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If these rumors from Melkor turn out to be true it will be interesting to see the distribution of these new pokes around Isshu.

I somewhat expected Meguroko and Shikijika to be found early in-game and there's been no sign of them yet. It certainly gives me hope for how powerful Meguroko's final evo should be and I'm dying for a description.

I'm also kind of surprised we haven't started getting any official leaks yet (CoroCoro or otherwise). I'm thrilled for Pokexperto's leaks because they appear to be extremely viable. This is A LOT of effort and it is either accurate or the greatest trolling of all time. I think Serebii and Pokebeach's unwillingness to comment further gives credit to the leaks because while they don't have the info to confirm them, they cannot immediately discredit them. In the past, Serebii has been pretty quick to quell blatant BS.

Now I keep refreshing the twitter page waiting for any info on Meguroko, Desukan, Denchura, Ononokusu and Basurao. Just barely hanging on!
Im on the same boat bro!

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This is based on him getting Trick, and based on SR staying the same next generation. But even if we acknowledge that... why use it over Clefable?
Going by what we have, Clefable has roughly the same stats except more defense, a confirmed recovery move, and in fact a movepool Rank is very unlikely to match.

So it gets to resist fighting instead... but at the cost of getting U Turned into oblivion. Plus, with that terrible defense, I doubt that fighting resist will prove too handy.

That said, if you're gonna argue about U Turn and Pursuit next, remember that good moves carry over. One of the very very few examples of a move considered good one gen and not so the next is Psychic, and that's because of the type getting nerfed as hell as whole. In other words, I heartily doubt U Turn and Pursuit won't be just as useful next metagame, as TWave, recoveries, protect, etc always have.

It did, but it didn't completely flip it upside down. Good Pokemon that are weak to SR didn't suddenly lose favor completely. Gyarados is still like, the 4th most used?
As for the special/physical split, aside from the fact that gen4 won't have something as radical as that, what it really did was give more moves to Pokemon, but you'd be hard-pressed to find something that shot up from NU or UU to OU because of it.
Most remained unaffected [any physical Pokemon ever], or found substitutes [Alakazam].

Gen4 change the mechanics a lot, but in the end good Pokemon from gen 3 mostly remained good Pokemon.
It gave some niche availability to others, but again, I don't see what on earth could make this thing suddenly viable.

That said, I'll admit that it can't be disproven, it's just very very unlikely. So I suggest we just drop it, place a bet on it and shove it in the other person's face when the metagame stabilizes.

Not SR, but Tentacruel would probably not be OU without Toxic Spikes, but for a small niche in countering Infernape in stall.

+ An auto Trick-Roomer, Gravitier, or hold items that extend the duration of these, like Smooth/Damp/Heat Rock.
 
I'm also kind of surprised we haven't started getting any official leaks yet (CoroCoro or otherwise).

Apparently, the one guy responsible for the earliest leaks (usually on the 10th and kinda often on the 9th) "retired" a while ago. Nowadays we should start expecting for Corocoro scans on the 12th, the earliest being the 11th.


...By the way, has Melkor said Rankurusu's and Gochiruzeru's Dex numbers already?
 
Apparently, the one guy responsible for the earliest leaks (usually on the 10th and kinda often on the 9th) "retired" a while ago. Nowadays we should start expecting for Corocoro scans on the 12th, the earliest being the 11th.


...By the way, has Melkor said Rankurusu's and Gochiruzeru's Dex numbers already?

Nope, no numbers for them yet.
 
Every gen redistributes the reign of power among the types, and while yes it is true that every gen Psychic has taken a beating, there's no reason to think that they might be boosted in some way this gen.

RBY?

Also, Poison is a decent type actually. Sure, it's bad offensively but quite decent defensively.
 
Can we stop talking metagame for now? It's not really that relevant now as the games hasn't been released yet.

Anyways, DFang, that Melkor guy has already mentioned Shimama and it's evolution. It's at 52o something if I remember it all correctly.
I myself don't believe a thing until I get confirmed info with solid evidence of it.

If, IF, this Melkor guy is telling us the truth, then Chillarmy should be 571 (if Victini is in the end of the National Pokédex) or 572 (if Victini is 494 as Melkor says and if it's true). Let's see where it ends up to be.
 
According to the magazine that's slowly leaking that was released recently, Tsutarja and its evos represents Europe, Pokabu and its evos represents China, and Mijumaru and its evos represents Japan. Also Isshu (at least Huin City) = New York.
 
Can we stop talking metagame for now? It's not really that relevant now as the games hasn't been released yet.

Anyways, DFang, that Melkor guy has already mentioned Shimama and it's evolution. It's at 52o something if I remember it all correctly.
I myself don't believe a thing until I get confirmed info with solid evidence of it.

If, IF, this Melkor guy is telling us the truth, then Chillarmy should be 571 (if Victini is in the end of the National Pokédex) or 572 (if Victini is 494 as Melkor says and if it's true). Let's see where it ends up to be.

Thanks, but I referenced Shikijika, not Shimama!
 
RBY?

Also, Poison is a decent type actually. Sure, it's bad offensively but quite decent defensively.

In RBY it had nothing resisting it but itself. But since then, it got nerfed beginning with adding Steel/Dark in GSC.

Poison has 4 resistances and 2 weaks(one being way too common. Plus, it´s main point, Toxic is learned by almost everything and besides Weezing and possibly Drapion there are no defensively strong Poison types. Altough it would be cool to see another defensive Poison type that is not destroyed by Scizor(like Weezing is).

As for the Rankurusu not being Lv50 on this status screen: I think that was revealed together with a screen of a Lv50 Rankurusu battling a Lv50 Gochiruzeru. Not entirely sure about that tough.
 
According to the magazine that's slowly leaking that was released recently, Tsutarja and its evos represents Europe, Pokabu and its evos represents China, and Mijumaru and its evos represents Japan. Also Isshu (at least Huin City) = New York.

o_O What is that supposed to mean? I hope this means Miju3 is actually a samurai, and not a otter / narwhal fusion (THOUGH we definitely need a Narwhal pokemon, because Narwhal's are fucking cool). While I'm on the topic of aquatic animals becoming pokemon, where is my Squid pokemon?

But yeah, I don't understand how Tsutarja or Pokabu represent Europe or China.
 
According to the magazine that's slowly leaking that was released recently, Tsutarja and its evos represents Europe, Pokabu and its evos represents China, and Mijumaru and its evos represents Japan. Also Isshu (at least Huin City) = New York.

IIRC, that magazine (Pokémon Pia, I guess) is only recognized by The Pokémon Company; it's an independent magazine, not official by any means.


So no, we have no confirmation of Isshu really being New York.


I don't understand how Tsutarja represents Europe

DRAGONS
 
IIRC, that magazine (Pokémon Pia, I guess) is only recognized by The Pokémon Company; it's an independent magazine, not official by any means.


So no, we have no confirmation of Isshu really being New York.




DRAGONS

Yeah, I should have been more clear. Sorry. I was just in a bit of a rush, trying to get ready for class and stuff.

Reading forums makes me late for class.
 
IIRC, that magazine (Pokémon Pia, I guess) is only recognized by The Pokémon Company; it's an independent magazine, not official by any means.


So no, we have no confirmation of Isshu really being New York.

I'll take thier word over Melkors simply due to relying on accuracy of statements since its a magazine and not a webpage that get money by 'hits'.

I can kinda see what they are saying about Tsutaja and Mijumaru representing (inspired by) Europe and Japan respectively.

Tsutaja definately has the makings of being aristocratic, and this has been capitalized by the community as well as commercials (Top hat and cane in musical). I don't know how a third more snake like evolution would follow or expand upon the idea though.

Mijumaru is easily a samuria. Its stage one's shell placement makes me think of an armored midrift that an inexperienced farmer or villager would have. Its second stage is clearly getting a more defined samurai look with the shells moving into the 'pants' and his pose. And for a third stage I expect a seashell encrusted Otter Samurai. Hehe, what if his 'sword' is a spike of a Cloyster ^_^?

Pokabu being inspired by China is a bit hard for me to see. I guess it goes with the Zodiac on one hand, but their is very little ability to anthropomorphize a four legged creature. This could mean that he does come up on two legs at some point, which considering all prior fire evos, makes sense. It definately contradicts the 'greek potery' or 'sumo wrestler' style that Melkor would have us believe.

As for Hunin City being modled by NYC, it makes sense. The architecture is decidedly Modern which you don't see often in newer cities (Post Modern in most Asian Cities).
 
I'm not sure if this was pointed out, but that one really old picture with pokabu3 fighting the clown nosed fighting type thing on the ds has his back sprite only his upper half. I thought in BW the backsprite was the back view of the entire pokemon's body.

I don't know what the status on that pic is, other than the names are fake, but somewhere I read they claimed the sprites are real.
 
I'm not sure if this was pointed out, but that one really old picture with pokabu3 fighting the clown nosed fighting type thing on the ds has his back sprite only his upper half. I thought in BW the backsprite was the back view of the entire pokemon's body.

I don't know what the status on that pic is, other than the names are fake, but somewhere I read they claimed the sprites are real.

Hence my lack of belief.

They tried to go the route of "I got an advanced copy," only to have it fail due to obvious reasons. So then imediately after they claim that they have a sheet that has all the pokes, names, and types.... in sprite form. (Wouldn't N of Mexico/Spain/W.E. try to get translations based on more accurate official artwork?)

If thats not fishy... do I have to slap you people with a Goldeen?

But in this drought of info so close to release anyone is willing to believe anything. We're in a sort of withdrawl induced inebriation. Combine this with the new sites being coy about whats authentic and why and you get an HG Wells Radio Broadcast of War of the Worlds style pandemonium... pokemonified.


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Melkor works in a OFFICIAL Nintendo magazine...Melkor works in a OFFICIAL Nintendo magazine...

And he's posting everything on a website? Hrm... Sounds like if it were true... he'd lose his job.

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How is a snake a dragon!? By going the route that the 'animal' represents the region your narrowing what they could be meaning. No otter is inately Japanese, only when you make him a samurai does he become japanese.

So a snake becomes European when he becomes an aristocrat. (insert dirty joke)
 
Psikid at Serebiiforums said:
These excerpts from Pokémon Pia just surfaced on 2ch. I'll translate from as far as I can actually read, since some of the scan gets cut off. Fortunately, the excerpt begins with a rather salient point.

Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time.
Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, "Wouldn't a sea otter be good for the Water starter?" But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance.
Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact.
Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutaaja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, "Let's make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design." Someone even asked, "Can't you make Mijumaru into a samurai?" [laughs]
Everyone: [laughs]
Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion's power. "Well, let's try blending a sea otter and a sea lion," I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that's how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution."

If this means that we get to see bipedal sea lion samurai, I take back every negative comment I ever made about Mijumaru's final evolution. Awesome. :D

Also, the interviewer asks if the design team often takes trips to get ideas, and Sugimori mentions that the team went to Tama Doubutsuen, a famous zoo on the outskirts of Tokyo, at the start of development. The rest gets cut off.

Well.
 
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