I agree that some questions are unintelligent, but the side it is picking is clear for pretty much all of them. Supporting business is conservative, supporting "morals" is conservative, supporting art and astrology is liberal (for the latter more like fucking purposely ignorant), supporting homosexuals is liberal, et cetera.
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I agree that some questions are unintelligent, but the side it is picking is clear for pretty much all of them. Supporting business is conservative, supporting "morals" is conservative, supporting art and astrology is liberal (for the latter more like fucking purposely ignorant), supporting homosexuals is liberal, et cetera.
I'm skeptical of the whole premise of the vertical axis, which seems like a superfluous method to inflate the relevance of a particular notion of libertarianism that's popular in some corners of the internet but barely exists in real world politics. Just looking at the big graph of Smogon users so far, if you drew a trend line there would be a clear correlation between the two scores. Also, a lot of the analysis on the quiz site seems baseless to the point of absurdity. I realize that the Democratic Party in the United States is actually quite milquetoast, but the notion that Bernies Sanders is in the upper right quadrant seems very hard to believe. Did you know the Democratic Senators from Arkansas are less opposed to legal abortion, gay rights and abstract art than the ones from New York but more opposed than Ron Paul? By the way, isn't Chuck Schumer awfully close to Hitler there? Don't even get me started on this thing...
I've noted that you have labeled his views themselves as trolling and not his conduct. :/
This makes me want to heavily scrutinize your comment about it not coming down to difference of opinion (which should be respected).
If you present your views as trolling, then they essentially are trolling, and I have never had a problem treating essentially same matters as absolutely same (it saves a lot of effort).
(Although I apologize, I thought this was a firebot thread, so the initial post was a direct flame for that reason).
(Although I apologize, I thought this was a firebot thread, so the initial post was a direct flame for that reason).
I'm skeptical of the whole premise of the vertical axis, which seems like a superfluous method to inflate the relevance of a particular notion of libertarianism that's popular in some corners of the internet but barely exists in real world politics. Just looking at the big graph of Smogon users so far, if you drew a trend line there would be a clear correlation between the two scores. Also, a lot of the analysis on the quiz site seems baseless to the point of absurdity. I realize that the Democratic Party in the United States is actually quite milquetoast, but the notion that Bernies Sanders is in the upper right quadrant seems very hard to believe. Did you know the Democratic Senators from Arkansas are less opposed to legal abortion, gay rights and abstract art than the ones from New York but more opposed than Ron Paul? By the way, isn't Chuck Schumer awfully close to Hitler there? Don't even get me started on this thing...
While your assesment of the placement of various individuals may be correct, I think that the vertical axis is absolutely relevant and to deny that that aspect of politics exists is rather ignorant. While officials from the Libertarian Party may not be elected very often at all, they certainly exist and have differet views on various subjects than Republicans/Democrats. I realize that you probably just want to separate politicians into Republicans/Democrats so you can view them as "bad guys" and "good guys", but the truth is there are countless shades of gray and there is almost no one who is completely conservative or completely liberal.
I'm more surprised I wasn't on here already. Here was my score from the last time I took the test:
Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87
EDIT: I retook it again. I'm assuming the shift is mostly because of all the TSA bullshit with groping people in the name of security, plus maybe slightly different Strongly answers.
Economic Left/Right: 5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87
EDIT: I retook it again. I'm assuming the shift is mostly because of all the TSA bullshit with groping people in the name of security, plus maybe slightly different Strongly answers.
Economic Left/Right: 5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Btw. insofar as the test itself is constructed:
No opinion/Not Sure doesn't exist for a reason. The test is trying to find out your base inclinations about corporations, government, and various social mores and societal issues. No opinion/Not Sure is equivalent to giving no data at all rather than being centrist. Actually it's probably the notion there exists a "centrist" philosophy at all that aggravates me most. I can respect people who believe in something (even if I think that something is entirely errant and ridiculous). I can't respect people whose policy is basically political opportunism masked as "above-it-all" centrism.
I know CK is just baiting me, but I do consider him an expert on the subject of presenting views at trolling. You just can't fight that kind of experience :) . Hell, he even said the post was a flame. Flame on dude, Flame on. I have Flash Fire.
I agree with SSBM Roy though the test is considerably suspect when it comes to the wording of some questions, but I think in general the trend line is just reality. You get a lot of your view input from your circle of friends and usually social policy leads fiscal policy, not the other way around. You rarely associate with people because you appreciate their sound fiscal decisions, you more likely associate with them because you think they are morally upstanding people.
No opinion/Not Sure doesn't exist for a reason. The test is trying to find out your base inclinations about corporations, government, and various social mores and societal issues. No opinion/Not Sure is equivalent to giving no data at all rather than being centrist. Actually it's probably the notion there exists a "centrist" philosophy at all that aggravates me most. I can respect people who believe in something (even if I think that something is entirely errant and ridiculous). I can't respect people whose policy is basically political opportunism masked as "above-it-all" centrism.
I know CK is just baiting me, but I do consider him an expert on the subject of presenting views at trolling. You just can't fight that kind of experience :) . Hell, he even said the post was a flame. Flame on dude, Flame on. I have Flash Fire.
I agree with SSBM Roy though the test is considerably suspect when it comes to the wording of some questions, but I think in general the trend line is just reality. You get a lot of your view input from your circle of friends and usually social policy leads fiscal policy, not the other way around. You rarely associate with people because you appreciate their sound fiscal decisions, you more likely associate with them because you think they are morally upstanding people.
I really enjoy anything by Milton Friedman, and, to me, he makes a lot of sense
The government is just so fucking bad at just about every god damn thing there is
It is not about trying to paint people as something, they paint themselves. Someone who believes someone does not have the sexual freedom to do as they please in their own homes is a deluded (and usually bitter prick of a) man, and views like that generally do genuinely lead to "bad people"...hateful people who want to tell people that it is not all right to live. A more gray area question would be like the homemaker one...that person could be just passively ignorant, schooled in "old values" to the point of no return, or a sexist bad person. Also uh I just realized this whole paragraph was pointless because you fundamentally misunderstood SSBM_Roy. SSBM_Roy was not detracting from Libertarians, but was rather saying that this test is detracting from Libertarians by being small minded and simplistic and getting ideas wrong.
Deck_Knight, I have never presented a false idea about philosophy in my life; I feel no need to sully my beliefs and ideas for petty self-amusement. The only way I intentionally mislead people is by pretending not to get what they mean, like when randoms private message me and I ask them what they think about Spider-Man and/or Mary Jane and/or his best villains if they want an answer out of me.
I thought some of the questions were pretty stupid, and there were a few that I could not accurately answer due to my lack of knowledge in the subject (it was mainly in the subject of economics). For example, as Firestorm said above, the Homemaker one was really stupid. Also, in terms of questions dealing with Abortion, or Sex before Marriage, I did not know how to answer those. Would I answer in terms of how I would deal with these issues, or how society in whole should? As a Christian, I would oppose sex before marriage, or pornography; however, in terms of society as a whole, I would have to agree that sex before marriage breaks no laws in this nation, nor does pornography of consenting adults, and homosexuals adopting kids either. In the end, I answered in terms of what society should be able to do, not in terms of my own religious morals, (if you're not religious, you should not be restricted by my ruhttp://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.88&soc=-2.10les). If I had answered it by my religious principles, I would definitely appear more right winged.
i got about 3 questions in and decided id rather have the government do it for me
There are some aspects of this test that are a bit retarded. I mean, in some respects I could be considered authoritarian; a pragmatic government that transcends the pettiness of politics might be just the thing we need to sort out our problems. However, because many of the questions about social authoritarianism relate to idiotic conservative values such as corporal punishment, capital punishment and homophobia...
Anyway, my score:
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41
Anyway, my score:
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41
Would have sworn I posted here.
Some questions I didn't like, such as the multinational corporations and globalization thing (strongly agree implies that corporations and humanity are necessarily opposed, which is not true, but strongly disagree implies that corporate interests do NOT run counter to larger social interests), and some of the moral questions were a bit too complex to answer within the framework the test gives, but read em and weep.
Also, Ron Paul *above* the libertarian axis is beyond laughable.
Oh lol, from what I read he was basically saying that Libertarians/Authoritarians did not exist and that the scale was only left to right.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.23
Apparently I am a somewhat Communist, slightly Facist person.
Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.23
Apparently I am a somewhat Communist, slightly Facist person.