PEAKED #6, 2001 ELO - WISH KILLER'S UGLY COUSIN: MAKE A WISH KILLER!? VENUSAUR + KINGAMBIT STALL
This team was built by myself with the help of former HO webs spammer but recent Stall Convert Duckular (tourbanned) making his long awaited return to Pokemon Showdown (beta)! After the teams creation, it was pointed out to me that there were some similarities between my team and the famous Wish Killer team from many moons ago.
Because of Duckular's unfortunate past with Keldeo, we decided to remove him from the team.
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Proof of Peak
Introduction
The premiere special wall on stall. Use this to boost up alongside threatening set up mons such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, Gholdengo, Darkrai. Nothing new here, tera Dark for Psyshock and Stored Power users, as well as allowing for heals on Psychic Noise users.
Your slow pivot + Wish Passer, Alomomola is able to soak up physical hits from just about anything and flip turn out to an appropriate check. Alluring Voice is ran to help punish Roaring Moon a bit better, or perhaps SD Ogerpon in a pinch. Tera Flying is to allow Mola to become another Knock Off absorber in longer fat mirrors as well as 1v1ing Zamazenta.
Specially Defensive Gliscor is extremely versatile - it can live an Ivy Cudgel from full from Ogerpon-Wellspring with 36 defense EVs, and the spD invest allows to easily tanks Booster Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse even at +1, allowing you to get a Toxic off and have a much easier time walling with Blissey without having to worry about hax. Gliscor sets up Spikes and Knocks Off everybody's boots, and spreads Toxic. Gliscor even owns max spA Tera Ghost Hexpult as long as you are above 70% HP. I ran 20 speed IVs to underspeed U-Turn Gliscors which generally hit 219. 20 IVs hits 215, which is just a random number I chose in case some U-Turn Gliscors decide to go even lower. This allows you to get the slow Knock Off on any momentum seeking Gliscor.
Normally as a Stall spammer and builder I would've just slapped Dondozo in this slot and called it a day, but I was lazy and wanted a different Physical Wall so I went with Skarm. Somehow it worked out. Skarm gets up Rocks, walls Gambit and Moon, punishes Tusk spin and any U-Turns with Rocky Helmet chip.
Kingambit is on the team to make opponent drop their guard, as they see the lineup and just expect this to be a fat hazard stacking offense with Gambit to clean up at the end. Wrong. This guy is here to absorb Future Sights, stall you out of your moves, and spread poison to everybody with Poison Jab. Tera Ghost for spinblocking or to attempt to poison Zamazenta, Thief to allow Kingambit to be a pseudo Knock-Off user in longer fat mirror matches as Gambit may have to eat a Knock Off if Scor and Skarm are low. Generally you should not Terastallize Kingambit until it's Dark+Steel Typing is no longer needed.
Venusaur has never existed on stall this generation as far as I am aware. Vileplume has existed before, using its access to many healing moves (Giga Drain, Moonlight, Synthesis, Strength Sap etc) and Effect Spore to punish contact moves. Venusaur has noticeably better bulk at 80/83/100 compared to Vileplumes 75/85/90. Venusaur does not get access to any other special healing moves that Vileplume gets-however, Venusaur learns Knock Off, an absolute boon for making progress with a hazard heavy team such as this. Worry Seed is another fun tech, which allows you to get rid of annoying abilities such as Poison Heal on Gliscor, Regenerator on Slowking-G, Purifying Salt on Garganacl (who can then be Toxic'd!) or Magic Guard on Clefable. A hilarious interaction is Slowking-G coming in on a Venusaur Knock Off and losing it's boots, then Venusaur clicking Worry Seed before Gking Chilly Receptions out. Now the Gking has to come in and leave again to get any regen heal. Worry seed also is basically your only avenue to defeating Dondozo on this team, but it is a good one! Insomnia prevents Dondozo from clicking rest, so while Venusaur is in vs Dozo you will always 1v1 with Toxic.
Grass poison is a pretty good defensive typing, allowing you to switch in on Ogerpon-Wellspring's moves and Toxic it back. The natural bulk that Venusaur gets allows it to be a good swiss-army knife for Stall, and you can decide game-by game what kind of role you want it to play. On this team I chose max defense Bold nature to be able to usually live 2 Headlong Rushes from Great Tusk (though it can still kill sometimes).
Threats
Acknowledgements
Thank you to Duckular and Espathra Dreaming for helping build and laddering a couple games with this team. For anyone interested in learning more about Stall or joining a fun Pokemon Community, join the Official Stall Discord: https://discord.gg/Z5BjuRpk. Feel free to ask any questions about the team there, or in the thread following this!
UPDATE: Big Stall Supreme Overlord SupaGmoney has come up with a brilliant new name for the team
This team was built by myself with the help of former HO webs spammer but recent Stall Convert Duckular (tourbanned) making his long awaited return to Pokemon Showdown (beta)! After the teams creation, it was pointed out to me that there were some similarities between my team and the famous Wish Killer team from many moons ago.
Because of Duckular's unfortunate past with Keldeo, we decided to remove him from the team.
POKEPASTE HERE:
- - - - - Proof of Peak
Introduction
Duckular asked if Venusaur could do something on stall. I threw 5 random mons with it and it immediately worked with hardly any changes needed. Loaded this team at 1900 and immediately went 12-3 en route to 2k+.
The premiere special wall on stall. Use this to boost up alongside threatening set up mons such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, Gholdengo, Darkrai. Nothing new here, tera Dark for Psyshock and Stored Power users, as well as allowing for heals on Psychic Noise users.
Your slow pivot + Wish Passer, Alomomola is able to soak up physical hits from just about anything and flip turn out to an appropriate check. Alluring Voice is ran to help punish Roaring Moon a bit better, or perhaps SD Ogerpon in a pinch. Tera Flying is to allow Mola to become another Knock Off absorber in longer fat mirrors as well as 1v1ing Zamazenta.
Specially Defensive Gliscor is extremely versatile - it can live an Ivy Cudgel from full from Ogerpon-Wellspring with 36 defense EVs, and the spD invest allows to easily tanks Booster Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse even at +1, allowing you to get a Toxic off and have a much easier time walling with Blissey without having to worry about hax. Gliscor sets up Spikes and Knocks Off everybody's boots, and spreads Toxic. Gliscor even owns max spA Tera Ghost Hexpult as long as you are above 70% HP. I ran 20 speed IVs to underspeed U-Turn Gliscors which generally hit 219. 20 IVs hits 215, which is just a random number I chose in case some U-Turn Gliscors decide to go even lower. This allows you to get the slow Knock Off on any momentum seeking Gliscor.
Normally as a Stall spammer and builder I would've just slapped Dondozo in this slot and called it a day, but I was lazy and wanted a different Physical Wall so I went with Skarm. Somehow it worked out. Skarm gets up Rocks, walls Gambit and Moon, punishes Tusk spin and any U-Turns with Rocky Helmet chip.
Kingambit is on the team to make opponent drop their guard, as they see the lineup and just expect this to be a fat hazard stacking offense with Gambit to clean up at the end. Wrong. This guy is here to absorb Future Sights, stall you out of your moves, and spread poison to everybody with Poison Jab. Tera Ghost for spinblocking or to attempt to poison Zamazenta, Thief to allow Kingambit to be a pseudo Knock-Off user in longer fat mirror matches as Gambit may have to eat a Knock Off if Scor and Skarm are low. Generally you should not Terastallize Kingambit until it's Dark+Steel Typing is no longer needed.
Venusaur has never existed on stall this generation as far as I am aware. Vileplume has existed before, using its access to many healing moves (Giga Drain, Moonlight, Synthesis, Strength Sap etc) and Effect Spore to punish contact moves. Venusaur has noticeably better bulk at 80/83/100 compared to Vileplumes 75/85/90. Venusaur does not get access to any other special healing moves that Vileplume gets-however, Venusaur learns Knock Off, an absolute boon for making progress with a hazard heavy team such as this. Worry Seed is another fun tech, which allows you to get rid of annoying abilities such as Poison Heal on Gliscor, Regenerator on Slowking-G, Purifying Salt on Garganacl (who can then be Toxic'd!) or Magic Guard on Clefable. A hilarious interaction is Slowking-G coming in on a Venusaur Knock Off and losing it's boots, then Venusaur clicking Worry Seed before Gking Chilly Receptions out. Now the Gking has to come in and leave again to get any regen heal. Worry seed also is basically your only avenue to defeating Dondozo on this team, but it is a good one! Insomnia prevents Dondozo from clicking rest, so while Venusaur is in vs Dozo you will always 1v1 with Toxic.
Grass poison is a pretty good defensive typing, allowing you to switch in on Ogerpon-Wellspring's moves and Toxic it back. The natural bulk that Venusaur gets allows it to be a good swiss-army knife for Stall, and you can decide game-by game what kind of role you want it to play. On this team I chose max defense Bold nature to be able to usually live 2 Headlong Rushes from Great Tusk (though it can still kill sometimes).
Threats
As a stall team, this team is going to still have many of the same weaknesses as previous Stall teams or fat builds. Notably things like Taunt Roaring Moon or a well played U-Turn Ogerpon-Wellspring paired with max hazards can be a big threat as this team has no hazard removal. Physical set up mons can be scary as there is no Dondozo on this team, so you have to be proactive and get your checks in early so that you can boost along side them or poison them before the threat gets out of hand. There are 3 protect users on this team so once an opposing mon gets statused you can stall it out fairly easily. Nasty Plot Gholdengo is of course a threat as always, will almost always force a Tera on Blissey.
Acknowledgements
Thank you to Duckular and Espathra Dreaming for helping build and laddering a couple games with this team. For anyone interested in learning more about Stall or joining a fun Pokemon Community, join the Official Stall Discord: https://discord.gg/Z5BjuRpk. Feel free to ask any questions about the team there, or in the thread following this!
UPDATE: Big Stall Supreme Overlord SupaGmoney has come up with a brilliant new name for the team
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