c+>ptless uu(altpl)>>>current uu2. Upcoming VR should be here before any tours bar the spotlight, anyway, and that may affect the tier to a way bigger degree; how do people feel about C+, for those who have played both regular UU and C+?
the fact fast mons arent used less (they are, but not by a huge amount. you cant pretend there is literally 0 change) isn't the same as saying banning pt improves nothing. id rather play a meta with fast mons and no wrap than fast mons and wrap. also altpl has seen a marked increase in slow mons, mostly the slow waters, and at the end of the day it's an improvement on the basis its not a meta largely dependent on wrap "mindgames" regardless of whether kad/dug/pers usage drops.
first ill address the thing this is actually saying then ramble:I think waiting for the OU VR results makes some sense, but a supermajority also favors banning Wrap for being uncompetitive
the fact a supermajority, in this meta, desires a wrap suspect means it should happen. how future metagames pan out shouldn't be a factor when in the present people want action.
the only reason i see to wait for ou vr to conclude is because of the handful of people saying pt should only be banned if a c+-like meta becomes reality. i dont like this reasoning at all and also suspect it's just a small minority anyway. we have the data here where 55% say to ban all pt and more spread out votes which all at least agree the main problematic move, wrap, should be banned. im pretty content if just wrap is banned despite wanting it all gone.
if you vote to not ban wrap because you want to actually make lap/hyp/bro/whatever else meta "official" before taking action, you completely lack any foresight.
i still believe a meta where nothing drops from ou (very very unlikely) but we ban pt and unban the UUBLs is still a serious improvement. lapras and hypno still offer some stability to a tier lacking any, even if the lack of bro may still make the meta still a little too lopsided into aggression, the alternative of unbanning nothing and keeping wrap solves literally nothing. for this reason i also believe should wrap be banned we should instantly unban the UUBLs and play the spotlight with it, soon after spotlight ends, OU should be complete its vr and we can allow drops as well.
it makes no sense really to have your vote down to whether or not slowbro is legal when we can improve the tier with or without it.
banning wrap is simply an inevitability if we want a healthy meta whether that's through unbanning things or banning things (kang,pers,dodo,kad,dug,nite,etc,etc). wrap's healthiness does not depend on slowbro, do you seriously believe the only options are no wrap+slowbro or keep wrap and uubls banned, and tier from there? you cant ban anything fast or tent instantly becomes too much, and banning all the slow hard hitting stuff just pushes the tier more towards fast mons. tiering with wrap is a lose lose regardless of what is targeted. to improve from here wrap needs to go. (banning tent and maybe nite is technically an option to keep wrap, though)
that said, i think altpl's meta is still an improvement to current uu so for me wrap/pt's fate isn't dependent on anything related to the UUBLs or OU drops.
as a said note im
Edit: Oh yeah here's the comments from the end of the survey
im genuinely quitting uu if wrap or at least tent stay legal
can we just do a ranked choice vote between wrap/all pt/no action or what they did for tera and vote action/no action then vote between ban wrap or all pt (even if you voted no action, you vote your preference in the case action wins)I'm open to whatever thoughts people have, though, and I hope people enjoy the data.
ex:
No action
Ban Wrap
Ban all PT
(if no action wins, nothing happens. if action wins, count up votes on the second part, majority wins for what action is taken)
only other thing i wanna say is how to handle APT needs to be decided if only wrap is banned and fire spin is kept
unban it