Salamence or Dragonite, who is the better Dragon?

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Now I don't know how to make a voting feature so if anyone can notify me that'd be appreciated.

Anyway, there has been a long debate on the best dragon. With garchomp uber it doesn't make sense to vote if it is better than salamence because it is in its tier now. Now, for Salamence and Dragonite. Salamence has gotten an improvment in platinum but outrage is not what this thread is about. With outrage, after 1 DD salamence OHKOs max def dragonite with its max attack. Same conditions vice-versa. Now we all know that dragonite is bulkier and gets more moves than salamence however, salamence is faster and stronger. Dragonite after 1 DD is said to have more sweeping capabilities especially with the ice beam and thunderbolt factors(MixNite). However, salamence, being faster gets to a higher speed than dragonite after 1 DD and a tad higher attack stat(not much.)

Dragonite has been more capable of getting a DD as it can take a hit better than salamence can and take an ice beam from somethiing mixed if you are running a +spD nature on it. Dragonite is also pretty bulky adamant and can take an SDed lucario's extremespeed and SD scizor's bullet punch. Dragonite was the first dragon and people thought of it to be legendary in Red Blue and Salamence was the best dragon(out of flygon and itself) in R/S/E and was sometimes considered better than metagross. Salamence also got higher spA attack than Dragonite making it the better pokemon to run specs on getting in a higher juiced draco meteor. And now, with outrage salamence can potentially be uber being the highest attack stat(non legendary or uber) outraging user. Dragonite was the first pokemon to have the privalege of DD+Outrage and with it's bulkiness could possibly be a more threat than salamence. Salamence will always be better in terms of special attack however. So now, the debate continues of who is better. A specs draco meteor from dragonite isn't a tickle either and ice beam and thunderbolt are big for a special attacking move pool. Mixnite will definately always be better than mixmence. Salamence also gets the best ability of all the dragons, intimidate. So the final question is, who is the best on the pyhsical side. Once we figure that out we will truely know who is the best dragon.
 
One thing Dragonite does better than Salamence is a specially bulky DD set, thanks to having light screen. It will always beat non physical attack bulky waters one on one unlike salamence because of this. other than that though, its almost completely outclassed by salamence IMO. Dragonite's higher raw physical defense doesn't mean much when it lacks intimidate.

edit: dragonite also counters non-hp ice skymin because of inner focus, something salamence has trouble with.
 
that is a mix set and I already stated mixnite will always outclass mixmence and thanks for reminding me about intimidate I will put that in the thread
 
I cannot remember how many times I've seen this discussion and I'm tired of it. Both are good pokemon, but each one has its things that make them different.
 
They play differently in almost every way.

Salamence does raw offensive Dragon Dance better than Dragonite, point for Salamence.

Salamence does a specially defenisve Dragon Dance set effectively to beat it's counters. However, Dragonite can take its counters on 1 v. 1 and not only beat them, but come out with at least 2 or 3 DDs and most of its health... point for Dragonite

Salamence can Mixed sweep without having to boost speed... point for Salamence.

Dragonite can Mixed sweep with agility without fear of something faster. point for Dragonite

Salamence has Stealth Rock weakness, Dragonite has stealth rock weakness... -1 for both.

Salamence gets Intimidate... point for Salamence

Dragonite gets Light Screen, Inner Focus, and base 100 special defense, point for Dragonite

Specsmence... point for Salamence.

Specsnite... gets Focus Punch and Superpower... point for Dragonite.


Okay... let me stop. In all seriousness, they play differently so you can't make a claim about one being "better" than the other. Dragonite has enough things going for it to differentiate itself from Salamence and still prove to be just as dangerous. Salamence gets more recognition for 1 reason alone... speed. But it all depends on what you want to use them for. Dragonite clearly has the edge in movepool and versatility, Salamence has the edge in base stat allocation. So, I hate to sound like everyone else.. but this thread is pointless and will be locked soon.
 
the only thing dragonite has on Salamence is superior defenses, but i personally dont think its worth offsetting Salamences bonuses, especially since Salamence can DD outrage now
 
As far as I can tell, now that Salamence has Outrage, the only 'real' reason I'd use Dragonite would be for Superpower or Focus Punch, otherwise I'd really rather use Salamence.
 
Like others have said before me, each of these dragons fulfill their own roles in different ways but in my opinion Salamence is the better dragon.
 
As it has been said, both Salamence and Dragonite serve their own personal objectives, presumably which the user has set them out to accomplish. At the end of the day, we wouldn't find the better of the two; we'd be comparing the differences with no definate conclusion, only to inevitably realise, once again, that each should be favored over the other depending on the strategy you want to execute.

Salamence is better suited switching into physical opposition, courtesy of Intimidate.

Dragonite is the appropriate prospect for Substitute + Focus Punch combination because it can in fact learn Focus Punch; Salamence, however, cannot.

We can appreciates the differences between both Salamence and Dragonite and continue to reiterate them continuously throughout this thread. Unfortunately it has been done often in the past, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority understand the capabilities of both Salamence and Dragonite.

Because the purpose of this thread is unachievable, it may as well be closed.
 
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