good at revenge killing. Sure, a scarfed mamoswine might not be the best idea but still, some opponents are caught off guard when I switch in into this behemoth. Some would not switch out thinking that their pokemon is faster only to get OHKO'ed by mamoswine. Ice shard is for those with very low HP (just to be sure) and also for garchomp because mamoswine can't outspeed it.


Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 108 HP / 252 Def / 108 SAtk / 40 Spd
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

This is actually my lead as it sets up SR. Shuca berry and the EV spread is to prevent it from being OHKO'ed by most lead carrying earthquake (particularly, excadrill which can be OHKO'ed by heatran's fire blast). Earth power is for the opponent's heatran though I previously have toxic on that slot. Roar is for phazing which goes well with SR. It is also for those who sets up early in the game. I love it when my opponent leads with an azumarill and then uses belly drum thinking that I would switch out only to be roared out.


Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Clear Smog
- Spore
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Giga drain and clear smog for STABs. I know that clear smog is not strong but I really like that it removes the opponents stat changes. I previously had sludge bomb but replaced it with hp fire because I hate being walled with steel type pokemon, also considering that heatran faints early in the game and I need that fire-type coverage. Spore, of course I put spore. Anyone who can learn spore should know spore. :)


Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 200 HP / 56 SDef / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Psyshock
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell

My cleric. EV spread is to make it more reliable as it is more bulky. I previously had shadow ball in the second slot but changed it to protect to scout for moves after performing its tasks.
 
Thank God, somebody wrote descriptions! Hallelujah!
OK, let me actually start the rating.
First, on your Rotom, you think your status moves are a bit weird and I would have to agree. The reason is, you can't burn and poison a Pokemon at the same time. I would drop toxic (don't worry, another mon will have it), and now you have a number of options at your disposal:

Confuse Ray (You can be burned and confused at the same time)
Trick (If so you probably want to put on specs or scarf)
Thunderbolt (you don't have to switch to do electric damage)
ElectroWeb (pretty uncommon, and not my first choice, but it's nice utility against fast sweepers like thundurus and isn't a terrible option)
Sucker Punch (because everybody hates Focus Sashes)

Consider those.

I don't have much experience with Mamoswine, so I can't tell you how good his set is, but it seems like an interesting idea. I would do Rock Slide over stone edge because you are (hopefully) faster and can flinch. That's all for now, but I will return when I am less busy!
 
Scarfed Mamoswine? Are you kidding me?
...Apparently not.

Anyway, nice team you got there! I do have a few suggestions that could help your team though.

First of all, having 2 status moves on Rotom seems kind of redundant. I suggest you replace toxic with pain split as it allows you to survive longer.

Next, Sword Dance Scizor with u-turn seems a bit weird considering that you set up sword dance for one attack. Instead, I suggest bug bite do to actually being stronger than u-turn thanks to technician. Personally I like pursuit better than super power due to the ability to damage returning pokemon and Super Power's stat reduction but that is really your call.

Now... your Mamoswine. Really, I can't say that I don't like it. Scarfed Mamoswine seems like a unique set that is way different than the roles that other people tend to use for this behemoth. My only suggestion is to replace icicle crash with super power for coverage since you already have ice shard. Ice shard should be enough to take care of dragon types with x4 weaknesses, besides Dragonite. Also, get 4 Ev's in health.

Heatran seems pretty good. My only suggestion is to get air balloon over shuca berry as this allows you to avoid ground types completely until you are hit by an attack.

Ammongus looks OK. Nothing to change here.

In my opinion, Espeon is outclassed by many other clerics such as Chansey, Blissey, and Umbreon. I personally like Chansey and you might want to give her a try. However, if you don't want to, that is fine.
Here is the set I would use:
Chansey@Eviolite
252 Defense, 252 Health, 4 Special Defense
Bold
Wish
Heal Bell
Toxic
Seismic Toss

Well, I hoped I helped!

Squidward
 
OK, part 2.
On Heatran, Focus Sash>Air Balloon>Shuca Berry. I also recommend Ancient Power over Earth Power, so you can hit SmogonBird (Talonflame). I would recommend a less frail cleric, and Sylveon comes to mind.
Same set, but bold nature, hyper voice over psyshock, and toxic over protect (last one is more of a "maybe" thing.) Also, you should knock the stone off of Scizor and put in LO (or leftovers or Occa Berry or really whatever comes to mind). Also, U-turn is not useful on a set-up sweeper and bug bite (boosted by technician) is much more useful.
Now, you can replace Amoonguss with Mega Venu. leech seed over clear smog. It looks good though, and Squidward also has good advice!
 
RP2865 said:
Thank God, somebody wrote descriptions! Hallelujah!
OK, let me actually start the rating.
First, on your Rotom, you think your status moves are a bit weird and I would have to agree. The reason is, you can't burn and poison a Pokemon at the same time. I would drop toxic (don't worry, another mon will have it), and now you have a number of options at your disposal:

Confuse Ray (You can be burned and confused at the same time)
Trick (If so you probably want to put on specs or scarf)
Thunderbolt (you don't have to switch to do electric damage)
ElectroWeb (pretty uncommon, and not my first choice, but it's nice utility against fast sweepers like thundurus and isn't a terrible option)
Sucker Punch (because everybody hates Focus Sashes)

Consider those.

I don't have much experience with Mamoswine, so I can't tell you how good his set is, but it seems like an interesting idea. I would do Rock Slide over stone edge because you are (hopefully) faster and can flinch. That's all for now, but I will return when I am less busy!
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Hi RP2865! Thanks for the response. Hmm, I shall consider trick w/ specs. And yeah, I see now that rock slide is better considering your point
 
Squidward said:
Scarfed Mamoswine? Are you kidding me?
...Apparently not.

Anyway, nice team you got there! I do have a few suggestions that could help your team though.

First of all, having 2 status moves on Rotom seems kind of redundant. I suggest you replace toxic with pain split as it allows you to survive longer.

Next, Sword Dance Scizor with u-turn seems a bit weird considering that you set up sword dance for one attack. Instead, I suggest bug bite do to actually being stronger than u-turn thanks to technician. Personally I like pursuit better than super power due to the ability to damage returning pokemon and Super Power's stat reduction but that is really your call.

Now... your Mamoswine. Really, I can't say that I don't like it. Scarfed Mamoswine seems like a unique set that is way different than the roles that other people tend to use for this behemoth. My only suggestion is to replace icicle crash with super power for coverage since you already have ice shard. Ice shard should be enough to take care of dragon types with x4 weaknesses, besides Dragonite. Also, get 4 Ev's in health.

Heatran seems pretty good. My only suggestion is to get air balloon over shuca berry as this allows you to avoid ground types completely until you are hit by an attack.

Ammongus looks OK. Nothing to change here.

In my opinion, Espeon is outclassed by many other clerics such as Chansey, Blissey, and Umbreon. I personally like Chansey and you might want to give her a try. However, if you don't want to, that is fine.
Here is the set I would use:
Chansey@Eviolite
252 Defense, 252 Health, 4 Special Defense
Bold
Wish
Heal Bell
Toxic
Seismic Toss

Well, I hoped I helped!

Squidward
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Hi Squidward! Thanks for the response.

Regarding rotom, I replaced toxic with trick and choice specs as the hold item as suggested by RP2865.

As for Scizor. I considered your suggestion and replaced u-turn and superpower with bug bite and pursuit. I agree that using u-turn and superpower alongside swords dance maybe a little counterintuitive.

Also for mamoswine, I replaced icicle crash with superpower.

For heatran, I might consider your suggestion air balloon. I also consider focus sash.

About the cleric, I really like espeon's magic bounce so I will probably stick to that. However, if I consider other options, can you tell me the advantage of eviolite chansey over leftovers blissey? Thanks!
 
RP2865 said:
OK, part 2.
On Heatran, Focus Sash>Air Balloon>Shuca Berry. I also recommend Ancient Power over Earth Power, so you can hit SmogonBird (Talonflame). I would recommend a less frail cleric, and Sylveon comes to mind.
Same set, but bold nature, hyper voice over psyshock, and toxic over protect (last one is more of a "maybe" thing.) Also, you should knock the stone off of Scizor and put in LO (or leftovers or Occa Berry or really whatever comes to mind). Also, U-turn is not useful on a set-up sweeper and bug bite (boosted by technician) is much more useful.
Now, you can replace Amoonguss with Mega Venu. leech seed over clear smog. It looks good though, and Squidward also has good advice!
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I shall consider Focus Sash. That way I can change my EV spread (I specifically use the current spread to survive an Earthquake from 252 Atk Adamant Excadrill) to a faster offensive spread.

I think I shall keep Earth Power since I am not having problems with Tflame. It's fire stab doesn't affect Heatran while flying stabs doesn't really do much.

Yeah, I agree that Espeon is pretty frail but magic bounce is what I really like about it for countering entry hazards since I don't have anyone who knows rapid spin or defog.

About Scizor, yes I have already replaced U-turn with Bug Bite. However, regarding the replacement of mega stone, will it be really worth it? I mean, Scizor-M is much bulkier and has an additional 20 BP. Please enlighten me on your stand (since I am considering the idea of having Venu-M on my team). Thanks!
 
Alaric Saltzman said:
Hi Squidward! Thanks for the response.

Regarding rotom, I replaced toxic with trick and choice specs as the hold item as suggested by RP2865.

As for Scizor. I considered your suggestion and replaced u-turn and superpower with bug bite and pursuit. I agree that using u-turn and superpower alongside swords dance maybe a little counterintuitive.

Also for mamoswine, I replaced icicle crash with superpower.

For heatran, I might consider your suggestion air balloon. I also consider focus sash.

About the cleric, I really like espeon's magic bounce so I will probably stick to that. However, if I consider other options, can you tell me the advantage of eviolite chansey over leftovers blissey? Thanks!
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Actually on Mamoswine wouldn't it be more beneficial to replace ice shard with superpower since with a choice scarf your already outspeeding most of the meta game? So on Mamoswine try Superpower,Icicle Crash,EQ, and Stone Edge.
 
Dododoggy said:
Actually on Mamoswine wouldn't it be more beneficial to replace ice shard with superpower since with a choice scarf your already outspeeding most of the meta game? So on Mamoswine try Superpower,Icicle Crash,EQ, and Stone Edge.
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Hmm, that seems right. Still, I shall search on threats which can outspeed Mamoswine. Anyway, thanks!
 
OK, I shall show you some calculations on how Chansey is way more bulkier than Blissey. First, lets look at their stats (both sets have 252 Defense, 252 Health, and 4 Special Defense EV's as well as a bold nature):
Chansey: 704 HP, 119 Def, 247 Special Defense
Blissey: 714 HP, 130 Defense, 307 Special Defense
At first glance, Chansey is inferior to her older sister, having lower defenses. However, with the introduction of eviolite in Gen 5,Chansey became a brick wall. Eviolite boosts the holder's defenses by 1.5 if the user hasn't evolved. Lets compare eviolite Chansey's defenses with Blissey's.
Chansey: 704 HP, 178 Defense, 371 Special Defense
Blissey: 714 HP, 130 Defense, 307 Special Defense
Wow. Chansey has much better bulk with eviolite now and can resist attacks that Blissey couldn't. Here are some calculations of some common attacks from some common pokemon in OU:

Chansey:
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (40.1 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Blissey:
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 388-457 (54.3 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
As you can see, Chansey can take Choice Banded Talonflame's flare blitz 3 times before going down where Blissey can only take two. Of course, knock off threatens Chansey but there are ways to work around them. To conclude, Chansey is way bulkier than Blissey, even without leftovers.

Next, I recently realized that Mamoswine doesn't really need ice shard as Dododoggy said. It fails to OHKO Garchomp and can't even 2HKO Dragonite. For that reason, I agree with Dododoggy that you should get icicle crash.
 
Squidward said:
OK, I shall show you some calculations on how Chansey is way more bulkier than Blissey. First, lets look at their stats (both sets have 252 Defense, 252 Health, and 4 Special Defense EV's as well as a bold nature):
Chansey: 704 HP, 119 Def, 247 Special Defense
Blissey: 714 HP, 130 Defense, 307 Special Defense
At first glance, Chansey is inferior to her older sister, having lower defenses. However, with the introduction of eviolite in Gen 5,Chansey became a brick wall. Eviolite boosts the holder's defenses by 1.5 if the user hasn't evolved. Lets compare eviolite Chansey's defenses with Blissey's.
Chansey: 704 HP, 178 Defense, 371 Special Defense
Blissey: 714 HP, 130 Defense, 307 Special Defense
Wow. Chansey has much better bulk with eviolite now and can resist attacks that Blissey couldn't. Here are some calculations of some common attacks from some common pokemon in OU:

Chansey:
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (40.1 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Blissey:
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 388-457 (54.3 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
As you can see, Chansey can take Choice Banded Talonflame's flare blitz 3 times before going down where Blissey can only take two. Of course, knock off threatens Chansey but there are ways to work around them. To conclude, Chansey is way bulkier than Blissey, even without leftovers.

Next, I recently realized that Mamoswine doesn't really need ice shard as Dododoggy said. It fails to OHKO Garchomp and can't even 2HKO Dragonite. For that reason, I agree with Dododoggy that you should get icicle crash.
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To piggyback on what you said, most Dragonites carry e-speed anyway which is Priority +2 while ice shard is +1 so even in that case icicle crash is a WAY better option.
 
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