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Hahahaha! Finally, a set that cannot fail! Can. Not. Fail.
Arceus @ Steel Plate
Impish
252 HP/4 ATK/252 DEF
- Aerial Ace
- Hail
- Recover
Fuhohoho. Caterpie can't 4HKO with max attack/choice band, all crits Bug Bite. Simply Aerial Ace, Hail to remove Focus Bands from the equation, and Recover if neccessary. It's foolproof.
Arceus @ Steel Plate
Impish
252 HP/4 ATK/252 DEF
- Aerial Ace
- Hail
- Recover
Fuhohoho. Caterpie can't 4HKO with max attack/choice band, all crits Bug Bite. Simply Aerial Ace, Hail to remove Focus Bands from the equation, and Recover if neccessary. It's foolproof.
man that beats Weedle too!
Are there any sets for Darkrai to beat Primeape?
I know that Ape is often brought to Ubers to use as a Darkrai counter but those Darkrai are set up to deal with other Ubers.
Is there any way that, if well crafted, Darkrai could dominate its angry countering monkeypig?
Are there any sets for Darkrai to beat Primeape?
I know that Ape is often brought to Ubers to use as a Darkrai counter but those Darkrai are set up to deal with other Ubers.
Is there any way that, if well crafted, Darkrai could dominate its angry countering monkeypig?
Caterpie @ King's Rock
-String Shot
-Tackle
-Bug Bite
Turn 1 - String Shot.
Turn 2-12 - Bug Bite Critical Flinch.
Arceus needs Substitute as well.
If caterpie is holding a King's Rock then there will be no Focus Band haxxing and Arceus could simply Extremespeed.
@Vratix: But the fact is that you didn't have Extremespeed on your Arceus.
Arceus has several sets that will 100% dominate Caterpie, but not the one mentioned.
252/252 HP/Def with Hail or Sandstorm / Sub / Recover / AA will beat Caterpie
as will Sub / Gravity / Recover / Toxic
Arceus has several sets that will 100% dominate Caterpie, but not the one mentioned.
252/252 HP/Def with Hail or Sandstorm / Sub / Recover / AA will beat Caterpie
as will Sub / Gravity / Recover / Toxic
Is Perish Song allowed in this? If so, can't Arceus just use an uber-defensive setup to dominate pretty much everything?
I've been trying to see if Arceus can defeat Mewtwo with this set:
Adamant Arceus @Spooky Plate
4-252-0-0-252-0
Shadow Force
Extreme Speed
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...
EVs are intended to maximise your attack and also Special Defense (Is there anything worse than Shadow Ball that Mewtwo can do to Ghost Arceus?) and then the last few are stuck in HP.
As you can see it's not finished but Shadow Force will do 90.9% - 107.2% to a Bold Mewtwo with 252 HP/Def while ExtremeSpeed hits it for 16.8% - 20%. The problem is stopping Mewtwo from using something like Barrier to up its defence first. Dunno if any of you guys can make this work somehow...
Edit: Just seen Punishment and had a thought, perhaps this set could force Mewtwo to stat-up and then smash it hard. Still trying to make it work, I don't think this would help if Mewtwo used Reflect though...
Re-Edit: May have to scrap this, just realised I completely understimated Protect/Detect's ability to foil Shadow Force...
I've been trying to see if Arceus can defeat Mewtwo with this set:
Adamant Arceus @Spooky Plate
4-252-0-0-252-0
Shadow Force
Extreme Speed
...
...
EVs are intended to maximise your attack and also Special Defense (Is there anything worse than Shadow Ball that Mewtwo can do to Ghost Arceus?) and then the last few are stuck in HP.
As you can see it's not finished but Shadow Force will do 90.9% - 107.2% to a Bold Mewtwo with 252 HP/Def while ExtremeSpeed hits it for 16.8% - 20%. The problem is stopping Mewtwo from using something like Barrier to up its defence first. Dunno if any of you guys can make this work somehow...
Edit: Just seen Punishment and had a thought, perhaps this set could force Mewtwo to stat-up and then smash it hard. Still trying to make it work, I don't think this would help if Mewtwo used Reflect though...
Re-Edit: May have to scrap this, just realised I completely understimated Protect/Detect's ability to foil Shadow Force...
Sorry for the double post but I just thought of this:
Modest/Adamant Arceus @Spooky Plate
4-252-0-252-0-0
Judgment
Extreme Speed
Punishment
Recover
The idea is to pound Mewtwo with Ghost Judgment/Extreme Speed, forcing it to Amnesia if it wants to stay alive. If it doesn't boost its stats I'm pretty sure it'll go down pretty quickly to the above combo and if it does it'll get a nasty Punishment in return. Any way I've overlooked that Mewtwo can beat this?
Edit: Recover looks like the best bet in slot 4 to heal off the relatively pathetic Shadow Balls this Mewtwo may somehow throw at Arceus, if it can afford to attack that is.
Modest/Adamant Arceus @Spooky Plate
4-252-0-252-0-0
Judgment
Extreme Speed
Punishment
Recover
The idea is to pound Mewtwo with Ghost Judgment/Extreme Speed, forcing it to Amnesia if it wants to stay alive. If it doesn't boost its stats I'm pretty sure it'll go down pretty quickly to the above combo and if it does it'll get a nasty Punishment in return. Any way I've overlooked that Mewtwo can beat this?
Edit: Recover looks like the best bet in slot 4 to heal off the relatively pathetic Shadow Balls this Mewtwo may somehow throw at Arceus, if it can afford to attack that is.
Remember that in gen 4 Arceus has the 100 EV Cap. It would have to be 100/100/100/100/100/10 instead.
EDIT: This one is beaten by:
Mewtwo @ Leftovers
Specially Defensive
-Toxic
-Recover
Because Judgement never 2HKOs.
EDIT: This one is beaten by:
Mewtwo @ Leftovers
Specially Defensive
-Toxic
-Recover
Because Judgement never 2HKOs.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "100 EV Cap". Does that mean that you can only give arceus 100 EV's (for all of it's stats)?? I've never trained an arceus (never really got into ubers), so I'm honestly not sure.
Perish Song won't work because it'll just cause a tie.
And yes, you can only give Arceus 100 EVs in its stats (up to 510 total) because you only get it legally at level 100 and you can't EV train a level 100 Pokemon in 4th gen. No the Box Trick does not work because you only gain EVs if you gain exp and level 100 Pokemon don't gain exp.
And yes, you can only give Arceus 100 EVs in its stats (up to 510 total) because you only get it legally at level 100 and you can't EV train a level 100 Pokemon in 4th gen. No the Box Trick does not work because you only gain EVs if you gain exp and level 100 Pokemon don't gain exp.
Even without the restriction, it is beaten by the same Mewtwo with Protect.
Fair enough, I still reckon it might be possible somehow though.
I don't think that it can. Mewtwo just has too high a support movepool, and it is faster.
Lol, that is hilarious.
Why not run Tanga Berry on Deoxys? Tanga Berry, physically defensive spread, Knock Off, Aerial Ace, Extremespeed.
Which move do you plan to use first?
The thing is that Caterpie can survive an aerial ace while 2HKOing with Bug Bite even with tanga (as long as one of the 2 bug bites scores critical hit).
I.e. Adamant 252 Attack 252 Def Caterpie holding Bright Powder VS 252 HP 4 Attack 252 Def Deoxys-A.
Turn 1: Knock Off Misses. Bug Bite #1 Tanga activates.
Turn 2: Aerial Ace, Caterpie survives. Bug Bite #2. As long as one of the 2 bug bites gets critical hit, then, it's not 100% win for Deoxys-A.
EDIT: Also, I somewhat doubt that Primeape can dominate Darkrai since Darkrai has access to Psychic and Sucker Punch. Most likely neither dominates over each other.
Shadow force goes through protect and detect and nullifies the protection until the end of the turn.
Just a quick one that I didn't put much thought into (probably correct but didn't think through everything):
Raikou dominates Gyarados with:
Bold @ Choice Scarf
252 HP 252 Def
- Thunderbolt
+1 (from Choice Band or DD) Gyarados Earthquake does 92.7% max to Raikou.
Thunderbolt always 2HKOs regardless of berry, etc.
Raikou dominates Gyarados with:
Bold @ Choice Scarf
252 HP 252 Def
- Thunderbolt
+1 (from Choice Band or DD) Gyarados Earthquake does 92.7% max to Raikou.
Thunderbolt always 2HKOs regardless of berry, etc.
We've differentiated between 100% domination and 50% domination. What Chinese Dood is talking about is a set that will beat any Gyarados a majority of the time. And I think it does. The ones above were just because we had not really had any 100% domination in a while.
EDIT:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Careful, 252 HP|252 SpDef
-Torment
-Toxic
-Protect
-Earthquake
Beats that Raikou just over 50% of the time, I think. I'll edit in with an exact number.
EDIT2:
Assume Thunderbolt hits the first turn.
Turn One: Thunderbolt, Torment. Gyara is at 25-82 HP, Raikou is at full health, but there is a 6.25% chance of a crit and a chance of ~5% that Gyara dies otherwise, so there is ~11% chance of Gyara dead.
Turn Two: Struggle, Toxic. There is a 17% chance Gyara is KO'd, and Gyara is at 25-83 HP, Raikou is at 69% (25% Struggle recoil, 6% Toxic)
Turn Three: Thunderbolt, Protect. Gyara is at 49-107 HP, Raikou is at 57%
Turn Four: Struggle, Earthquake. Gyara survives easily, Raikou loses 25% (Struggle) + 18% (Toxic) + 40% min (EQ) => Raikou KO'd.
This gives a 0.95*(0.11+0.17) chance of Gyara losing, because of the chance Thunderbolt misses Turn One, and this equals 27% chance. If Struggle crits one Turn Two, there is a roughly 1/2 chance of Gyara dying, so 0.0625*1/2*0.95 can be added, bringing the total to 30%. Also, if Thunderbolt paralyses, it makes no difference unless Gyara is fully paralysed, which adds a further (1-0.75^4)*0.1*0.95, bringing it finally to 37%.
Therefore, it does not dominate with that set.
EDIT:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Careful, 252 HP|252 SpDef
-Torment
-Toxic
-Protect
-Earthquake
Beats that Raikou just over 50% of the time, I think. I'll edit in with an exact number.
EDIT2:
Assume Thunderbolt hits the first turn.
Turn One: Thunderbolt, Torment. Gyara is at 25-82 HP, Raikou is at full health, but there is a 6.25% chance of a crit and a chance of ~5% that Gyara dies otherwise, so there is ~11% chance of Gyara dead.
Turn Two: Struggle, Toxic. There is a 17% chance Gyara is KO'd, and Gyara is at 25-83 HP, Raikou is at 69% (25% Struggle recoil, 6% Toxic)
Turn Three: Thunderbolt, Protect. Gyara is at 49-107 HP, Raikou is at 57%
Turn Four: Struggle, Earthquake. Gyara survives easily, Raikou loses 25% (Struggle) + 18% (Toxic) + 40% min (EQ) => Raikou KO'd.
This gives a 0.95*(0.11+0.17) chance of Gyara losing, because of the chance Thunderbolt misses Turn One, and this equals 27% chance. If Struggle crits one Turn Two, there is a roughly 1/2 chance of Gyara dying, so 0.0625*1/2*0.95 can be added, bringing the total to 30%. Also, if Thunderbolt paralyses, it makes no difference unless Gyara is fully paralysed, which adds a further (1-0.75^4)*0.1*0.95, bringing it finally to 37%.
Therefore, it does not dominate with that set.
I went to take a shower just now... just thought of something, lol.
Gyarados @ Wacan Careful 252/252 with Torment / Protect / EQ.... beats that Raikou up easily and badly.
So, I guess, Raikou should try to go for the offensive route:
Rash Raikou @ Expert Belt
100 Attack 68 Def 252 Special Attack 88 Speed
Thunder / Extremespeed
- Speed to outspeed Jolly Gyarados
- 68 Def lives through Adamant (choice scarf) Gyarados EQ with at least 1 HP.
- Thunder followed by -1 Extremespeed does like min 97% (max 116%-ish) to KO Careful 252/252 Gyarados, too lazy to do calcs now but most definitely >50% KOing Gyarados even after factoring the 70% accurate Thunder.
Gyarados @ Wacan Careful 252/252 with Torment / Protect / EQ.... beats that Raikou up easily and badly.
So, I guess, Raikou should try to go for the offensive route:
Rash Raikou @ Expert Belt
100 Attack 68 Def 252 Special Attack 88 Speed
Thunder / Extremespeed
- Speed to outspeed Jolly Gyarados
- 68 Def lives through Adamant (choice scarf) Gyarados EQ with at least 1 HP.
- Thunder followed by -1 Extremespeed does like min 97% (max 116%-ish) to KO Careful 252/252 Gyarados, too lazy to do calcs now but most definitely >50% KOing Gyarados even after factoring the 70% accurate Thunder.