NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Day 2 Votals (Final)
(6) genisu
: joey, Duskfall98, Laurel, Celever, Alice Kazumi, a fairy
(5) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT, M2H
(2) Celever: Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(1) Alice Kazumi: Clouds
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) bluedoom: ImaginaryNeon



To explain my perspective. There were 3 town on the minority wagons. So its like. The probably of all 4 mafia between the genisu/Shane wagons is high? It doesn't matter that people vote off wagon because math dictates that this is likely for me.

Shane is someone I townread D1 but ever since then he has p much been stuck on a tunnel on Celever. I have no idea how much confidence I can have in this.

Then the other option is Neon. If anyone would like to teach me on how to read Neon, be my guest lol.
 
Day 1 Votals (Final)
(8) pulsar512b
: bluedoom, genisu, joey, Duskfall98, Celever, M2H, a fairy, StupidFlandrs48
(5) Celever: Clouds, Shane the Shroomish, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT
(2) genisu: saberslasher11, pulsar512b
(1) JALMONT: Alice Kazumi
(1) joey: Laurel
(1) ImaginaryNeon: ImaginaryNeon

After much deliberation, you decide to vote out pulsar.

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pulsar512b - Magnezone, Town Barista - Lynched Day 1!

Night 1 begins now. You have around
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gonna reply to you over multiple posts cos I’m on phone but good post tbh lol

Honestly looking at this EoD1 votecount is a little wild in hindsight. Pulsar, who is flipped town, has flipped town (genisu) and greenchecked (Tommy) and outside of that the wagon feels kinda pure FMPOV. We also now know that genisu was town being voted by 2 town. The off-wagons are Alice, Laurel, and Neon, and maybe they look kinda bad? It implies that we were just way off on D1 so the wagonomics don’t mean much, or that JALMONT is scum and they just decided to hard invest into pulsar fwr. Maybe that does make the later moves onto pulsar look a bit bad, but it just doesn’t feel like it to my gut.

Hydro, JALMONT and Shane are all players I’ve suspected throughout the game but with pulsar being town I don’t see what they get out of planting on me. I guess it gives them capital to keep pushing me on D2, which is exactly what they did, but I do also find JALMONT being a miller compelling rn
 
HydrogenHydreigon I'm sorry if I'm being harsh on you, the thing is I don't really relate to the whole townreading too many people; if anything I'm scumreading too many people and its making me paranoid.
You did lay into bro a bit lol, when I saw that and knew you were gonna reply to me next I was like :psywoke:

But I also agree with your Hydro case a lot so
 
HydrogenHydreigon I'm sorry if I'm being harsh on you, the thing is I don't really relate to the whole townreading too many people; if anything I'm scumreading too many people and its making me paranoid.
nah dw lol you read like a disappointed/irked parent

neon i think his just in his town meta
joey i think last night's modconfirm thingy thing feels more useful to the townthan mafia? i guess you coud argue it tells maf there are town inves roles but im not rly feeling it unless future those things make him look bad
i think the things jalmonts done is reasonable from his claimed perspective as a town conditional vig
celever i think greatly improved around d2 and honestly the way they are on about me kinda makes me tr him more cuz it's giving different vibes from past scenario of him pressure, most of which he was scum iirc
flandrs is bold enough i think he is likely town tho as i said my gut hates him and his eod2 was kinda.. but also is maf ever that bold at eod

fairy may just be her collected personality but i think her actively butting heads with ppl several times is kinda townie, i will say both her eods are her moving onto the final town wagon against my flashwagon which is pretty ehhhhhhhhhhh but i thought jalmont/tommy's points about her were somewhat reasonable
i understand the perspective alice is newbie doing her best but i still do not see it as much ig
you/shane/arguably laurel or m2h are ppl i dont necessarily scumread but i dont feel like i have as strong reasons to tr yall
 
Tbh I read it as people wanted to vote pulsar instead of you as a counterwagon after Jalmont claimed. I do think that D1 in general was stagnant until Jalmont claimed and there was a scramble; if you think the people who moved to pulsar are town, who do you think were mafia on you other than HH? or rather who make sense as HH's partners?

I suppose what you say about D1 makes sense though. I'd have to read it again because its a wagon with...clouds/shane/m2h/hh? hm. Who is HH's buddy who is on you iyo at that point in time?

I think for me the doc claim is like. Flanders? Really? Like if mafia want a low info kill they shoot neon here over flanders, or even like, joey lol. That's the think that I'm not buying, like yeah sure I can see someone forgetting to reveal targets in the rush. But Flanders N1?????

The other thing that I wanted to address is like. The D2 vote. Before I went to bed I was like "I'm ok parking my vote on either af or hh" and you said you were cool with either lynch. And yeah it was mb to move off of hh after you hopped on, but I didn't see anyone else enthusiastic about voting hh and I was told to hop on to af by m2h. So here's the thing. Why did you think that genisu was a better lynch than af, and if not, why didn't you push af for a lynch here? You even made a post where you said that the thread mass scumreading her while not voting her was a scumtell, but you didn't think that it was a strong enough reason to pursue a lynch on her? This is the other thing that bothers me.
M2H being the one to flip from me to pulsar prob feels notable on the backlog if that is what happened (maybe you thought JALMONT was her tho). I think there’s a world where M2H and I should be a really soft 1v1 anyway, but there’s also a world where we’re linked as prob T/T (that being that genisu was a JOAT who was backing up both my abil and M2H’s, and it’s kinda weird for one of those to be on scum with the other on town when the JOAT was town).

No one ever kills Neon early except me lol. I’m literally the only person to shoot Neon in history before like, MYLO territory. Now that you said it I’m realising maybe I shouldn’t have put that much stock into it because we have a few newer-to-Smogon or comeback from hiatus players on reflection, but that’s why I didn’t doc Neon. I agree he’s a good kill N1, I just thought it was an unlikely one.

Joey is an interesting one, idrk. I think I was still considering him LHF at the time if he is town, so I thought he was unlikely to get shot. That’s also why I didn’t doc Alice who I thought about doing, because I didn’t really believe that scum would shoot her N1 if they thought they could reasonably push her.

Flandrs was the Venn diagram on “outside of the towncore / debate club so doesn’t reduce that PoE, but also is hard to actually push a vote through on”. Flandrs’ D2 was worse than his D1, at EoD1 most people townread him. I really did think about it and the conclusion makes sense, I still think.

As far as the a fairy stuff is concerned… you’re right. I did drop the ball on that because I entered self-pres mode, straight up. My WIM isn’t all there because I’ve been trying to be voted out repeatedly as the doc, so I kinda just didn’t push the roguer wagon there. Hydro didn’t field her as an option for turbo and he’s the mayor so he can control those narratives a bit, but it’s not a great excuse.

I think a fairy is still a valid wagon today, and I agree with past-me that the amount of inaction towards her is a scumtell, even if I contributed to it myself a bit there.
 
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