Kev
Part of the journey is the end
Throughout the past edition of MPL, the community has commented on the unsatisfactory state of the ORAS metagame and has a great desire for change to occur. In order to gather the opinions of the community, this thread is being posted to allow people to express their grievances with the metagame in a detailed argument. The only posts that will be accepted in this thread are serious, constructive arguments; do not post any one-liners or make claims without any backing. It should also be clarified that this thread is by no means a guarantee of action, solid backing does not necessarily mean action will be taken. The quality of the arguments is what will lead to decisions being made. The suggested changes to the metagame can involve bans and unbans of Pokemon (Mega Pokemon included), the banning of luck based items to follow the path taken by SS Monotype, and the change of the ORAS Monotype Mega philosophy to be consistent with SM. If anything outside of these limits is strongly suggested, then more consideration would be required.
While it is fine if anyone wants to simply explain all the changes they require, it would be ideal that all suggestions be presented in the form of a timeline of actions. This allows for the formulation of a proper and appropriate plan on how to improve the quality of the metagame. The spoiler tag below has an outline example of a well organized post. I have just taken arguments that were thrown around public for the sample, and they do not necessarily reflect my personal opinions.
Another thing I would like others to comment on is the interest of participating in a round robin style tournament during the tiering process. It would be great to get a large sample of games of the potential new metagames in order to observe and evaluate the impact of the changes. It would be better to see the people that are invested in ORAS build and compete in the fresh metagames to prevent making decisions that would be regretted the next time it is played in an official capacity. I would prefer clearing out any issues immediately, than getting to Monotype generations (or whatever old gens tournament will happen first) and everyone realizing that something has suddenly become unbearable. Of course, the issue with this is that we ideally want to go through the modifications period rapidly if there are many, in order to not drag out the process. However, the short timeframe for the changes would also make the round robin groups harder to complete as competitors would be asked to potentially build and play multiple series in a week, or 2 weeks. There is of course, also the option of doing a swiss style tournament, but I do not believe that would give an adequate sample size. There is no obligation to hold any tournament, I just personally believe that it would be an ideal, and fun way to develop the tier before reaching an acceptable status. If any does have other suggestions on how to do this, feel free to give them.
When sufficient replies have been received (ideally within 1-2 weeks), tiering actions will start being taken if any are required. Thanks to anyone constructively helping us improve ORAS Monotype !
While it is fine if anyone wants to simply explain all the changes they require, it would be ideal that all suggestions be presented in the form of a timeline of actions. This allows for the formulation of a proper and appropriate plan on how to improve the quality of the metagame. The spoiler tag below has an outline example of a well organized post. I have just taken arguments that were thrown around public for the sample, and they do not necessarily reflect my personal opinions.
In this post, I will go through the different changes I believe are required to fix the present state of the ORAS metagame. The order I believe these decisions should be taken in go from top to bottom.
1) Ban luck based items
Reason: ---
2) Make the Mega Pokemon philosophy the same as SM
Reason: ---
3) If the philosophy changes, unban Mega Charizard X
Reason: ---
4) Ban Deoxys-Speed
Reason: ---
1) Ban luck based items
Reason: ---
2) Make the Mega Pokemon philosophy the same as SM
Reason: ---
3) If the philosophy changes, unban Mega Charizard X
Reason: ---
4) Ban Deoxys-Speed
Reason: ---
Another thing I would like others to comment on is the interest of participating in a round robin style tournament during the tiering process. It would be great to get a large sample of games of the potential new metagames in order to observe and evaluate the impact of the changes. It would be better to see the people that are invested in ORAS build and compete in the fresh metagames to prevent making decisions that would be regretted the next time it is played in an official capacity. I would prefer clearing out any issues immediately, than getting to Monotype generations (or whatever old gens tournament will happen first) and everyone realizing that something has suddenly become unbearable. Of course, the issue with this is that we ideally want to go through the modifications period rapidly if there are many, in order to not drag out the process. However, the short timeframe for the changes would also make the round robin groups harder to complete as competitors would be asked to potentially build and play multiple series in a week, or 2 weeks. There is of course, also the option of doing a swiss style tournament, but I do not believe that would give an adequate sample size. There is no obligation to hold any tournament, I just personally believe that it would be an ideal, and fun way to develop the tier before reaching an acceptable status. If any does have other suggestions on how to do this, feel free to give them.
When sufficient replies have been received (ideally within 1-2 weeks), tiering actions will start being taken if any are required. Thanks to anyone constructively helping us improve ORAS Monotype !