Is there any feasible way to run Will-O-Wisp on Mega Gallade? Or Spikes on Diggersby? I really want to run these sets but they don't work all that well in practice
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No to wisp mega gallade, but Spikes Diggersby is /ok/ but not the worst thing ever.
Will-O-Wisp on Mega Gallade isn't really worth running, as it really needs Knock Off/Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, CC and SD/Sub to do its job properly. As for Spikes Diggersby though (sorry, couldn't resist), I recall Jukain posting a set that he used a while in the Creative Sets Thread:
Diggersby @ Focus Sash
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Spikes
- Frustration
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack
"Spikes Diggersby is generally seen as a pretty nooby sort of thing, but it's actually surprisingly effective. Forcing numerous switches, Diggersby gets numerous opportunities to set up Spikes, and has the flexibility of the sash to get an extra layer at any point, and survive, or get a guaranteed hit if needed."
Yeah I was thinking it would be sashed. I also thought U-Turn would be a good option to keep momentum instead of Return. It would pair well with Starmie with Rapid Spin support.
As for Will-O-Wisp Mega Gallade, I had low hopes for it. I tried using it back when Mega Salamence was still around and I was trying out random sets. Only time it was useful was to block a Bisharp's Sucker Punch and it actually won me the game. Super situational.
Is it possible to have a viable OU team without using Megas or Legendaries? Just asking because I'm interested in learning competitive battling and would like an interesting challenge and because I love going against the current.
It's technically possible, but it'll be very difficult due to those of course generally being some of the best Pokémon in the game. I've seen teams without a Mega and teams without a Legendary, but it's not easy to pull off both. If you're just starting out I would recommend using a legendary or mega, and then when you're more skilled try this out.
It's definitely possible.
Here's the viability thread without Megas and Legends:
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Azumarill
Bisharp
Clefable
Gengar
Talonflame
A Rank
Excadrill
Ferrothorn
Garchomp
Magnezone
Rotom-W
Slowbro
Tyranitar
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Diggersby
Gliscor
Gyarados
Hippowdon
Klefki
Mamoswine
Politoed
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Amoonguss
Breloom
Chansey
Chesnaught
Dragonite
Hawlucha
Kabutops
Kingdra
Skarmory
Starmie
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Conkeldurr
Crawdaunt
Gothitelle
Mandibuzz
Omastar
Quagsire
Rhyperior
Togekiss
Weavile
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Alomomola
Empoleon
Hydreigon
Lucario
Magneton
Scizor
Scolipede
Sylveon
Tangrowth
Tentacruel
Toxicroak
Volcarona
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Bronzong
Dragalge
Doublade
Gastrodon
Heracross
Serperior
Staraptor
Wobbufett
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Dugtrio
Goodra
Gourgeist-XL
Infernape
Mienshao
Porygon2
Sableye
Seismitoad
Slowking
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Alakazam
Blissey
Cofagrigus
Espeon
Haxorus
Lanturn
Ludicolo
Noivern
Pangoro
Rotom-H
Smeargle
Shuckle
Whimsicott
Zygarde
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Chandelure
Cloyster
Ditto
Exploud
Flygon
Froslass
Gorebyss
Reuniclus
Salamence
Venomoth
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B+ Rank
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Dragalge
Serperior
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Pangoro
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Flygon
Reuniclus
There's definitely enough Pokemon viable in OU for you to make a team without megas or legends. Rain seems especially promising, because Toed/Star/Kingdra/Tops/Toad/Zone/etc are all legal.
What would be the ''best'' set for regular mawile? I know it is unviable in OU, but what set could at least put in a tiny bit of work in the tier?
I'm not actually suggesting you use it, but Mawile does have access to BP, Taunt and Swords Dance and Iron Defense. That being said, Mew can run an almost identical same set with better overall bulk and a much better speed tier. In BW Mawile was NU with no sets that were even RU viable, and I don't really see that changing.
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Wasn't sure if you saw the original edit, but here are the usage stats for December: http://www.smogon.com/stats/2014-12/
I know that, i am not looking to use it competitively, its just meant for fun games w/ friends where use OU rules but often use pokemon we like.
Where do you find the usage stats for the moves used on each pokemon and such? This only lists the Pokémon themselves as far as I can see.
I'm pretty sure this is the most recent version of what you're looking for http://www.smogon.com/stats/2014-12/moveset/ou-1825.txt
So long as you have been warned. This is an old BW Baton Pass set. It's a fairly straightforward set:
Mawile @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Defense / Swords Dance
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Taunt
If you wanted to use an offensive set, you could probably use Mega Mawile's SD set. The SubPunch set may lack the necessary power without Swords Dance to back up the moves.
I'm just curious to know the teambuilding strategies of people who build HO teams. Like what do you take into account when building? What Pokemon do you guys use for the various roles? A sample team (maybe not even a team but Pokemon that could be used for a role) would be nice. Just wanting to know how to make a successful team that isn't somebody else's :]
Thanks that helps hehe
I personally wouldn't make a sunny day team, since its main members, Fire-types and Grass-types, are either super weak to SR or super weak to FlySpam, or even both. It's just harder to come up with a team that can fight in the current metagame than it is for Rain or Sand.
However, if you insist, there are a couple options. Whimsicott is nice for HO teams, thanks to its having Prankster Memento and Taunt, and it can easily fit in prankster Sunny Day. Mew could work, since it isn't weak to SR, has good defenses, and has the ability to set and/or remove SR. Infernape could use it, SR, and Taunt together to make a potentially okay lead. Azelf can use its Rain Dance set with Sunny Day instead as a nice lead. It even powers up its Fire Blast!
Anyway, good luck!
To add to the above list, Clefable can learn Sunny Day and has access to both recovery and SR. Diancie can also learn Sunny Day and SR, but it lacks recovery.
Go to the first set of lists in the link provided, then go to "movesets" and then select the tier of choice from there.
Choice Scarf Victini is a pretty good answer. Outspeeds, hits like a truck, and resists everything but the rare Earthquake.
Do you need it for Hyper Offense? If so your options for countering it are limited. There's Victini, which can switch in on anything, but can't handle any set with EQ, and is outsped at +2. Mega Scizor can switch in, but if you're using the most common (3 Attacks + SD) set, you can't recover, and you can't do impressive damage to it immediately. Mega Gyarados is nice, since in its normal form it can intimidate meta, soak up a zen headbutt, and boost until it can KO meta (after mega evolving into mega dos) with crunch. Scarf Landorus-T and Manectric both outspeed, KO, and intimidate, but they can be worn down easily, and the former falls to the rare ice punch + agility combo.
Btw, if you're using BO, there are many more options (that I won't list because I expect you're not).
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