Tournaments RBYPL V - Commencement Thread

free bo3 gentleman's please...
To elaborate; I think if best of 5 is forced there will be a very large amount of signup deletes from players who don't want to play bo5, which would decrease the quality of some of the tiers significantly. Especially PU which already had a dire looking pool before Bo5s were forced.
 
It’s disappointing that we are forced into Bo5 for lower tiers instead of just allowing the gentleman’s - many people who signed up don’t want Bo5 and are now forced into. Others like me now have no interest in playing RBY UU for this tour (UU had significantly less fervor for a Bo5 and I’m not sure why it’s being grouped in). It’s not because we don’t “like” the tier - it’s because we don’t want to bother with that kind of time commitment. Please allow players to play Bo3 unless you want only the die hardest RBY players participating in lower tiers for this tour.
 
Want to bring up a proposition. 20k single buys and 45k double buys. I know I know it's almost definitely too late to bring this up but I didn't think of it until now (and I don't expect it to be implemented because of this).

Wrt GSCPL, some users like Isa have made pretty convincing arguments for this. I am not strictly a supporter of it but I see merit in many of the arguments.

For one, each team has 130k cash. This makes a higher self-buy cost both more manageable and less of a sometimes-crazy steal to buy a manager.

Of course, the main reason to do this is that guaranteed locking yourself a player or two (who are quite likely some of the best available) before the auction even starts is arguably unfair. RBYPL also clearly is not struggling with incentive for manager signup (not like this is relevant anymore atp because managers have been chosen). There should debatably be a somewhat strict punish to being able to bypass the auction like this, especially for single buys which are proportionally significantly less punishing than a double buy.

Now, I'm not a super hard advocate of this (and of course being a manager has some effect on my opinion), but I believe it could be worth considering. The main reasons to not do this is that taking away more cash from the managers has a small negative impact on the amount of people who end up being drafted and allowed to participate, some of which almost definitely being first-timers, which to an extent goes against the goal of this tournament to bring community development and growth.

But yes, at this point it probably shouldn't happen since manager signups are already over. I encourage this for next RBYPL though at the very least.
 
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Want to bring up a proposition. 20k single buys and 45k double buys. I know I know it's almost definitely too late to bring this up but I didn't think of it until now (and I don't expect it to be implemented because of this).

Wrt GSCPL, some users like Isa have made pretty convincing arguments for this. I am not strictly a supporter of it but I see merit in many of the arguments.

For one, each team has 130k cash. This makes a higher self-buy cost both more manageable and less of a sometimes-crazy steal to buy a manager.

Of course, the main reason to do this is that guaranteed locking yourself a player or two (who are quite likely some of the best available) before the auction even starts is arguably unfair. RBYPL also clearly is not struggling with incentive for manager signup (not like this is relevant anymore atp because managers have been chosen). There should debatably be a somewhat strict punish to being able to bypass the auction like this, especially for single buys which are proportionally significantly less punishing than a double buy.

Now, I'm not a super hard advocate of this (and of course being a manager has some effect on my opinion), but I believe it could be worth considering. The main reasons to not do this is that taking away more cash from the managers has a small negative impact on the amount of people who end up being drafted and allowed to participate, some of which almost definitely being first-timers, which to an extent goes against the goal of this tournament to bring community development and growth.
Without getting into your proposal specifically, it is too late to change the rules regarding self-buys at this stage.

Please bring this up during next year's format discussion, and we will consider the proposal.
 
Want to bring up a proposition. 20k single buys and 45k double buys. I know I know it's almost definitely too late to bring this up but I didn't think of it until now (and I don't expect it to be implemented because of this).

Wrt GSCPL, some users like Isa have made pretty convincing arguments for this. I am not strictly a supporter of it but I see merit in many of the arguments.

For one, each team has 130k cash. This makes a higher self-buy cost both more manageable and less of a sometimes-crazy steal to buy a manager.

Of course, the main reason to do this is that guaranteed locking yourself a player or two (who are quite likely some of the best available) before the auction even starts is arguably unfair. RBYPL also clearly is not struggling with incentive for manager signup (not like this is relevant anymore atp because managers have been chosen). There should debatably be a somewhat strict punish to being able to bypass the auction like this, especially for single buys which are proportionally significantly less punishing than a double buy.

Now, I'm not a super hard advocate of this (and of course being a manager has some effect on my opinion), but I believe it could be worth considering. The main reasons to not do this is that taking away more cash from the managers has a small negative impact on the amount of people who end up being drafted and allowed to participate, some of which almost definitely being first-timers, which to an extent goes against the goal of this tournament to bring community development and growth.

But yes, at this point it probably shouldn't happen since manager signups are already over. I encourage this for next RBYPL though at the very least.
Sorry Bee but rare L. Not even touching upon the lateness of it it's been pointed out, I think even for next year this idea is bad. Only one team out of 6 to my knowledge is double self buying; 40k is already a huge dent in the credits, even with strong players as managers. What you're proposing is over a 1/3rd of the budget gone for less than a 6th of the final squad. Increasing it I think would simply deter people from applying to manage in future. We had 8 applicant pairs last year, 7 this year. There's not a whole lot of leeway there. The balance of self buy/retain and costs is pretty much perfect rn imo
 
free bo3 gentleman's please...
To elaborate; I think if best of 5 is forced there will be a very large amount of signup deletes from players who don't want to play bo5, which would decrease the quality of some of the tiers significantly. Especially PU which already had a dire looking pool before Bo5s were forced.
It’s disappointing that we are forced into Bo5 for lower tiers instead of just allowing the gentleman’s - many people who signed up don’t want Bo5 and are now forced into. Others like me now have no interest in playing RBY UU for this tour (UU had significantly less fervor for a Bo5 and I’m not sure why it’s being grouped in). It’s not because we don’t “like” the tier - it’s because we don’t want to bother with that kind of time commitment. Please allow players to play Bo3 unless you want only the die hardest RBY players participating in lower tiers for this tour.
Yeah I don't see why it couldn't have been BO3 default with BO5 gentleman. Maybe I'm just biased bc I have low stamina but BO3 sets already take a long time. I've played a few BO5 sets (multiple of which went to game 5) and they were absolutely exhausting.
Bo5 low tiers is kinda crazy. I think there’s a very large portion of people, including myself, that will no longer sign up. Reconsider please

Let's look at the responses from prominent LT players regarding Best of 5 RBY UU/NU/PU in the signups thread:

Sabelette - Yes
Tree69420 - Yes
Maris Bonibell - Yes
gastlies - Yes
BigFatMantis - No
pac - No
BeeOrSomething - No
Gangsta Spongebob - Yes
Mashing - Yes
chub - Doesn't care
Sceptross - Yes
torkonpeter - yes
nicole7735 - Yes
DiannieRatson - Yes
Teh - No
Copen - Yes
Ctown6 - Yes
Volk - No
Mendeez - No
NotVeryCake - No
Cao Jie - No
phoopes - No
Serpi - Yes
BeatsBlack - No
Toxin Boost - Yes
kjdaas - Yes
Mikon - No answer
Shellnuts - Yes
Ice Yazu - Doesn't care
Melbelle - Yes
Torchic - No
Dawn Dreams - No

Additionally, if we take a took at the Format Discussion thread, Best of 5 was more popular (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) than not, (1, 2, 3, 4) especially when factoring in the two of the four negative posts focused strictly on RBY UU and another began with "This is self-interested, but".

Based on the above, factoring in quality and quantity of responses, the best option for RBYPL V is with Best of 5 RBY UU/RBY NU/RBY PU.

I would love to hear more about this theory that Best of 5 will force "a very large amount" / "a very large portion" of people to delete their signups, especially as the current pushback has been the same four (4) people. Of these same four (4) people, one is managing, another was unsure of signing up as far back as the format discussion thread, and another who "doesn't care that much about it since I personally am only interested in playing Rands".
 
Let's look at the responses from prominent LT players regarding Best of 5 RBY UU/NU/PU in the signups thread:

Sabelette - Yes
Tree69420 - Yes
Maris Bonibell - Yes
gastlies - Yes
BigFatMantis - No
pac - No
BeeOrSomething - No
Gangsta Spongebob - Yes
Mashing - Yes
chub - Doesn't care
Sceptross - Yes
torkonpeter - yes
nicole7735 - Yes
DiannieRatson - Yes
Teh - No
Copen - Yes
Ctown6 - Yes
Volk - No
Mendeez - No
NotVeryCake - No
Cao Jie - No
phoopes - No
Serpi - Yes
BeatsBlack - No
Toxin Boost - Yes
kjdaas - Yes
Mikon - No answer
Shellnuts - Yes
Ice Yazu - Doesn't care
Melbelle - Yes
Torchic - No
Dawn Dreams - No

Additionally, if we take a took at the Format Discussion thread, Best of 5 was more popular (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) than not, (1, 2, 3, 4) especially when factoring in the two of the four negative posts focused strictly on RBY UU and another began with "This is self-interested, but".

Based on the above, factoring in quality and quantity of responses, the best option for RBYPL V is with Best of 5 RBY UU/RBY NU/RBY PU.

I would love to hear more about this theory that Best of 5 will force "a very large amount" / "a very large portion" of people to delete their signups, especially as the current pushback has been the same four (4) people. Of these same four (4) people, one is managing, another was unsure of signing up as far back as the format discussion thread, and another who "doesn't care that much about it since I personally am only interested in playing Rands".

The doubling down here is crazy. You have a good chunk of players in your list that don’t want to play Bo5. You are now forcing them to play Bo5. Breaking this down as a simple “what’s more popular” option is a terrible way to handle it because one option (Bo5) actually makes some people not want to play at all, whereas the other option does not do this. And I’m still not sure why UU was grouped into this when it seemed in both format discussion thread and signups that it’s not terribly popular for a Bo5. If the argument was to do this for all lower tiers, then why wasn’t Ubers also included? And we haven’t even gotten into how deceptive the sign up thread question even was. It doesn’t say “do you want Bo5 to be mandatory”, it simply states “are you interested in Bo5.”

The best option was very obviously to allow people to gentlemen’s to Bo5 if they wanted to, while still allowing those with fewer free time available to commit to the tour ament to be able to default to Bo3. This has very few downsides. You already have 3 people not going to sign up and/or lock out lower tiers because of this decision, so obviously there are more to do so. And, for more casual players that don’t really follow this thread, they’ll probably be surprised when they are told they have to play Bo5 in a lower tier they’re thrown into (since there won’t be enough based on signups to throw every Bo5 enthusiast in there).

And to respond to your remarks about me only wanting to play Rands, yes I did say that in the format discussion thread 3 weeks ago, but since then I’ve grown more fond of UU. But I am too busy to commit to a Bo5 every week with it - and I’m not the only one.
 
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btw, i don't believe anyone truly has time for a bo3 but not a bo5, especially when you have a week to schedule around an absolute maximum of 30 minutes extra (but more often than not, less)

Do you want a copy of my work schedule and my other commitments? 30 minutes extra is not something a lot of people want to plan around. It’s maybe fine for you, but not everybody wants to deal with that around their other stuff.

The people now posting memes copy pasting other people’s concerns is pretty crazy disrespectful also and not that helpful to the discussion.
 
Bo5 lowers is for less volatility, if you play lowers you should clearly understand this. Being robbed by rng in a bo3 is more likely and bo5 makes it way more worthwhile to spend on proven players. Don’t get me wrong id rather put forks in my eyes than play 5 games of uu, but if everyone wants bo3 there better be no whining when your teams gets dumped out of playoffs because of a scandalous lower tier match
 
another began with "This is self-interested, but".
Say what you want about best-of-five, but it's really lame to penalize my post for being intellectually honest about the fact that this is largely a matter of opinion. Everyone who posted had posted an opinion regarding which format they prefer, which is self-interested.

I have other gripes about how that list of players was compiled as well as other stuff, but I don't think restating those points will accomplish much at this point. I've made them all already in the RBY Discord if you want to read them. I think we understand each other, but no one seems to want to budge.

I'll still be signing up regardless. Either format will be fun. It's not worth dying on this hill.
 
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