FF ferrothorn and goodra are things that neither sheer force or tinted lens can beat. ff ferrothorn is something that adaptability can beat while tinted can't. And I don't think getting past the biggest counter to every special attacker is a small achievement. Most stuff that tinted can kill, adapt can kill too. There are a few exceptions, but then again, there are things that adapt can deal with while tinted has trouble dealing with if it doesn't get a drop like escavalier, umbreon, meloetta, snorlax (tinted doesn't even get a guaranteed ohko on ttar). Meanwhile sheer force can... idk, apparantly it can "tackle" goodra or levitran?...
Fat dragons and ff ground types are a big portion of victini counters. Tc can't really deal with chomper or zygarde. Can't really touch ff landoT or gliscor either and doesn't have a lot of options to hit other stuff like diancie or primaSea magnezone. Has to sacrifice precious coverage if it wants to hit ff chesnaught and can almost never touch slowbro. At least slap grass knot on the banded set since you can somewhat damage most far rock types. (Also, mixTini can 2hko ferrothorn on focus blast).
Ok, that's more like your opinion than a fact and having used both extensively I honestly feel like offensive is better, having more immediate presence and being able to muscle past a lot of its switchins. But really they're both separate sets and I don't really know why you can't just put them both in the analisys (kinda like scizor has offensive sd and defensive sd).
That messages seems kinda messy, but I'm tired so eh.
fair enough , skymin cant really break ferrothorn (not even with adapt) tinted comes closer to handling it, but standard AV goodra (not max spc def calm) loses to life orb tinted lens shaymin, and can handle adapt shaymin, while tinted can consistantly just spam seed flare on these threats(on the event of misspredicts or something), where adapt forces it to use a "neutral hit" and gives it less opportunities. i was mostly talking about tinted when talking about levitran and goodra. sheer force was the main set, so i just kinda stuck with it. if you want powerful attacks, sheer force is better, if you want to spam seed flare, tinted lens works better. adapt on paper turns it into a monsterous attacker, but in reality, it cant even spam seed flare due to how many resists exist in this tier, and even with adapt, it lacks the power to set up KO's with its coverage. adapt just doesn't deserve a mention. the problem is, even with the attack boosts, you still fail to beat threats the others can, at the benifit of picking off chansey, which tinted lens and serene grace still have a chance to do so themselves.
idk, bandtini might have problems with the dragons, but thats why sheer force runs glaciate is it not? i guess deso mixed tini could be a decent "compromise" of the two sets, but i still feel like the dragons arent really worth running some hybrid set of "v-create, glaciate, bolt strike, and something else, because enless you run max spc attack, you fail to take out the mentioned dragons anyways. and if you run max spc attack, suddenly suicune, ff doublade, and others suddenly wall you. i just dont see where mixtinis "niche" comes in...slashing grass knot was something i was considering mentioning, but i kinda decided not to mention. since yeah, other then diancie, its pretty good. i was only thinking ttar and hippo, and was like "well ttar can pursuit trap tini, and hippo still dies to v-create...so idk" i figured it wasn't really worth running.
also... 252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 207-243 (49.2 - 57.8%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery, it can handle non PH zygarde, and deso 2hkos PH zyggy. and iirc, even with the speed drop, it still outspeeds. yeah, this kinda shocked me.. i didnt think it was that good (zyggy is like...the bulkiest dragon resist)
and lastly, did you not notice "i wasnt around for this QC" my opinion didnt sway the end result, and the reason i say so, is because from what ive seen from using all variants of lax, snorlax REALLY struggles without all of its bulk, but again, i never DID this QC so i couldnt have mentioned it. and lastly, saying "max attack is better" is also your opinion. and idk if you have, but ive used both extensively, and cringed at lax's lack of bulk
