Regigigas (Double Battle) Skill Swap?

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Skill Swap is a TM in which the user switches "skills" with a particular target. I was hanging out with some of my friends at a local card store today and the topic of using Regigigas in a Double Battle with the use of Skill Swap was brought up. It would allow Regigigas to sweep early. I figured that at the very least it could be used in a fun team, but it may have some use.

Here's a list of Pokemon that learn Skill Swap from a TM in Diamond and Pearl.

Learn by (PD): Abra Alakazam Azelf Baltoy Banette Blissey Bronzong Bronzor Butterfree Celebi Chansey Chimecho Chingling Claydol Cresselia Deoxys Deoxys (Attack) Deoxys (Defense) Deoxys (Speed) Drifblim Drifloon Drowzee Dusclops Dusknoir Duskull Espeon Exeggcute Exeggutor Gallade Gardevoir Gastly Gengar Girafarig Grumpig Haunter Hypno Jirachi Jynx Kadabra Kecleon Kirlia Lugia Lunatone Manaphy Mesprit Mew Mewtwo Mime Jr. Misdreavus Mismagius Mothim Mr. Mime Natu Ralts Shuppet Slowbro Slowking Slowpoke Smoochum Solrock Spinda Spoink Stantler Starmie Uxie Venomoth Venonat Wormadam Wormadam (Ground) Wormadam (Steel) Xatu

Thank you, Psypoke. Anyway, the ones that immediately caught my eye were Alakazam, Azelf, Blissey, Bronzong, Celebi, Cresselia, Deoxys, Dusknoir, Gardevoir, Gengar, Jirachi, Lugia, Mesprit, Uxie, Starmie, and Mew/two. Mostly because I've heard of most of them here. Particularly interesting was Gardevoir - I was wondering if perhaps Skill Swap would fade away if the Gardevoir in question had Trace.

Anyway, the idea is to Skill Swap so that Regigigas can be unleashed early. Preferably the Pokemon doing the swapping is a tank. Any ideas with this? Please don't hurt me if this is stupid...
 
It would have been a good idea. However, sadly, unlike most people believe, after Slow Start has activated when it is Skilled Swap the ability will already have taken effect so you will have to outstall Slow Start. When you switch out, you will assume the ability Slow Start once you switch back in. Good thinking however

An idea could be have an opponent's Ninjask. Have Gardevoir Trace the Ninjask Speed Boost, then SS that onto Regigigas. Then after 5 turns, you can effectively sweep
 
LocoUser said:
It would have been a good idea. However, sadly, unlike most people believe, after Slow Start has activated when it is Skilled Swap the ability will already have taken effect so you will have to outstall Slow Start. When you switch out, you will assume the ability Slow Start once you switch back in. Good thinking however

An idea could be have an opponent's Ninjask. Have Gardevoir Trace the Ninjask Speed Boost, then SS that onto Regigigas. Then after 5 turns, you can effectively sweep
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Thank you. I'm getting better at this, I think. Question is, can Regigigas survive five turns?
 
With 110 / 110 / 110 Defenses, it should be able to soak up most attacks. Run Thunder Wave on it, so that your chance is increased by crippling sweepers. Consider Confuse Ray as well.

252 HP / 100 Atk / 52 Spd with Jolly Nature sounds like a good idea, but I'm not completely sure
 
Yeah, it can attack but with the Attack stat lower to extremes, stalling out would be better;

~Thunder Wave
~Drain Punch
~Zen Headbutt
~Return / Confuse Ray / Substitute

Stall out Slow Start. Then Drain Punch away any residual damage. Substitute can take attacks even better, Confuse Ray to outstall even more, or Return for sweeping capabilitites. It isn't the best idea to Drain Punch during Slow Start, since it won't do too much healing even if used against a Weavile
 
What about this?

Regigigas @ Leftovers
-- Thunder Wave
-- Drain Punch
-- Zen Headbutt
-- Confuse Ray

Deoxys (Defense Form) @ Leftovers
-- Skill Swap
-- Seismic Toss
-- Psycho Shift
-- Night Shade

Deoxys swaps Pressure to Regigigas, making the opponent hesitant to attack it. Deoxys can take hits with it's 160 base defenses, and at the same time deal Night Shades and Seismic Tosses. Psycho Shift in case it is status'd. Critque, please.
 
iirc in PBR it works different (i.e. you can skill swap Slow Start and it will remove the effects.)

But even then, that's pretty much the same as trying to skill swap Slaking last gen. It just doesn't work. You opponent will almost never allow you to set it up. A scarfed Medicham swapping Pure Power is probably the most promising choice, but even then the prolific Fake Out shuts you down and Medicham goes down hard to almost any decent attack.

Assume you've set up Regigigas. You now have one Uber-strength pokemon and one worthless pokemon. I don't know if it's worth it when you're staring into the face of, for example, a team that just Rain Danced last turn and now is not only faster than you but both of whose members hit just as hard as Regigigas.

I suppose you could make the skill swapper an annoyer so that after you've swapped Regigigas would have some sleep/burn/par support, but even then you still run the risk of something exploding on you or Faking you Out or not being phased by status because of a (very common) Lum Berry.

And yeah right at the idea of Regigigas lasting 5 turns. In 2v2.
 
On the other hand, you can look at it as 2 Dragon Dances. It effectively doubles Regigigas's attack and speed in a single turn. Though, setting stuff up in 2x battle sounds pretty... crappy...

Nonetheless, if Skill Swap becomes useful in 1v1 for whatever reason, then you'll have to worry about skill swapping as they switch in Regigigas. Personally, I don't see that happening, but for Regigiga's sake, lets hope for it :-p
 
IMO there are better choices that Skill Swappers for this.

You could always try Worry Seed Sceptile, which avoids Sceptile having to worry about its speed being cut and adds a handy sleep immunity to your Regigias.

Also this is probably the other use for Inner Focus Alakazam, do the swap without fear of flinching @ Focus Sash just like you would for counter. Then the next turn it can throw Slow Start onto one of the enemy Pokes before dying/switching. That said Sceptile is probably still better.
 
For Regigigas, Why dont people just try Protect, Chesto Rest, and 2 attack moves.

You have five sucky turns so Protect, Attack, Protect, Attack, Rest on the 5th turn (which you will be last). Your life bar becomes full and you get ur speed back the next turn with full health to sweep.
 
RaikouLover said:
For Regigigas, Why dont people just try Protect, Chesto Rest, and 2 attack moves.

You have five sucky turns so Protect, Attack, Protect, Attack, Rest on the 5th turn (which you will be last). Your life bar becomes full and you get ur speed back the next turn with full health to sweep.
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Regigigas can neither protect nor rest.
 
Regigigas learns neither Protect nor Rest.

Slaking would be a more useful target of Skill Swap, I would say, because after you Skill Swap, your ally loafs, then you can Skill Swap Truant on to the enemy. Slaking also has a decent movepool in Bulk Up, Return, Earthquake, and Shadow Claw.
 
Wow, some legendary... two most basic moves. i guess they knew that would make him Uber. Yea don't bother just skill swap on slaking.
 
It would have been a good idea. However, sadly, unlike most people believe, after Slow Start has activated when it is Skilled Swap the ability will already have taken effect so you will have to outstall Slow Start.

This was a glitch in the Japanese version. In the English games, if you Skill Swap Slow Start away, your stats return to normal.
 
There is another move, Gastro Acid, that would mean that you wouldn't have to have another Pokémon with Slow Start after the Skill Swap. The move basically suppresses the foe's ability. The best users of it are probably Cradily and Shuckle, Cradily moreso. This applies equally to Truant.
 
Callum said:
There is another move, Gastro Acid, that would mean that you wouldn't have to have another Pokémon with Slow Start after the Skill Swap. The move basically suppresses the foe's ability. The best users of it are probably Cradily and Shuckle, Cradily moreso. This applies equally to Truant.
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So your ally would use Gastro Acid on Regigigas/Slakoth, correct?

Interesting. It would allow for a faster setup. Lemme think...

Regigigas
-- Giga Impact
-- Superpower
-- Fire Punch
-- Ice Punch

Cradily
-- Gastro Acid
-- Confuse Ray
-- Recover
-- Endure

Endure is for things that go boom. First turn, Cradily Gastro Acids Regigigas. It's going to go last, I know. After that, Cradily swaps out. (Wait - if you swap out, does Gastro Acid go away?) I'm not quite sure on this. By the way, you guys are free to beat on me at any time if I sound like a complete idiot.
 
Don't use Super Power or Giga Impact. Use Return and something else like Thunder Wave, Focus Punch, Substitute, or if it learns eitherof them, Brick Break or Thunderpunch.
 
I took a few minutes to think of how you can stall 5 turns in 2v2 but all i could think is a team full of "follow me" users.

Regigigas
-Thunder wave
-Confuse ray
-attack of choice
-attack of choice
Unsure of EVs, defense not too important though as you shouldn't be taking that many direct hits.

First turn you thunder wave the enemy you hate most.

Clefable @ Lum Berry
-Follow Me
-Filler
-Filler
-Filler
Max Defenses

Follow me first turn, Has the defenses to take maybe 1 hit, though its dead if both attack. Lum berry for the sleep move that may come. With luck you may survive the first turn and can follow me again, don't worry about stat uppers yet.

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
-Follow Me
-Fake Out
-Filler
-Filler

Bring this guy in and fake out the enemy that isn't Thunder waved and have the thunder waved one confused. Next turn follow me again but if the parafused pogey is still in you might survive the attacks to follow me again next turn. Again don't worry about stat uppers yet...

Persian @ Focus Sash
-Fake out
-Psych up
-Return
-Shadow Claw
Max Speed

Fake out for the same reason as Smeargle then psych up anyone who has been thinking "lol Regigigas and Follow me" and statted up to the eyeballs. Hopefully focus sash allows you to survive and Regigigas has got it going so you can beat the stat upper and finish off the rest.

Well this is the best I could think up for stadium mode and its beat by many, many, many things but hey its Regigigas and he's a piece of shit. Oh well, at least it might work if theres no sandstream/ghosts/pokemon other than luvdisc.

EDIT: lol normal type power!
 
If you're doing all that set up, why not just set up a Bellyzard, pass a Belly Drum to Rayquaza and just EQ everything, or use a Pokemon with Endeavor?
 
Obi said:
If you're doing all that set up, why not just set up a Bellyzard, pass a Belly Drum to Rayquaza and just EQ everything, or use a Pokemon with Endeavor?
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It's hypothetical. I like going over Pokemon that I find interesting to see if they have any use in certain situations.
 
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