Isn't there a particular reason on why Cosmic Power was a set that we tried to discourage? I do not remember the reasoning, but I remember several good RU players saying not to use Cosmic Power Sigilyph, but to use offensive sets, as they were much better.
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Isn't there a particular reason on why Cosmic Power was a set that we tried to discourage? I do not remember the reasoning, but I remember several good RU players saying not to use Cosmic Power Sigilyph, but to use offensive sets, as they were much better.
It's because it's shit
Wtf? Tyranitar is RU now? Screw suspecting stuff like Dragalge, we just got this thing, get the quickban thread up and ready guys, I nominate Tyranitar for S+
Just look at him, the destroyer of RU
But seriously though, why are you using Cosmic Power Siglyph and why are you using Tyrantiar as an example for an RU thread? Its OU. Also Knock Off completly destroys the entire set, and Houndoom just plain out shits on it
Guys stop talking about Tyranitar...
To make my post relevant..
What does anyone think with a Cobalion rise?
Llamas edit: maybe learn when a joke has run its course. To keep this edit relevant, why do you think cobalion should be raised? One liners like this rarely generate good discussion without offering up some reasoning :]
Frogs edit: Ok then, then im sorry ;[ And Cobalion is arguably the best SR setter in the tier imo, it can pivot very nicely with Volt Switch and the ground types that can absorb the Volt Switches are hit hard by CC, can get off fast Taunts, has a few offensive sets that can work pretty dang well(SubSD, CM, LumSD, hell i even ran a Scarf set to decent success), has pretty nice bulk and typing, allowing it to check a lot of top tier threats(M-Sceptile, Pangoro, Dragalge, Meloetta, M-Glalie, etc.). Overall Cobalion is a great Pokemon in the current meta and thus should move up to A+.
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It is pretty much the biggest offensive threat in the metagame (tying with Moltres probably) thanks to its very high Speed very strong and accurate Hurricane that just has little reliable switch ins in the Rarelyused Metagame. Hurricane's great coverage (and confusion chance) make it a fantastic choice in mono attacking Work Up sets too that completely demolish balanced teams with Pursuit support and all out attacking sets with Heat Wave for coverage (+ U-turn for easy momentum against the pretty much forced switches offense HAS to make or Hidden Power Grass to trouble them) are incredibly scary too off the bat also thanks to Pidgeot's scary speed. Pidgeot is not less than Moltres as an offensive threat and i feel like the rankings should be a testament of that.
As i said before in another post, M-Pidgeot isn't as " flawless " as the other S Ranks, so i'd say it should say A+ Rank.
Huntail to B-/Higher, for being a better smashpasser than Gorebyss since Sucker Punch is now usable with its usual Smashpass set, making it simply better than Gorebyss.
Delphox to B: It still has a lot to offer, even with the existence of Houndoom. The better Speed, Trick/Switcheroo, Grass Knot is better than HP Grass and hits harder anything that is hit by HP Grass, and Psychock puts a lot of pressure to some specially defensive threats. The tier doesn't play in its favor, with a lot of trappers, but still, it's pretty damn underrated since Houndoom's here.
Bouffalant to C+: I'm feeling like each time the RU Metagame evolves, Bouffalant gets better. Mega Sceptile ( Ik it has focus blast ), then Serperior. Grass types really don't like Bouffalant, Sub SD Bouffalant is a threat as soon as he find a switch in, and as i said, the RU is adding more & more threats that are free switches to Bouffalant. It's decent bulk also allows him to take few hits too.
Huntail to B-/Higher, for being a better smashpasser than Gorebyss since Sucker Punch is now usable with its usual Smashpass set, making it simply better than Gorebyss.
Delphox to B: It still has a lot to offer, even with the existence of Houndoom. The better Speed, Trick/Switcheroo, Grass Knot is better than HP Grass and hits harder anything that is hit by HP Grass, and Psychock puts a lot of pressure to some specially defensive threats. The tier doesn't play in its favor, with a lot of trappers, but still, it's pretty damn underrated since Houndoom's here.
Bouffalant to C+: I'm feeling like each time the RU Metagame evolves, Bouffalant gets better. Mega Sceptile ( Ik it has focus blast ), then Serperior. Grass types really don't like Bouffalant, Sub SD Bouffalant is a threat as soon as he find a switch in, and as i said, the RU is adding more & more threats that are free switches to Bouffalant. It's decent bulk also allows him to take few hits too.
Think you meant to post in OU forums. It's okay, they're only one letter off.
But Sigilyph isn't Unranked there either last time I checked
I'm going to voice Galbia's suggestion of Mega Bird. With the introduction of SubRoost Work Up Bird, the mon isn't nearly as one dimensional as it previously has been suggested to be. While this set's not as great against offensive teams as the all-out attacker, the set grants it an ability to be more than just an annoyance to defensive and balanced teams. Which is one of the issues it previously had. And this set's existence means that if you expext it to be the all-out attacker then you might be surprised in the late-game.
What I'm trying to say is that it is now a threat to all archetypes in similarity to M-Scep with an all-out attacker set harrassing offense and a setup set taking on slower teams. And Hurricane is one of the best moves in the game when it always hits.
What I'm trying to say is that it is now a threat to all archetypes in similarity to M-Scep with an all-out attacker set harrassing offense and a setup set taking on slower teams. And Hurricane is one of the best moves in the game when it always hits.
Bouffalant for B- or B
With the transition to oras meant stall getting more viable and contrary serperior being allowed now I feel as now is it's time to shine. It literally walks over all serperior sets with sap sipper as it's immune to leaf storm which is huge for teams weak to serperior plus doesn't really care for any other move it has. It also helps with teams weak to grass types not named virizion who's viability dropped with the transition to oras and mega sceptile with focus blast. SubSD is honestly a monster nowadays and bouffalant has enough bulk to pull the set of as 95/95/95 defenses are really close to pokemon with 100/100/100 bulk. It has earthquake to break through normal resists and immune bar gourgeist forms levitating ghosts which honestly are easy to get around as rotom mismagius and gourgeist forms bait pursuit trappers like houndoom to trap them. It also has no problem vs stall as alomomola can't break its subs and you can just set up enough on it to break through it. It's choice band set isn't shabby either as a serperior counter is hard to give up in this meta and it can smash through walls without setting up. Also sap sipper means gourgeist-xl can't even touch you and you can set up all over it and earthquake it at +6 and force it to recover with synthesis which it only has 8 of.
With the transition to oras meant stall getting more viable and contrary serperior being allowed now I feel as now is it's time to shine. It literally walks over all serperior sets with sap sipper as it's immune to leaf storm which is huge for teams weak to serperior plus doesn't really care for any other move it has. It also helps with teams weak to grass types not named virizion who's viability dropped with the transition to oras and mega sceptile with focus blast. SubSD is honestly a monster nowadays and bouffalant has enough bulk to pull the set of as 95/95/95 defenses are really close to pokemon with 100/100/100 bulk. It has earthquake to break through normal resists and immune bar gourgeist forms levitating ghosts which honestly are easy to get around as rotom mismagius and gourgeist forms bait pursuit trappers like houndoom to trap them. It also has no problem vs stall as alomomola can't break its subs and you can just set up enough on it to break through it. It's choice band set isn't shabby either as a serperior counter is hard to give up in this meta and it can smash through walls without setting up. Also sap sipper means gourgeist-xl can't even touch you and you can set up all over it and earthquake it at +6 and force it to recover with synthesis which it only has 8 of.
Does Vileplume have a niche at all? I was gonna pair Amoonguss with Alomomola but I wanted Aromatherapy. Since Vileplume has that, is it viable at all? Or does Roselia outclass it?
Thanks <3
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No, vileplume is 100% outclassed by Amoonguss and to a lesser extent Roselia; like you said. Amoonguss has spore and foul play, while Roselia has spikes.
While Bouff is generally a safe bet, I'm just putting out there that Serperior can nail you on the switch with Gastro Acid, which may or may not force another switch.
Serp has lots of other moves he can run in his fourth slot, like giga drain, knock off, leech seed, sub, glare, or a screen. Gastro acid really only lets him beat one uncommon mon. I doubt it sees enough usage to affect afro bull's placement.
Also, I'm going to nominate Accelgor for A-. One of a handful of spikers in the tier, accelgor sets itself apart with it's blazing speed and access to encore and final gambit, and since it outspeeds every defogger including mega pidgeot, it can always gambit before the opponent defogs or spins. Spikes are really good for supporting powerful special attackers like moltres, mega pidgeot and dragalge, helping them break through things like meloetta and dragalge.
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Alrighty, finally got around to updating this lol
I'd also like to note that a lot of changes were proposed by an anonymous community contributor who doesn't want his name mentioned, i'm going to sort through all of those and talk to him about them and i'll probably make at least some of them in the near future :). I *might* post the changes he proposed here later on if i'm undecided, but only with his consent.
EDIT: forgot to move spooky sword down to A- lol, whether that change stays or not is up to you guys.
Pidgeot moved up to S rank
Kricketune moved down to C- rank (this is kinda out of the blue but with birds being extremely common in the current metagame and top tier threat Serperior getting a free speed boost out of Sticky Web being up on its side, i think it's warranted at least for now
Bouffalant moved up to C+ rank
Golbat moved up to B+ rank
Kricketune moved down to C- rank (this is kinda out of the blue but with birds being extremely common in the current metagame and top tier threat Serperior getting a free speed boost out of Sticky Web being up on its side, i think it's warranted at least for now
Bouffalant moved up to C+ rank
Golbat moved up to B+ rank
I'd also like to note that a lot of changes were proposed by an anonymous community contributor who doesn't want his name mentioned, i'm going to sort through all of those and talk to him about them and i'll probably make at least some of them in the near future :). I *might* post the changes he proposed here later on if i'm undecided, but only with his consent.
EDIT: forgot to move spooky sword down to A- lol, whether that change stays or not is up to you guys.
Is gastro acid just for Bouff really worth that one moveslot tho? Sure it forces out the free switch in but outside of that it doesn't have any use. Serp Would be better off with glare or some other support move
So Reckless Emboar is now live and Shell Armor Samurott lol so anyone have any preliminary opinions?
Also, Rock Head Tyrantrum seems to be coming soon...
Also, Rock Head Tyrantrum seems to be coming soon...
Emboar up to A-/A
STAB Reckless Flare Blitz coming off of a 123 Atk stat is absolutely terrifying, even with a Scarf. And with pretty nice coverage, it seems like a solid A-Rank Pokemon to me. Not being able to be burnt is fantastic for a psychical attacker, and the Fire Typing lets it check so many things currently in the meta, as well as even a banded set not being bad, with EonX explaining its usefulness in the Gods and Monsters RU stage. A lot of psychical walls right now are probably going to have nightmares of the banded set, which are cleanly 2HKOed by Reckless boosted moves, Emboar can even go mixed with a nice 100 SpA, carrying HP Ice on the scarf set in order to 2HKO Gligar after Stealth Rock or Grass Knot to 2HKO psychically defensive Rhyperior. I can't really see anything that can reliably wall Emboar atm, since it is pretty deadly, even when you know it is going to Flare Blitz, and if you do carry something for that, you end up being bopped by a strong coverage move. Though its low bulk and speed really hold it back, or else I would call it a A+ or S rank Pokemon right now, but the traits Reckless give Emboar makes it a great Pokemon and thus should rise to A- or A rank.
Agreed. I calced how strong banded emboar with reckless was in the ru chat roo n and every relevant mon is 2hkod by it at worst. Here are the calcs to how strong it is:
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Emboar Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Cresselia: 255-301 (57.4 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Emboar Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 174-205 (52.2 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Tyratrum's Head Smash is stronger than Dragalge's Draco and is more spammable (Drag usually has to switch out after clicking its nuke). Plus Tyrantrum has a boosting move and the physical bulk to take any priority coming its way. Possibly too good for RU.
Well there is one problem with this: when you use rock head you miss out on the elemental fangs for coverage
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